The Peasants Revolt

myata · February 13, 2022

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

So get lost,

so that they could start on fixing:

median income; housing prices; homelessness and child poverty; inflation; growing income gap; fuel prices; permanent healthcare crisis; skyrocketing tuition; drinking water on reserves; shrinking market of stable high-paying jobs other than in inept and incompetent public management; and so on

Look how much hasn't been done already. It's only because of you!

DogOnPorch · February 13, 2022

5 hours ago, West said:

You'd think since we are the world's first post nation state Trudeau should welcome the truckers taking foreign donations

You can bet that all the donations over the years to & from BLM and Antifa types faced no such hindrance.

Take that knee for burning down the Walgreens, JT.

Edited February 13, 2022 by DogOnPorch

Zeitgeist · February 13, 2022

Yeah we’ve moved into a new phase of world history where almost the entire spectrum of political parties has become out of touch with the actual workers who do essential work. There’s a supposedly “liberal” orthodoxy of ideas that people are supposed to agree with, but debate is considered radical and triggering. The people on top don’t see the log in their own eye on so many issues, especially free speech, but now it appears that most of our constitutional rights are also too “radical” to be honoured by our government, which knows better than Canadians what is good for them.

Of course many members of our “Liberal” government are sanctimonious hypocrites. How many black people do they actually hang out with? When was the last time any of them chatted with farmers, truckers, or blue collar workers? I wonder who’s more exclusive, these politicians at their cottages or the truckers sitting around a fire pit? Who would be more welcoming?

I, and I think most people consider themselves liberal in the classic sense of lessez faire, live and let live, “you do you” and “who am I to judge?” Our current Liberal Party in Canada has become more like a closed-minded left-wing Politburo. The NDP is much this way too. They make superficial judgements about the working people they’re supposed to represent and don’t really want to spend time among them. After all, these MPs are doing quite well financially and have had a pretty smooth ride under pandemic restrictions. Why wouldn’t people want to think exactly as they do?

Our government has creeped into totalitarianism because our constitutional freedoms have been removed in the name of what they continue to define as an emergency, as other governments drop mandates and restrictions. We’re told to be patient, yet people have lost their livelihoods and continue to suffer under mandates that now clearly appear arbitrary. If there isn’t a clear and powerful reason to suspend our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, don’t suspend them. This entire protest can be ended with the stroke of a pen ending an executive order.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist

ironstone · February 13, 2022

18 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Unfortunately most people don't appreciate what they have until they lose it. He wants to leave Canada for US where crime is rampant, drug addictions, muggings, homelessness, poverty, slum areas dominating while top 10% own 90% of wealth.

Canada is the country where millions of people from all over the world are lining up to come in and live, so if someone wishes to give up the God given privilege of living here then go ahead.

What you said is partly true. The rampant crime, drug addictions, muggings, homelessness, poverty, slum areas you speak of are primarily in Democratic run cities.

Democrats Run America's Top 20 Crime-Ridden Cities - Tennessee Star

America’s 25 Worst Cities are Democrat-Led – The Answer, New Leaders - AMAC - The Association of Mature American Citizens

There is also a shift going on within the US, people leaving certain states in droves for greener pastures.

America’s Mass Migration Intensifies As ‘Leftugees’ Flee Blue States And Counties For Red (forbes.com)

Most sane people want freedom. Left leaning governments by their very nature want to keep pushing the nanny state and gain more and more control over our lives.

Aristides · February 13, 2022

8 hours ago, myata said:

so that they could start on fixing:

median income; housing prices; homelessness and child poverty; inflation; growing income gap; fuel prices; permanent healthcare crisis; skyrocketing tuition; drinking water on reserves; shrinking market of stable high-paying jobs other than in inept and incompetent public management; and so on

Look how much hasn't been done already. It's only because of you!

And you think destroying the economy is somehow going to make that possible? How about some constructive suggestions instead of of the constant bitching.

Aristides · February 13, 2022

Watching an interview of one of the mob at the Pacific crossing this morning. One idiot complaining that his kids can't go to a restaurant because they are too young to be vaccinated. How do you deal with that level of ignorance?

Nexii · February 13, 2022

The thing is I don't think Trudeau can really back down now. Maybe quietly but that won't heal the rift.

It will be interesting to see which parties, if any, emerge as more libertarian out of this mess. Maybe the PPC will be the only one going into the next election. That may not be such a good outcome as it would be very difficult to jump from where they at now to actually winning seats, due to being a non-regional party.

Aristides · February 13, 2022

8 minutes ago, Nexii said:

The thing is I don't think Trudeau can really back down now. Maybe quietly but that won't heal the rift.

It will be interesting to see which parties, if any, emerge as more libertarian out of this mess. Maybe the PPC will be the only one going into the next election. That may not be such a good outcome as it would be very difficult to jump from where they at now to actually winning seats, due to being a non-regional party.

I don't think it matters much what Trudeau does now. Lifting the restriction for unvaccinated truckers won't get them across the border as long as the US has the same rule, it will just open the country to unvaccinated American truckers. This has become a simple Trudeau hate fest, at least it has on this forum so there is no way he can make them happy. Mobs don't get to pick Prime Ministers in this country and we better pray they never do.

Aristides · February 13, 2022

If the Conservatives can get their act together and move more to the centre, the Liberals could be easy picking in the next election but based on their past performance, I'm not holding my breath.

West · February 13, 2022

14 minutes ago, Nexii said:

The thing is I don't think Trudeau can really back down now. Maybe quietly but that won't heal the rift.

It will be interesting to see which parties, if any, emerge as more libertarian out of this mess. Maybe the PPC will be the only one going into the next election. That may not be such a good outcome as it would be very difficult to jump from where they at now to actually winning seats, due to being a non-regional party.

There'll be a ground swelling of dissent now that Trudeau has went full on nazi.

This isn't going to go away even if they clear a few bridges.

Zeitgeist · February 13, 2022

18 minutes ago, Nexii said:

The thing is I don't think Trudeau can really back down now. Maybe quietly but that won't heal the rift.

It will be interesting to see which parties, if any, emerge as more libertarian out of this mess. Maybe the PPC will be the only one going into the next election. That may not be such a good outcome as it would be very difficult to jump from where they at now to actually winning seats, due to being a non-regional party.

It’s hard for the PPC to get mainstream legitimacy because the Liberal campaign team will point to outlier candidates that have social conservative positions on abortion or conversion therapy. Look, no elected government in Canada is overturning abortion laws or bringing in discriminatory laws against LGBT or any racial minorities. That’s off the table. It’s important for people to be able to have different opinions and express them. The court of public opinion will decide. What should probably happen is that the Conservative Party absorbs the PPC and maintains a message about lowering the cost of living and adding jobs. Identity politics should be left out of the debate. It’s the fundamental Charter rights that are at stake. The CPC should drop mandates and carbon taxes. They’ll need a “climate change” plan or they’ll be vulnerable on that front, but Biden had found a way to have such a plan without imposing costs on consumers in an economy with a skyrocketing cost of living.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist

Aristides · February 13, 2022

1 minute ago, West said:

There'll be a ground swelling of dissent now that Trudeau has went full on nazi.

This isn't going to go away even if they clear a few bridges.

"Full on NAZI" , what an ignorant thing to say. You demean every one of Hitlers victims by making such a childish comparison.

West · February 13, 2022

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

"Full on NAZI" , what an ignorant thing to say. You demean every one of Hitlers victims by making such a childish comparison.

Listen to what Trudeau says. "Should we tolerate these people?". That's not an ignorant, naziesqque thing to say?

He and the liberal lunatics picked a fight and are now crying to momma.

Edited February 13, 2022 by West

Aristides · February 13, 2022

2 minutes ago, West said:

Listen to what Trudeau says. "Should we tolerate these people?". That's not an ignorant, naziesqque thing to say?

He and the liberal lunatics picked a fight and are now crying to momma.

If this was Germany in 1936, everyone of those demonstrators would be in Dachau at least a week ago.

DogOnPorch · February 13, 2022

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

"Full on NAZI" , what an ignorant thing to say. You demean every one of Hitlers victims by making such a childish comparison.

'There are people who are fiercely against the vaccination. They are extremists who don't believe in science. They're often misogynists, they are often racists. It's a small group that muscles-in and we have to make a choice in terms of leaders...in terms of the country...do we tolerate these people?'

---Dear Leader Justin Trudeau

DogOnPorch · February 13, 2022

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

If this was Germany in 1936, everyone of those demonstrators would be in Dachau at least a week ago.

And if it was 1931...not quite yet, eh?

Zeitgeist · February 13, 2022

1 minute ago, West said:

Listen to what Trudeau says. "Should we tolerate these people?". That's not an ignorant, naziesqque thing to say?

He and the liberal lunatics picked a fight and are now crying to momma.

Yeah I may not agree with my couple of unvaccinated friends, but it disgusts me that they can’t have basic constitutionally protected freedoms because they don’t ascribe to a government-mandated health program. Vaccine passports are a dangerous policy that marks the beginning of a level of government control we’ve never seen before. Our Charter is currently suspended on executive order. People have lost jobs and many freedoms. It’s unCanadian.

myata · February 13, 2022

49 minutes ago, Aristides said:

And you think destroying the economy is somehow going to make that possible?

We've been at it already: yes, arbitrary, irrational and unjustified restrictions are destroying the economy. We are in full agreement on this point. Now, certainly keeping same old status quo that created these problems, same inept, incompetent and yet overpaid, entitled and arrogant management isn't going to fix any problems, exacerbate existing and create new ones, very likely.

West · February 13, 2022

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

If this was Germany in 1936, everyone of those demonstrators would be in Dachau at least a week ago.

At what point in the progression are you going to pay attention?

When you have the "leader" of your country suggest we shouldn't "tolerate" the unvaccinated, other premiers implementing taxes, and people being thrown out of work for being unvaccinated, this is right in line with pretty much every human rights abusing regime in history.

I dont want to get to the point of gas chambers.

Nexii · February 13, 2022

More akin to early 1933 Germany. But it all started somewhere.

I think it'll be a bigger ask for the CPC to drop the identity politics than to go more libertarian. Just over half their base still wants to play that game. Unfortunately since the CPC doesn't get much urban representation they're kind of locked into what they are.

DogOnPorch · February 13, 2022

1 minute ago, West said:

At what point in the progression are you going to pay attention?

When you have the "leader" of your country suggest we shouldn't "tolerate" the unvaccinated, other premiers implementing taxes, and people being thrown out of work for being unvaccinated, this is right in line with pretty much every human rights abusing regime in history.

I dont want to get to the point of gas chambers.

Gas chambers are a little old-skool.

There's so much that can be done in the world of mRNA 'therapeutics'.

:lol:

West · February 13, 2022

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Gas chambers are a little old-skool.

There's so much that can be done in the world of mRNA 'therapeutics'.

Trudeau has the patent.

Zeitgeist · February 13, 2022

9 minutes ago, Nexii said:

More akin to early 1933 Germany. But it all started somewhere.

I think it'll be a bigger ask for the CPC to drop the identity politics than to go more libertarian. Just over half their base still wants to play that game. Unfortunately since the CPC doesn't get much urban representation they're kind of locked into what they are.

But there’s great value in encouraging free expression. I love debate. Bring on the social conservative opinions AND the libertarian ones. That’s healthy. It’s sad that the Liberals have become the party that says disagreement makes you an unacceptable radical. We want the fullest range of argument and debate. What’s most at risk right now is free speech and the Charter-protected rights of all. Trudeau’s mistake is putting himself on the side of oppression. Muzzling critics and stripping people of basic rights arbitrarily is not a winning approach. He’s leaning heavily on the excuse of the pandemic.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist

West · February 13, 2022

Bernier should've won the CPC leadership race but was screwed on the last ballot. The CPC is controlled by the same lunatics that control the Liberal Party. Harper is the one who signed us on to a bunch of stuff that essentially stripped our sovereignty and gave it to unelected "global" entities.