Goddess Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Jon Nisbett - Must Watch: Suzanne Coles- Speaks at the Waterloo... | Facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Viral immunologist Dr. Byram Bridle speaks at medical freedom rally – Things That Matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WestCanMan Posted October 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Boges said: Your Delhi stats are merely correlation of time-periods. And revolve around case counts and not severity of cases. Which is what Ivermectin would guard against. . . if it actually worked. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2114907 NEJM and The Lancet are considered "discredited sources" because they were caught posting fake HCQ research. Whatever they post between now and the end of time has a "wait and see if this is just more bullshit" asterisk attached to it. It's possible that just the Vit's C&D and Zinc was the reason for the drop in covid cases in Delhi, I don't really care what caused it, I'm just happy that something actually works.... because the vaccines actually don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Aristides said: I've been told that just posting links with no commentary is not allowed here. Waah. They're posted as hyperlinks explaining what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 50 minutes ago, Goddess said: I know this makes you rejoice, but to me, it's sad. Like in the 60's before abortion was legal and women were dying from backroom procedures. Desperate people do desperate things. No, Stupid people do stupid things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Really? After every doctor or scientist who has used it successfully or studied it has had their license revoked and been shamed by the bought-and-paid-for media? It's like that article on MSM that said, "Hey, if you had a severe reaction to Pfizer, don't worry, you can get all the shots and all the boosters! Ask your doctor first." Really? Ask my doctor? who gets his license taken away and publicly shamed when he gives an exemption? How many doctors are going to write exemptions now? None. I've never seen this level of censorship, bullying, manipulation lying and coercion since I left the JW's. Because it's not approved for use in Canada! Because no one who promotes it has applied for authorization. There are drugs and treatments for COVID that have been approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It's possible that just the Vit's C&D and Zinc was the reason for the drop in covid cases in Delhi, I don't really care what caused it, I'm just happy that something actually works.... because the vaccines actually don't. See the numbers in Ontario lately? No one is taking Ivermectin here AFIK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 59 minutes ago, Aristides said: So why has no one applied to do a clinical study for the use of Ivermectin for Covid? That is the way medicines are approved for use. ALL OF THEM. You dismiss vaccines that have gone through the complete round of clinical studies and approval process and embrace something that was never intended for use against viruses or properly tested on them. The way antivaxxers embrace snake oil cures is really bewildering. They have been through trials...just not in Canada. https://c19ivermectin.com/ Keep in mind, the emergency use authorization for the vaccines was not possible if there was ANY other treatment available. If they showed people were allowed to show that ivermectin worked then by law, the FDA would have to pull the emergency authorization for the vaccines. Hence the war on ivermectin and previous HCQ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Accountability Now said: Keep in mind, the emergency use authorization for the vaccines was not possible if there was ANY other treatment available. If they showed people were allowed to show that ivermectin worked then by law, the FDA would have to pull the emergency authorization for the vaccines. Hence the war on ivermectin and previous HCQ. Yet Remdesivir and Monoclonial Antibodies have been used for most of the pandemic as a treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) Those are both Big Pharma. The advantage of Ivermectin is the patent has run out on it. I hear it's about a buck a dose in North America but you can get it for pennies a dose elsewhere. Edited October 28, 2021 by Infidel Dog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 8:42 AM, Accountability Now said: They are applying for it. Your buddies at Pfizer have made sure it won't happen. Besides, you shouldn't have to apply for Emergency Use for a drug that has decades of proven safety. As noted in the study above, they use ivermectin in chemo treatment patients. Again, this is the concept behind off label drugs Merck has applied for emergency approval of its pill. You are quite selective in your belief in emergency approvals. I'll stick to the vaccine and not need any of your alternate medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, Boges said: Yet Remdesivir and Monoclonial Antibodies have been used for most of the pandemic as a treatment. Both of those drugs are also Emergency Use Authorization. From what I know, the only way you get that is by only allowing it at hospitals. Ivermectin is already an approved drug for parasites. If they gave it EUA then people could just get it at the pharmacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Aristides said: You are quite selective in your belief in emergency approvals. No, not really. The World Heath Organization actually recommended against using Remdemsvir as did many other studies that showed it didn't work. I know there are a couple studies showing ivermectin doesn't work however there are way more studies showing it does work or at least its worth trying. The fact that the FDA was willing to overlook ivermectin and the amount of promise it showed over something that showed weak support at best is a clear sign there are politics in play. 15 minutes ago, Aristides said: I'll stick to the vaccine and not need any of your alternate medicine. If you are over 60 or have a pre-existing condition, then you should get the vaccine. I have said that all along. Of course, don't fool yourself into thinking that those two (or three, or four, or more) jabs you are taking don't have risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 53 minutes ago, Boges said: Yet Remdesivir and Monoclonial Antibodies have been used for most of the pandemic as a treatment. Remdisivir is killing people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Why pay $20 for a vaccine when you can pay $2000 for monoclonal antibodies after you get sick and bitch about the health care system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, Aristides said: Why pay $20 for a vaccine when you can pay $2000 for monoclonal antibodies after you get sick and bitch about the health care system. That’s an interesting Math question. What is the cost of vaccinating the bulk of the population at $20 a shot or just treating the less than 1% of the people who end up in ICU? Of course treating them with ivermectin would be pennies and would most likely prevent them from seeing the ICU. Not me saying it…just 30 randomized controlled trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Merck has applied for emergency approval of its pill. You are quite selective in your belief in emergency approvals. I'll stick to the vaccine and not need any of your alternate medicine. Theoretically the Merck pill uses the same/similar active ingredients as ivermectin. 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: Why pay $20 for a vaccine when you can pay $2000 for monoclonal antibodies after you get sick and bitch about the health care system. Why pay for a vaccine that doesn't work and could kill you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Boges said: No, Stupid people do stupid things. The stupidest people do the stupidest things, like voting for Trudeau or Biden, burning down their own neighbourhoods, creating laws that legalize theft under $900, bailing out violent rioters, wrestling with cops, defunding police, parroting CBC/CTV, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Merk is the developer and marketer of Ivermenctin. Knowing that one should also know this: " There are two reasons that Merck would warn against ivermectin usage, essentially throwing its own drug under the bus. Once they are marketed, doctors can prescribe drugs for uses not specifically approved by the FDA. Such usage is called off-label. Using ivermectin for Covid-19 is considered off-label because that use is not specifically listed on ivermectin’s FDA-approved label. While off-label prescribing is widespread and completely legal, it is illegal for a pharmaceutical company to promote that use. Doctors can use drugs for off-label uses and drug companies can supply them with product. But heaven forbid that companies encourage, support, or promote off-label prescribing. The fines for doing so are outrageous. During a particularly vigorous two-year period, the Justice Department collected over $6 billion from drug companies for off-label promotion cases. Merck’s lawyers haven’t forgotten that lesson. Another reason for Merck to discount ivermectin’s efficacy is a result of marketing strategy. Ivermectin is an old, cheap, off-patent drug. Merck will never make much money from ivermectin sales. Drug companies aren’t looking to spruce up last year’s winners; they want new winners with long patent lives. Not coincidentally, Merck recently released the clinical results for its new Covid-19 fighter, molnupiravir, which has shown a 50% reduction in the risk of hospitalization and death among high-risk, unvaccinated adults. Analysts are predicting multi-billion-dollar sales for molnupiravir.[3] While we can all be happy that Merck has developed a new therapeutic that can keep us safe from the ravages of Covid-19, we should realize that the FDA’s rules give companies an incentive to focus on newer drugs while ignoring older ones. Ivermectin may or may not be a miracle drug for Covid-19. The FDA doesn’t want us to learn the truth." https://www.citizensjournal.us/the-fdas-war-against-the-truth-on-ivermectin/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_RPAzv0m9nobyICIetPh.CBQ6TsfNUrTVLiJ4bHaxCHg-1635462918-0-gqNtZGzNAnujcnBszQhl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Accountability Now said: They have been through trials...just not in Canada. https://c19ivermectin.com/ Keep in mind, the emergency use authorization for the vaccines was not possible if there was ANY other treatment available. If they showed people were allowed to show that ivermectin worked then by law, the FDA would have to pull the emergency authorization for the vaccines. Hence the war on ivermectin and previous HCQ. No they wouldn't. Vaccines and treatments are two different things, vaccines are intended to make treatments unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: No they wouldn't. Vaccines and treatments are two different things, vaccines are intended to make treatments unnecessary. So this isn’t a vaccine then…since even vaccinated people are in the ICU and dying and treatments are still needed. Is that what you’re saying? Edited October 29, 2021 by Accountability Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Accountability Now said: So this isn’t a vaccine then…since even vaccinated people are in the ICU and dying and treatments are still needed. Is that what you’re saying? Sure treatments are required but. Latest numbers for BC. Hospitalizations per 110K/week Unvaccinated 28.5 Partially vaccinated 6.3 Fully vaccinated 1.3 28.5 from 15% of the population 1.3 from 85% of the population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accountability Now Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Aristides said: Sure treatments are required but. But....you said a vaccine makes treatment unnecessary. If treatments are required then its not a vaccine. Which is it? Also appreciate your BC numbers. In case you haven't been following I have always said the vaccine works to reduce hospitalization for about 4-6 months. Wait till December or January when your vaccine runs out and you will see numbers similar to what Israel and the UK have where the vaccine is a non factor. That's when you get to jab yourself again....and then again 6 months later...and again! Edited October 29, 2021 by Accountability Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Aristides said: Vaccines and treatments are two different things, vaccines are intended to make treatments unnecessary. Really? Wouldn't it be great if they had a vaccine for covid then? Edited October 29, 2021 by Infidel Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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