Did Ivermectin & Vitamins Stop the COVID Outbreak in Delhi?

[WestCanMan]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

And billions have taken various COVID vaccines with little or no serious side effects. The vaccine went through government approval for its intended purpose. 

The fact that people think they can just take the veterinary version off the shelves indicate they're being fed misinformation. 

And still, the vaccines have outright killed people and caused serious harm to others.

How can you insinuate that ivermectin poses a greater health risk than the vaccines when ivermectin doesn't do those things when taken as it's administered by a physician. 

[WestCanMan]

On 10/22/2021 at 11:37 AM, Accountability Now said:

According to Pierre Kory, the active mechanism in remdesivir is the same as ivermectin but of course ivermectin isn't as profitable. 

Pfizer doesn't mind the treatments if they are the ones selling them. 

That's kind of a dagger in the heart of the anti-ivermectin movement. Do you have a cite? 

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And still, the vaccines have outright killed people and caused serious harm to others.

Any cites other that VAERS? 

[Shady]

Vitamin D is definitely very important.  Most people that get sick and have died are vitamin D deficient.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Accountability Now said:

And 70% of the deaths in the UK are among the fully vaccinated.  

 

https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/medications/zb1228

If 100% of people are vaccinated 100% of deaths will be fully vaccinated, even if there is just one.

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Yes...once they got their third dose. Do you like proving my points for me. Again, the vaccine works but wanes over time. 

Almost all Israelis got their first two shots 21 days apart when we now know at least 12 weeks is required for the vaccines to reach maximum efficacy. 

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Don't think you're right on this one...

Maybe not but that is what I was told. Maybe that was for A. I got them both around the same time. It was also over 20 years ago.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, Boges said:

Any cites other that VAERS? 

TBH, the VAERS site is even more useless than the covid death toll stats. It doesn't say what types of symptoms the people died of (dying is never nice), what percent chance that the vaccine was the sole cause of death, or whether there other causes of death listed on some/all of the D Certs, there are no stats regarding the ages of people, whether they died after one dose or two, which vaxx they took, etc.

The whole site is kind of like a comfort letter to put a small number of vax deaths beside a big number of covid deaths in order to make it look like the vax is simply the better alternative.

If young, healthy people are dying of the vax it's a huge deal, because those kinds of people don't die of covid. 

This kid had a 1/50M chance of dying of covid: https://www.freep.com/story/news/2021/07/02/jacob-clynick-pfizer-covid-vaccine/5323095001/ but we don't get to find out of what he actually died of. It's like it's more important for this story to go away than it is for us to find out why this child died, but the people who are looking at having to vax their own children really do care. 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

There were actual Double-blind trials. They applied for approval. 

Though expedited, it's more that can be said about anything with Ivermectin. 

Ivermectin is already known to be 100% safe, so the only issue is the matter of how well it fights covid.

There's no good reason to be against that. 

[Accountability Now]

39 minutes ago, Boges said:

What are the long-term effects of any vaccine? 

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-term-side-effects

This isn't any vaccine. Its an mRNA vaccine, first of its kind. Drawing parallels to previous vaccines won't work. 

 

40 minutes ago, Boges said:

We could say that about a lot of drugs. 

Why should ivermectin for use with COVID be exempt from any oversight? COVID is not a parasite. 

It is done for a lot of drugs. I have already addressed this in this thread. 20% of ALL prescriptions in the US are for off-label use.  If you have a tool in your chest that might help then use it. That is what good doctors do and that's why there is off label usage. Here's a few more examples of drugs being used for multiple conditions:

https://www.goodrx.com/healthcare-access/medication-education/medications-with-multiple-uses-depending-on-the-strength-of-the-pill

[Accountability Now]

52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's kind of a dagger in the heart of the anti-ivermectin movement. Do you have a cite? 

I will have to look for a written cite. Dr Kory stated this on the Joe Rogan podcast though.

[Aristides]

Amazing. People won't take vaccines expressly made to protect from Covid but when they get it will take a drug made for parasites. Humans are weird.

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If 100% of people are vaccinated 100% of deaths will be fully vaccinated, even if there is just one.

But there aren't 100% vaxxed, so you have no point.

70% of covid deaths are among dbl-vaxxed, and people who die within 14 days of the second vaxx don't count as dbl-vaxxed.

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Almost all Israelis got their first two shots 21 days apart when we now know at least 12 weeks is required for the vaccines to reach maximum efficacy. 

That was the prescribed interval. 

 

[Accountability Now]

24 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If 100% of people are vaccinated 100% of deaths will be fully vaccinated, even if there is just one.

So by your logic,  if 100% of the population wears blue shirts and 100% of COVID deaths involve blue shirts then the blue shirt must have protected them. The reality is that the numbers in the UK started out with large number of unvaccinated people dying. As time went on those numbers switched even though the vaccination rates didn't change that much. The reality is the vaccinations waned and people are now not as protected meaning. Therefore it is expected that with a vaccination rate of 70% that 70% of the deaths will be fully vaxxed because it is having no effect on that parameter. 

 

30 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Almost all Israelis got their first two shots 21 days apart when we now know at least 12 weeks is required for the vaccines to reach maximum efficacy. 

What??? You're saying the scientists and government got it wrong? How dare you. Just like how our government repeatedly said the best vaccine is the first one you can get? And then they pulled AZ? And the US pulled J&J. And now Sweden and now Ontario is recommending Moderna over Pfizer?  And you wonder why there is vaccine hesitancy. 

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

This isn't any vaccine. Its an mRNA vaccine, first of its kind. Drawing parallels to previous vaccines won't work. 

So what long-term effects would you expect? 

 

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It is done for a lot of drugs. I have already addressed this in this thread. 20% of ALL prescriptions in the US are for off-label use.  If you have a tool in your chest that might help then use it. That is what good doctors do and that's why there is off label usage. Here's a few more examples of drugs being used for multiple conditions:

First drug on your list. 

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Then, there’s Cialis, which also contains tadalafil but is approved to treat a separate set of health conditions. All four strengths are approved to treat erectile dysfunction. In addition, Cialis 5 mg tablets are approved to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), an enlargement of the prostate that can cause problems with urination.

AFIK Ivermectin is not approved for COVID. 

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

What??? You're saying the scientists and government got it wrong? How dare you. Just like how our government repeatedly said the best vaccine is the first one you can get? And then they pulled AZ? And the US pulled J&J. And now Sweden and now Ontario is recommending Moderna over Pfizer?  And you wonder why there is vaccine hesitancy. 

This actually proves that they are analyzing the situation and not expecting blind adoption. It's evidence that these claims of thousands of vaccine deaths are bunk because they'd have been noted and investigated. 

AZ was actually still very safe, but the mRNA vaccines were safer, so why continue ordering the lesser product?

They now ask about Myocarditis when getting the vaccine. 

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[Accountability Now]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

So what long-term effects would you expect? 

The point is we don't know what they are hence the reason we should be allowing people to decide for themselves if they want to take the risk (or lack there of). Of course, if you want to personally sign off on any injury that I may receive (short or long term) from the vaccine then I will take it.  Of course the pharmaceutical companies won't take that risk so I am assuming you won't

 

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

AFIK Ivermectin is not approved for COVID. 

Um...because of the political road blocks in place. Again, you cannot have an emergency authorized vaccine as long as there is an approved alternative. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Amazing. People won't take vaccines expressly made to protect from Covid but when they get it will take a drug made for parasites. Humans are weird.

People won't take an experimental vaccine that doesn't work, and sometimes kills people, just to avoid getting an illness that they might not get, and that they have a 99.98% chance of surviving. 

They feel like, if they get really sick, there are some medications that will bump their chance of survival up even higher.

They know that they're getting lied to constantly by the people who are trying to coerce them to take the experimental Big Pharma vaccine, and that those vax-Nazis are actively discrediting every other form of covid treatment for no good reason. 

[Boges]

Just now, Accountability Now said:

The point is we don't know what they are hence the reason we should be allowing people to decide for themselves if they want to take the risk (or lack there of). Of course, if you want to personally sign off on any injury that I may receive (short or long term) from the vaccine then I will take it.  Of course the pharmaceutical companies won't take that risk so I am assuming you won't

This is the anti-vaxx insanity. You don't know what injury you expect, but still expect an injury. 

 

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Um...because of the political road blocks in place. Again, you cannot have an emergency authorized vaccine as long as there is an approved alternative. 

So there have been applications that have been denied? The Merk drug is being approved. 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

People won't take an experimental vaccine that doesn't work, and sometimes kills people, just to avoid getting an illness that they might not get, and that they have a 99.98% chance of surviving. 

They feel like, if they get really sick, there are some medications that will bump their chance of survival up even higher.

They know that they're getting lied to constantly by the people who are trying to coerce them to take the experimental Big Pharma vaccine, and that those vax-Nazis are actively discrediting every other form of covid treatment for no good reason. 

So take an off-label drug with few credible studies supporting it? 

But don't take a vaccine safely taken many billion times globally. Because it's experimental? ?

[Accountability Now]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

This actually proves that they are analyzing the situation and not expecting blind adoption.

Um...no. It only arises when people question what is happening and push back. If we were all sheep then there would be zero change. 

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

 It's evidence that these claims of thousands of vaccine deaths are bunk because they'd have been noted and investigated. 

How is this evidence of that? People submit a report if someone has died X amount of days after the vaccine. Much like COVID deaths are counted if they die X amount of days after getting COVID.  Those reports aren't bunk, they are following the standard put in place.  Of course what they do after for research and discovery is a completely different story. 

 

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

They now ask about Myocarditis when getting the vaccine. 

Do they ask about anything else?  For example when you see an approved drug advertised in the US they list 100 possible side effects in the 30 second commercial. But now...just now they actually admit there might be one thing?

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

Do they ask about anything else?  For example when you see an approved drug advertised in the US they list 100 possible side effects in the 30 second commercial. But now...just now they actually admit there might be one thing?

They list possible side-effects for vaccines. Common flu symptoms for a day or two.

It's a rather transparent process. 

[Accountability Now]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

This is the anti-vaxx insanity. You don't know what injury you expect, but still expect an injury. 

No...I just don't automatically rule out the possibility of a long term effect being possible where as you do. Until this has been for years, no one can claim that chance is zero (as much as you try)

 

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

So there have been applications that have been denied? The Merk drug is being approved. 

Applications? You think the FDA and CDC are accepting applications for a solution that may hinder their wonder vaccine. 

The Merk drug is being approved hey...you know that Merk made Ivermectin. But of course, their patent is out now so they can't profit from it anymore so...let's remake it, rename it and profit. 

[WestCanMan]

Boges & Aristedes:

FYI, being a vax-Nazi is not "following the science".

1) The vaccines kill some people.

2) The vaccines make some people extremely ill

3) The vaccines don't stop people from getting sick, spreading covid, or dying

4) The people who are trying to get everyone to vaccinate have been caught lying about covid AT EVERY STAGE OF THE GAME

People have extremely good reasons for not fearing covid, and for not taking the vaccines. That's it. It's 100% simple now.

Vax-Nazis constantly conflate the new mRNA vaxxes with old vaccines: "Vaccines stopped polio", but vaccinated people DON'T DIE FROM POLIO, so it's not a comp.

Vax-Nazis constantly understate the side-effects of vaxxing and overstate the vaccines' effectiveness. 

Vax-Nazis instantly try to stamp out every other method of dealing with covid before it gets a chance to prove itself, and in several instances the vax-Nazis have been wrong. 

[Accountability Now]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

They list possible side-effects for vaccines. Common flu symptoms for a day or two.

It's a rather transparent process. 

Nothing on neurological issues like Bells Palsy or Guillume Barre Syndrome. Interesting. Let's not concern anyone with these...right?

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

So take an off-label drug with few credible studies supporting it? 

Nope. I'm not taking ivermectin, I'm not sick.

And it's not just 'ivermectin', it's Vitamins C&D, zinc, plus ivermectin.

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But don't take a vaccine safely taken many billion times globally. Because it's experimental? ? 

No, because it has killed so many people and made so many people sick.

Also because no one actually knows the long-term effects of it, because no one has been on it for more than a year, or more than 3 doses. 

Also because people still spread the disease after vaxxing, still die, and will always need subsequent vaxxes. 

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

No...I just don't automatically rule out the possibility of a long term effect being possible where as you do. Until this has been for years, no one can claim that chance is zero (as much as you try)

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Applications? You think the FDA and CDC are accepting applications for a solution that may hinder their wonder vaccine. 

The Merk drug is being approved hey...you know that Merk made Ivermectin. But of course, their patent is out now so they can't profit from it anymore so...let's remake it, rename it and profit. 

 

If there's merit, yes! 

I'm under no illusions that COVID will be eliminated. It'll be an endemic disease that will still make some people very sick. 

Enforcing annual boosters, to travel and live your life, is a tough ask outside a pandemic. 

You see that Ontario plans to rescind their vaccine passport by January.