Ontario needs to invest in EVs as a realistic Option.

[Boges]

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

who do you think issues the oermits for that airshow?  And did you see any canadian military planes there?

Sorry but airshows have since their inception been at least partly political and the organizers do listen to 'suggestions' .  

Sounds from other reports like ev's aren't doing that well and people are moving back to plug in hybrids a bit.

Well Toyota and GM were there and they didn't have their EVs front and centre because they're the few manufacturers that aren't really doing much in that segment right now. GM didn't even have the Bolt. I did get to sit in the Hummer EV which is a comically large an impractical car. But still cool. 

Volvo, on the other hand, only had EVs, IIRC. 

Subaru which only has 1 EV model had 2 or 3 versions of it. 

Got to see a Cybertruck as well. 😀

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Got to see a Cybertruck as well. 😀

A whowhatnow?  (oh god let it transform...)

[ironstone]

This segment on Marketplace was pretty interesting. It was kind of funny to see Stephen Guilbeault checking his watch when getting asked questions. I guess he clearly is not used to that.

 

[Boges]

30 minutes ago, ironstone said:

This segment on Marketplace was pretty interesting. It was kind of funny to see Stephen Guilbeault checking his watch when getting asked questions. I guess he clearly is not used to that.

I think a lot of the Minister's comments were fair. 

What Cold Weather range do they want posted? 0? -10? -40? 

And pricing per KWh is silly. You should pay more for the speed it takes to charge the car. 

[paradox34]

On 8/9/2021 at 10:29 AM, Boges said:

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2021/08/09/ontario-is-undermining-its-vision-of-being-an-electric-vehicle-manufacturing-centre.html

DoFo should recognize where the Global winds are blowing. Invest in EV infrastructure an incentivize car-buyers to buy an EV as their next car. 

He risks damaging the Ontario Auto Sector as that's where the Big 3 are moving their focus in the coming years. 

As the Article mentions, Ontario has the Natural resources to help move from Fossil Fuel infrastructure to Battery development and manufacturing. The rest of the country is way ahead of us on this. 

Across the 401 there are OnRoute rest-stop, none have DC Fast Chargers. This is a no-brainer to help make Ontario a more EV friendly market.

Thank you but EV's are an environmental disaster waiting to happen. Worse even than plastics. I personally would gladly purchase a hydrogen powered  vehicle but I will never own an EV.

[paradox34]

On 8/30/2021 at 6:56 AM, Boges said:

That's a load of crap. EVEN if making the battery was that damaging (more damaging than extracting Oil from the Tar Sands?) It's a one time cost. Where an ICE car is polluting at many stages in the fuelling processing the entire lifecycle of the vehicle. 

Hydrogen could work but the infrastructure isn't there and it's comparably as expensive as Gasoline. 

EVs are more appealing because, just about everyone that can afford one, has the capability of charging them at home. 

LOL!! The exact opposite my friend. EV's only appear green because of their relatively low impact at point of use. The environmental infrastructure costs, damages are huge. EV's are an environmental disaster magnitudes greater than plastics. A hydrogen vehicle you could convince to buy, an electric one, never.  

[herbie]

Talk about timing.....
Did you miss the $15 billion Honda investment in 4 EV plants in Ontario this week?

Besides, stop worrying about batteries. PP knows electicians that can pluck electricity from the sky.

So do I; with wind and solar.

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, herbie said:

Talk about timing.....
Did you miss the $15 billion Honda investment in 4 EV plants in Ontario this week?

Nope.  What a stunning waste of money.  Bilions wasted to buy someone else a plant that will almost certanly be repurposed to something else by the company who owns it 5 years after it's built and it will have been paid for by Canadians borrowing on our children's future.  It's a frikkin' crime

This is why it's WRONG to be woke.

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Besides, stop worrying about batteries. PP knows electicians that can pluck electricity from the sky.

What would that have to do with batteries? That would be the electricity that goes IN the batteries.

 

[herbie]

On 4/25/2024 at 2:15 PM, CdnFox said:

This is why it's WRONG to be woke.

Showing how you don't even know what 'woke' is, just a parrot that uses woke, liberal, leftist for anything at all you don't personally like. Now you're applying it using tax dollars and incentives to encourage business development which is exactly what a do-called conservative would do,
And you can't seem to understand a dingle thing anyone posts correctly, sarcasm included.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Showing how you don't even know what 'woke' is, just a parrot that uses woke, liberal, leftist for anything at all you don't personally like.

LOL - awww - triggered leftie is triggered

Woke fits perfectly fine here. Billions wasted on corporate welfare because 'EV' and "climate change" when it's becoming clear that EV's are not a good solution to fight climate change is pretty woke.

But i understand.  It's not like you can argue with the truth of what i said so you're attacking me for saying 'woke'    LOL

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Now you're applying it using tax dollars and incentives to encourage business development which is exactly what a do-called conservative would do,

But they're not encouraging business development at all.  They're buying a company some factory space because they thing that guarnatees they'll make full ev's over the long term. Which is not guaranteed in the slightest. He's doing this to buy some short term jobs in Ontario and to look woke.

If he REALLY wanted to invest in something that was all about jobs and bringing in severe amounts of money and business to Canada he'd have supported the LNG expansions that japan and germany begged us for.   But nope - now the us has expanded theirs and are making money hand over fist. So we did nothing for the environment - we just gave the cash to someone else,

But noooo - we put so many billions into an 'investment' that it will take decades to get it back in tax revenues. 5 billion dollars in cash (not tax breaks) - even with 1000 workers that's going to be a long time before we break even on that.

And the labour unions are already pointing out that many of those jobs may go to foreign workers - which happened with his last big 'investment' with volkswagon.  So it may not even be 1000 canadian jobs at all.

 

Waste money because 'climate' and "EV'.   Woke.

[herbie]

Chose a good name. Foxes are quick, sneaky, always hungry and devious bur also the dumbest member of the canine family.

[Ronaldo_]

What Ontario, no, scratch that, Canada as a whole needs is to reinvest into its R&D. Our Manufacturing is currently among the lowest of any developed country. We export more raw materials than we refine oureselves.

[paradox34]

On 8/9/2021 at 10:29 AM, Boges said:

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2021/08/09/ontario-is-undermining-its-vision-of-being-an-electric-vehicle-manufacturing-centre.html

DoFo should recognize where the Global winds are blowing. Invest in EV infrastructure an incentivize car-buyers to buy an EV as their next car. 

He risks damaging the Ontario Auto Sector as that's where the Big 3 are moving their focus in the coming years. 

As the Article mentions, Ontario has the Natural resources to help move from Fossil Fuel infrastructure to Battery development and manufacturing. The rest of the country is way ahead of us on this. 

Across the 401 there are OnRoute rest-stop, none have DC Fast Chargers. This is a no-brainer to help make Ontario a more EV friendly market.

Perhaps but BC and Ontario also lead the country in the purchase of ICE's. In their mad rush to promote EV's federal and provincial governments consistently fail to acknowledge that battery based EV's are an environmental disaster only perceived as green because of their low impact at point of use. The cars are approximately 30% heavier, which effects road and tire wear requiring frequent replacement. The heavy metals in EV's are highly toxic and the recycling infrastructure virtually non-existent. Batteries store energy they don't create it so we still have to generate and distribute all that electricity and in Canada that's primarily done by generating stations running on natural gas. Direct powered EV's are practical only for large cities and repeatable routes. Public transport and trains are good candidates but Canada is a country of space and distances. Even if we ignore the horrendous environmental costs of EV's the simple truth is there impractical and only favored by politicians with a financial interest in the technology. If the federal liberals really want to save the planet they should ban all plastic consumer packaging. Lets bring back paper and glass both of which are 100% recyclable and more importantly environmentally inert.