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Just now, OftenWrong said:

Thats also why it’s crickets around here from the left on this. I told them about it weeks ago, with links but they refused to believe it.

They even me a liar...

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This is the 152nd topic in a row that leftists made ludicrous & unsubstantiated accusations about, only to be proven wrong in the end. 

The sad fact is that some people learn by rote, and once the brainwashed Trudeau sycophants see something on CTV they'll believe it until they're instructed to move on to the next big lie. They'll never take stock of the fact that they've been lied to over and over.

It's like Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled".

There's hope for some of them if Churchill was right when he said "If you're not a socialist at 20 then you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brains." Maybe he was aware that some of them actually do become 'woke' after all. 

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

He was refused medical treatment on account of his vaxx status. So instead of going to a local walk-in, they have to drive to the hospital, pay for parking, and wait in emergency. In Surrey, New West and Langley BC, that's usually around 5 hours. I took my son to the hospital in Langley with a broken big toe and waited from 5 PM until 1 AM and then we left. 

She has her own reason. That's all she needs, and there's no actual medical reason to deny her service.

No pay parking in Fraser Health since Covid. I don't necessarily believe in the doctor's actions but the safety of his patients is his call, not another patient's.

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The Dr might have an opinion about the efficacy and safety of the vaxx, but the fact remains that the vaccines do kill people and some people still die after they're vaccinated. People who aren't afraid of covid don't have to be vaccinated, period, and the DR doesn't get to let her die over a difference of opinions.  

The transplant centre's opinion is that the vaccine represents a much smaller risk to a transplant patient than the disease itself. 

 

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Maybe the woman is willing to take the Merck pill, or monoclonal antibodies or something else that's equally or maybe even more effective. The Dr doesn't get to tell her what option she has to take when there are multiple to choose from. 

The Merck pill has yet to receive emergency approval. You know, that emergency approval people were using as an excuse not to get vaccinated.

Only the dumbest transplant patient would chose treatment after they have been infected and showing systems over taking a vaccine which will keep them from showing symptoms. When it comes to co morbidities, organ recipients must be near the top of the list.

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Some people claim religious reasons just to get out of taking it. Who cares if it really has to do with religion or not? If people believe strongly enough in their religion they're exempt from certain things. Maybe atheists have a right to believe in some things too. 

You can claim to believe whatever you want, that doesn't obligate anyone to comply with those beliefs.

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If a patient chooses to die because they don't want a blood transfusion that's their call. This is an example of the Dr not being willing to give them a blood transfusion. 

 

Why would any doctor proceed with an unnecessary operation knowing the patient will need blood but not get it?

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They're going to a less-biased, less politically active hospital. It doesn't seem like that's a good hospital to choose if you really think about it. 

 

 

They are free to try and maybe they will get lucky. But just maybe this a matter of medicine, not activism and they will get the same response elsewhere.

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The women have said they are now looking for another hospital to perform the transplant but have yet to find one.

 

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Toronto, with some others considering it. and in the states as well there are several hospitals now refusing to treat any organ transplant patient that has not been vaccinated.

20 hours ago, Aristides said:

Where is that happening? I've been in and out of hospitals with my wife for the past two months and not once have I been asked if I was vaccinated or she as a patient, although she has had three PCR tests while she was there,

 

COVID-19: You must be fully vaccinated to get an organ transplant, UHN says | CTV News

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9 hours ago, Aristides said:

I asked where unvaccinated people in Canada were being refused admittance to hospitals or told they would lose their medical licenses forever.

Any medical personal that are about to be dismissed for not getting a covid shot, will have their medical license suspended or canceled completely forever, and will not be able to practice medicine in the province...

I did not say unvaccinated people being refused admittance, as it is against the law to refuse any citizen medical aid. But they can have their medical benefits suspended or canceled for any reasonable reason. Or so says the Premier of NB. 

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7 hours ago, Aristides said:

It blows my mind that someone in stage 5 renal failure would be worried about complications from a vaccine that has been successfully taken by billions.

 

I used to think just like you, went out and got my shots, at the time i was told yes you can mix them it makes no difference, sure it does here in Canada, but every where else they don't except it... Just one more reason to trust the government.  I want back to the clinic and asked if i could get another shot of Pfizer, i told them i could not travel, they said your fine, we can't give you another shot...travel in Canada it's safer for you... great travel advice for our medical center...

And while this vaccination has been successfully taken by billions how many have had complications, or admitted to hospital, i ask because there is a young soldier who a few months ago were told go get the shot, he was put in a coma to recover for a few weeks his reaction was so bad...it almost killed him ... and there has been more on the base that have had serious complications, not as bad as the young soldier with no health issues at all.. he was 21 years old... He is now being released from the forces as medical unfit...That is what he gets for blindly following orders,  and because of this incident many other soldier are refusing to get their shots , and by November they will be on the unemployment line.. there is not just a few cases of refusal there are hundreds, and this is a small base...

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2 hours ago, Aristides said:

No pay parking in Fraser Health since Covid. I don't necessarily believe in the doctor's actions but the safety of his patients is his call, not another patient's.

Why is that? The parking lots are almost empty now.

If they needed the money before I don't know why they don't need it now.

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The transplant centre's opinion is that the vaccine represents a much smaller risk to a transplant patient than the disease itself. 

Key word: opinion. "You don't share our opinion, you die".

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The Merck pill has yet to receive emergency approval. You know, that emergency approval people were using as an excuse not to get vaccinated.

They obviously need better lobbyists.

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Only the dumbest transplant patient would chose treatment after they have been infected and showing systems over taking a vaccine which will keep them from showing symptoms. When it comes to co morbidities, organ recipients must be near the top of the list.

And you're gonna be the judge of who's the dumbest? You've been sucked in by every false MSM narrative of the last 2 years. I bet that you can't even name 1 time that the MSM lied to you about covid.

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You can claim to believe whatever you want, that doesn't obligate anyone to comply with those beliefs.

For whatever reason, they actually are required to oblige religious beliefs, and the belief of a guy with an actual dick who wears a skirt so he says he's a woman. Stop being such a homophobic/religious bigot.

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Why would any doctor proceed with an unnecessary operation knowing the patient will need blood but not get it?

I didn't say that they would. I said that refusing to do the transplant is like refusing to give blood. "You can't have any of the prescious plasma in our hospital because you might get covid and die anyways!"

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They are free to try and maybe they will get lucky. But just maybe this a matter of medicine, not activism and they will get the same response elsewhere.

Not every hospital in the US is run by vaxx-fascists. They'll find one.

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Toronto, with some others considering it. and in the states as well there are several hospitals now refusing to treat any organ transplant patient that has not been vaccinated.

 

COVID-19: You must be fully vaccinated to get an organ transplant, UHN says | CTV News

Good plan. It is in the recipients best interest whether they know it or not. Organ recipients are extremely vulnerable to any infections.

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59 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why is that? The parking lots are almost empty now.

Try and find a spot at Abby Regional at noon. When I was going to RCH in August I always had to park in the mental health lot because the main hospital lot was always full.

 

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Key word: opinion. "You don't share our opinion, you die".

No, "if you don't follow hospital policy you don't get a transplant. Your choice, patients don't set medical policy for this hospital".

You don't tell an engineer how to design a bridge or a pilot how to fly his aircraft, why do you think you know enough to lecture medical professionals on medicine?

 

 

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And you're gonna be the judge of who's the dumbest? You've been sucked in by every false MSM narrative of the last 2 years. I bet that you can't even name 1 time that the MSM lied to you about covid.

 

You have been sucked in by every crackpot social media conspiracy theorist of the last two years. 68.3% of new infections and 76.3 new Covid hospitalizations in BC are not fully vaccinated. That's 76.3% of hospitalizations from less than 20% of the population.

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For whatever reason, they actually are required to oblige religious beliefs, and the belief of a guy with an actual dick who wears a skirt so he says he's a woman. Stop being such a homophobic/religious bigot.

No they don't and not only have I never said that, I don't think it.

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I didn't say that they would. I said that refusing to do the transplant is like refusing to give blood. "You can't have any of the prescious plasma in our hospital because you might get covid and die anyways!"

 

 

 

 

My point was, why would a person refuse a vaccination on religious reasons but not a blood transfusion from a vaccinated person? 

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Not every hospital in the US is run by vaxx-fascists. They'll find one.

Maybe but there aren't transplant clinics on every street corner.

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Any medical personal that are about to be dismissed for not getting a covid shot, will have their medical license suspended or canceled completely forever, and will not be able to practice medicine in the province...

Some are willing to go that far. Quebec nurses union are the first I've seen to really stand up for their members rights. I posted about how the government had to back off on their vaccine mandate.

Now the nurses union is cranking up the heat on the government, exposing their exploitation of nurses, and their lies. Take it to 'em, I say! Let people know what's going on.

"Thousands of nurses across Quebec are refusing to work any mandatory overtime this weekend, as their union ramps up the pressure on provincial and regional health authorities to stop forcing health-care workers to stay past their scheduled shift.

They also issued a deadline of Nov. 15 to ban the practice of forced overtime entirely or face action from the FIQ."

There's a deadline for you, motherin buncha chivattos. You want to go to war? These french ladies got bigger balls than you lazy socialists. They work for a living.

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It's like my pappy used to say, on a Friday night after he came home from an extended happy hour-
You can touch me, I'm part of the union,
can't touch me, I'm part of the union...

;)

 

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14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Good plan. It is in the recipients best interest whether they know it or not. Organ recipients are extremely vulnerable to any infections.

So you agree with denying people of critical medical care then ?  How is it in their best interest ? Yes they are vulnerable, but any major or minor operation has risks, and NO ONE can say for sure that this one patient will or will not have complications well maybe god.

So where does this lead to, what is the next step from here, i mean you are OK with denying this person medical aid, or i should say life saving surgery, with out it this person will not live very long...WTF it is just a life right. that is what your implying here right ! And if we are willing to cross that line where life means nothing... then why not just round these mother F***ers up and lock them up, or better yet just give them lethal injections...it would be in your best interest or safety. 

You think this is going to solve your Vaccine mandate to get the numbers up...I think people are drawing a lines in the sand, like you have, it will be easy to get out of hand from there ... and once it does there might not be a way back. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So you agree with denying people of critical medical care then ?  How is it in their best interest ? Yes they are vulnerable, but any major or minor operation has risks, and NO ONE can say for sure that this one patient will or will not have complications well maybe god.

So where does this lead to, what is the next step from here, i mean you are OK with denying this person medical aid, or i should say life saving surgery, with out it this person will not live very long...WTF it is just a life right. that is what your implying here right ! And if we are willing to cross that line where life means nothing... then why not just round these mother F***ers up and lock them up, or better yet just give them lethal injections...it would be in your best interest or safety. 

You think this is going to solve your Vaccine mandate to get the numbers up...I think people are drawing a lines in the sand, like you have, it will be easy to get out of hand from there ... and once it does there might not be a way back. 

 

 

People will be denying themselves. Stop blaming others for your choices.

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18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Some are willing to go that far. Quebec nurses union are the first I've seen to really stand up for their members rights. I posted about how the government had to back off on their vaccine mandate.

 

No one has really thought this through, even if 1 % of the work force decides to see this all the way through thats a huge loss in jobs, in a market where we really can't have any more... 

And it is not just the unions that will start to demand more from the employers most other employers will be forced to follow suit... and all of these costs are going to be pasted on to the consumer... 

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23 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Some are willing to go that far. Quebec nurses union are the first I've seen to really stand up for their members rights. I posted about how the government had to back off on their vaccine mandate.

Now the nurses union is cranking up the heat on the government, exposing their exploitation of nurses, and their lies. Take it to 'em, I say! Let people know what's going on.

"Thousands of nurses across Quebec are refusing to work any mandatory overtime this weekend, as their union ramps up the pressure on provincial and regional health authorities to stop forcing health-care workers to stay past their scheduled shift.

They also issued a deadline of Nov. 15 to ban the practice of forced overtime entirely or face action from the FIQ."

There's a deadline for you, motherin buncha chivattos. You want to go to war? These french ladies got bigger balls than you lazy socialists. They work for a living.

....

It's like my pappy used to say, on a Friday night after he came home from an extended happy hour-
You can touch me, I'm part of the union,
can't touch me, I'm part of the union...

;)

 

Why do you think they are having to work so much overtime smart ass? 

Where does it say they are doing it to protest vaccinations?

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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

People will be denying themselves. Stop blaming others for your choices.

Sorry bubba i already have my shots, .....but i do believe in making choices freely...and with every choice there is a consequence or should i say a reasonable consequence. it should have stopped at staying at home, not going out to non essential places for your safety and theirs..

but we are taking this to a whole new level , to say FU your choice is going to cost you your life thats where i draw the line...That is not just a choice thats a life and death decision for "what" to force them to get a vaccination, so you can feel safe, and say F888K them and the reasons they have for not getting the shot ..... and you think that is a reasonable action...and your good with it because that is their choice. we all need to step up and take responsibility for our choices...and don't tell me the doctor is in clear just because he never made the first choice...He chose Not to provide vital medical aid, to prove a POINT...he might as well shot him with a pistol and just ended the whole thing, i mean dead is dead right now or months from now...

And if you are good with this then Im sorry i have to question your character, your morals and values.

 

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Just now, Army Guy said:

Sorry bubba i already have my shots, .....but i do believe in making choices freely...and with every choice there is a consequence or should i say a reasonable consequence. it should have stopped at staying at home, not going out to non essential places for your safety and theirs..

but we are taking this to a whole new level , to say FU your choice is going to cost you your life thats where i draw the line...That is not just a choice thats a life and death decision for "what" to force them to get a vaccination, so you can feel safe, and say F888K them and the reasons they have for not getting the shot ..... and you think that is a reasonable action...and your good with it because that is their choice. we all need to step up and take responsibility for our choices...and don't tell me the doctor is in clear just because he never made the first choice...He chose Not to provide vital medical aid, to prove a POINT...he might as well shot him with a pistol and just ended the whole thing, i mean dead is dead right now or months from now...

And if you are good with this then Im sorry i have to question your character, your morals and values.

 

Good for you. Give me a friggin break. Life or death choice my ass. It's only a life or death choice because that person decides to make it one.

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6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I took my son to the hospital in Langley with a broken big toe and waited from 5 PM until 1 AM and then we left. 

 

Wow!  You are one patient person.  I would have either left by 9PM at the latest, or something would have happened and I would have been all over the news.

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3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Good for you. Give me a friggin break. Life or death choice my ass. It's only a life or death choice because that person decides to make it one.

Your right this conversation is not going any where and i might as well be talking to your ass it might have been easier to talk with. If this mans life is not worth anything to you, or the doctor who told him to hit the street because your trying to prove a point, then your special, i wish i could have made those same choices while in Afghanistan with as much callous as you just did it would have been easier on my mental health.  ....  

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Why do you think they are having to work so much overtime smart ass? 

Where does it say they are doing it to protest vaccinations?

You've got a lot of questions, so maybe you should do some more reading, less yapping.

Or maybe someone here can spoon feed you more links, to educate you. You are otherwise helpless.

 

 

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Chicago cops ready to walk off the job:

"Catanzara said this week that half of Chicago’s roughly 13,000 police officers might not show up for work this weekend."
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/judge-silences-head-of-chicago-police-union-for-asking-officers-to-hide-vaccination-status

We'll give the big-mouthed leftist progs a mandate. Straight to hell

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Your right this conversation is not going any where and i might as well be talking to your ass it might have been easier to talk with. If this mans life is not worth anything to you, or the doctor who told him to hit the street because your trying to prove a point, then your special, i wish i could have made those same choices while in Afghanistan with as much callous as you just did it would have been easier on my mental health.  ....  

Look, if someone decides to die just because they won't get vaccinated, that's all on them. It's their choice, no one elses. What unnecessary horses ass principle were you prepared to die for in Afghanistan? These people aren't hero's, they are just stupid.

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19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Look, if someone decides to die just because they won't get vaccinated, that's all on them. It's their choice, no one elses. What unnecessary horses ass principle were you prepared to die for in Afghanistan? These people aren't hero's, they are just stupid.

Its not deciding to die. I guess you wilfully ignore that most people can beat covid, and without any vaccine.

You want to be a pincushion every 6 months fir covid shots and boosters, go right ahead. 

Me, I dont need to. I got a much stronger immune system than you. Yours is weak.

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3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Its not deciding to die. I guess you wilfully ignore that most people can beat covid, and without any vaccine.

You want to be a pincushion every 6 months fir covid shots and boosters, go right ahead. 

Me, I dont need to. I got a much stronger immune system than you. Yours is weak.

It certainly is if you can't get a transplant without it. Organ recipients are not "most people", they are far are more vulnerable to infections than most people.

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5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Its not deciding to die. I guess you wilfully ignore that most people can beat covid, and without any vaccine.

You want to be a pincushion every 6 months fir covid shots and boosters, go right ahead. 

Me, I dont need to. I got a much stronger immune system than you. Yours is weak.

No one has immunity to a new virus. Their general health can be a big factor in fighting it off but there is no immunity.

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17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It certainly is if you can't get a transplant without it. Organ recipients are not "most people", they are far are more vulnerable to infections than most people.

People who need an organ transplant are often immune compromised, and should not or cannot be given vaccine.

Not that you would know anything about that, or ever give it a thought.

You should go and google some more.

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