Canada at the start of Delta dominated fourth Covid wave, so get vaccinated to save lives.

[Infidel Dog]

For me therapeutics are the answer but the 'Masters' behind the great reset won't let you hear about them much less allow doctors to prescribe them.

[Infidel Dog]

I know I'm not supposed to know or believe the data below from the CDC and VAERS, but I do and it affects my vaccination hesitancy. Tags of "anti-vaxxer" or "conspiracy theorist" bother me less than what the stats imply.

https://truthbasedmedia.com/2021/08/20/13000-deaths-nearly-600000-adverse-events-reported-after-covid-vaccines-as-debate-swells-about-need-for-a-third-dose/ 

I don't imagine Citizen will be slapping me on the back and parading around with his chest puffed out over my little pictograph of statistics like he was with Argus for his Ontario stats.

He might tell us how comorbidities might affect those stats although I doubt he'll tell you how that critique would also apply to general covid stats. 

 

 

[myata]

On the risks of over-immunization (BBC). This time cheerful carelessness could trigger irreversible effects. "Not a problem! .. oops".

1. Vaccines and protection to the vulnerable.

2. Clear, honest information, advice and best treatment to the healthy.

3. Normal life to the society.

Edited August 21, 2021 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

So it’s probably inevitable that just about everyone will get the virus eventually.  Being vaccinated gives you a good chance to fight it.  So does being fit and young.  If you you’re able to fight the virus (and most people are) and you get Covid, at least you’ll have even more immunity.  This was inevitable.  We’re not going to eliminate the virus.  Through vaccines, perhaps annual boosters, good health, and sensible hygiene, we’ll be able to carry on with somewhat normal lives (assuming government restrictions are eventually lifted).   Read this about hybrid immunity:

https://apple.news/ANRN9xbNHRFmKANWsDsZQbw

[OftenWrong]

34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So it’s probably inevitable that just about everyone will get the virus eventually.  Being vaccinated gives you a good chance to fight it.

Yep. Pretty soon people will be lined up to get the virus:

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

Here's something I just heard about this morning from Dr Michael McDowell.

Ever heard of "viral immune escape?"

Basically, according to Dr Michael McDowell (quick Argus and Bubberman to the google-mobile to find a slate hit piece on him)...

Vaccinations are a threat to us all.

https://blazingcatfur.ca/2021/08/21/viral-immune-escape-explained-by-dr-michael-mcdowell/

[Infidel Dog]

That's why we need a leader like Ron DeSantis so we can get access to therapeutics like "monoclonal antibody treatments."

15 Monoclonal Antibody Sites to Be Operational in Florida by Weekend

"

 

“Referrals are not required at any of the State of Florida monoclonal antibody treatment sites,” DeSantis said. “These treatments are available at no cost to patients. Don’t believe anyone that says they are going to cost thousands of dollars.”

DeSantis explained that after then President Trump received the monoclonal antibodies treatment the federal government at his direction “bought the lot” of antibodies treatment to make it available to everyone who wanted it."

[Infidel Dog]

We don't need more authoritarian 'show your papers to enter' mandators that's for sure:

"

This chart is stunning. Germany reports 58% fully vaccinated, Sweden 51%. Germany is one of the most masked countries in the EU, including N95s for the populace. Sweden the least masked country in the EU. Germany requires negative test to enter many indoor events, while Sweden doesn't. Germany locked down last year, while Sweden didn't. And yet, look at the epidemiological curves adjusted for population. Nearly identical. It's almost as if our mass mitigation efforts do no good against an airborne virus....

2,631 likes289 comments1,409 reposts"

https://gab.com/SteveDeace

 

Edited August 21, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[myata]

As heard on the radio and coined by one of the premiers (didn't catch which one), "this now the epidemics of non vaccinated". Officially, stamped. Success and fanfare. Great.

Only... wait a minute something does not line up here. Here's what does not line up: how 10 to 30% of non vaccinated population is producing several times, in some cases, tenfold of cases seen last year, when nobody was vaccinated? Is it even possible? Yes - if the virus has become 10 to 100 times more contagious. Has it? No, though the new variants appear to be more contagious, nothing in these catastrophic ranges has been reported in the literature.

What does it mean? I don't know and honestly, tired of reading lips and guessing. Do you?

And the second thing that wouldn't line up here. OK, "epidemics of non vaccinated", let's assume. So for the vaccinated, believing the great numbers, the risk of complications is below that of a traffic accident and the flu. Who has seen mandatory mandates and restrictions for traffic accidents and annual flu seasons? So the restrictions are coming down. When are they coming down?

So what does it mean? I don't f@#$ing know! And who knows isn't telling anything. But here's the thing: when it's clear that someone is muddying waters and has no intent of telling truth is there any point in further guessing? I think maybe not. No honest information is in itself, sufficient information.

[Zeitgeist]

It doesn’t matter if it’s a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.   Vaccinated people are still being required to mask indoors and even outdoors with unvaccinated students who are unmasked in schools.   The vaccines have not lifted restrictions.   Promises broken.  Push to end all restrictions immediately and legislate that businesses and public employers can’t require masks.  If we don’t push back, restrictions such as mandatory masking will not be lifted.

[myata]

The method of treating the public as a mindless herd, with muzak and propaganda instead of honest and open dialogue is a risky one, bordering on dangerous. We do not understand why in places with high proportion of vaccinations there are  new surges of cases. There is a possibility, though in no way certainty, that new variants may break through the protection of vaccines. If the next wave goes wrong way under the lullabies all is great just keep marching it could have unpredictable consequences for the society. Is there room still for a return to an honest conversation? I cannot tell. But in this direction the trust could be dropping real fast.

[Zeitgeist]

People are inured to restrictions, no matter how unhealthy and dangerous they are.  The challenge today isn’t death from Covid-19.  The risks to the vaccinated and ineligible unvaccinated are small.  The challenge is restoring freedom and healthy activity.   I don’t think we can do it in Ontario.  It certainly can’t be done in the Maritime provinces, Manitoba, or British Columbia.  Maybe Alberta, but I’m doubtful.  This is our degraded democracy now.  

[Argus]

On 8/21/2021 at 5:10 PM, Infidel Dog said:

We don't need more authoritarian 'show your papers to enter' mandators that's for sure:

"

This chart is stunning. Germany reports 58% fully vaccinated, Sweden 51%. Germany is one of the most masked countries in the EU, including N95s for the populace. Sweden the least masked country in the EU. Germany requires negative test to enter many indoor events, while Sweden doesn't. Germany locked down last year, while Sweden didn't. And yet, look at the epidemiological curves adjusted for population. Nearly identical. It's almost as if our mass mitigation efforts do no good against an airborne virus....

 

2,631 likes289 comments1,409 reposts"

https://gab.com/SteveDeace

 

Yeah, you keep providing these 'stunning' insights from the alt-right networks you spend your time on and I'll keep ignoring them.

[Argus]

On 8/21/2021 at 5:04 PM, Infidel Dog said:

That's why we need a leader like Ron DeSantis so we can get access to therapeutics like "monoclonal antibody treatments."

Oh for Gods sakes. Just get the shot and stop whining like a little bitch.

I have a feeling that if some screwball Trumptard type told you to pour lighter fluid into your veins and set it on fire you'd do that rather than just get a simple shot hundreds of millions of people have already had.

[Argus]

On 8/21/2021 at 12:29 PM, Infidel Dog said:

Here's something I just heard about this morning from Dr Michael McDowell.

Ever heard of "viral immune escape?"

Basically, according to Dr Michael McDowell (quick Argus and Bubberman to the google-mobile to find a slate hit piece on him)...

Vaccinations are a threat to us all.

https://blazingcatfur.ca/2021/08/21/viral-immune-escape-explained-by-dr-michael-mcdowell/

Why would we dare to question the brilliant science of the great Doctor... McDowell, from Trinidad. Clearly he knows far more than all the rest of the medical establishment, western doctors and scientists and governments combined.

[myata]

35 minutes ago, Argus said:

Oh for Gods sakes. Just get the shot and stop whining like a little bitch.

I'm so fed up with this, from high above down to st()d small fleas (far) down below sure I know best just do it you little ...

Ok, know best what exactly?

"Travel from Wuhan no problem" know best?

"Just stay at home", first round of all-time records?

"Just put it on and all will be fine", waves 2 and 3 all time records?

"Just ...." wait no, I can see what I see. And now you go and just frac yourself in any expert way with full and unrestricted freedom. It's only a waste of my time listening to someone who appears to be, and at the same clueless, incompetent and dishonest.

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Yeah, you keep providing these 'stunning' insights from the alt-right networks you spend your time on and I'll keep ignoring them.

You keep promising you will but here you are...AGAIN.

Gotta admit though, it is a little disappointing that you never learn anything. I can't understand why. It's all pretty basic. 

Oh well...hang in there. Maybe some day the little light bulb will light up.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

And now you've got something against Trinidad?

Sheesh, what a bigot.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[myata]

Based on available information I'll try to explain what we can observe, including strange and ongoing inconsistencies and contradictions. It was known to the specialists in the field that the term of protection from these vaccines is relatively short (compared to decades or lifetime protection of conventional vaccines) and so it can be expected that the protection would start waning at some point. And now this information is in the public domain (BBC).

So what do you do - if you haven't worked on developing, testing and implementing effective tools and mechanisms of protection and treatment allowing the society to function normally or as close to it as possible but instead invested all efforts and resources into drumming propaganda, meaningless (mostly) hectic activity and fanning up the beliefs and expectations of a single and quick silver bullet solution? If by late fall and winter the cases resume uncontrollable rise that could upset the whole premise in the eyes of the population. And that is the critical scenario that is to be prevented at all costs. And that's why the restrictions aren't going anywhere. The risks, for the credibility of the whole undertaking are simply too high. From this analysis it can also be predicted that if case numbers keep heading wrong way, lockdowns will be reinstated as well under any and all pretexts, vaccines or no. The risks, etc are just too high.

Yes, but isn't it pretty clear even at this time that the virus will not be eliminated by end of this year when protection will begin expiring in the mass of population? Even if, by some miracle it could happen here (winning a country-wide lottery would be more likely, in my view) there are countless reservoirs around the world still. So the only viable strategy, apart from mentioned intelligent, objective and realistic management that cannot happen here, is ongoing and continuous mass revaccination. Yes, right. The history's first. And we're easing into it blindly without much consideration and any discussion of what it could mean for us and the future.

This explains however two of our daily observations: drumming of the vaccine propaganda (no, the point is not to eliminate "antivaxxers" where are they btw, do you know one? and go from 79% to 99%) but to establish and instill in the collective psyche the idea that it's the only possible and absolutely necessary path, as the foundation of the next phase. The second point is mandating. In the picture that is developing, voluntary compliance cannot be counted on for sufficient protection, trust and unquestioned compliance would wane and so the public will need to be introduced, carefully and gently like a training pup, to the mandatory environment, where neither their opinion no agreement would be necessary. Hello, passports. Hi, brave new world.

<thinking of some conclusion here but nothing comes. What could be the exit strategy from this, would you know?>

[Zeitgeist]

I think once the majority of people are vaccinated, which they are, we lift all restrictions and let the virus run through the population.  Anyone who is immuno-compromised will have to take extra precautions.  If you’re vaccinated and you get the virus, your immunity will be very high.   Anyone who falls into a vulnerable category should get boosters.  Probably everyone who is eligible should.  That’s it.  We drop the restrictions, accept the risks, and get back to normal life.  The UK is doing that. Risk is part of life.  We can’t live in constant fear under unhealthy restrictions.  However, governments take their cues from constituents, so people have to push for their freedom.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

That is not the direction that the things seem to be taking, based on what we can see, not just hope for. There is a possibility that "boosters" in this strategy and paradigm may be needed for a long time, possibly without definite end. And there are signs that governments are taking mandatory measures ever so further. And seems to be no interest in the society to a discussion of mandatory and continuous, indefinitely, vaccinations and it may just happen step by step and grade by grade, taking us into a completely new social setting and environment. Xi setting?

[OftenWrong]

Since modern digital man is entirely dependant on technology to exist, it makes sense that the majority put such faith in Glaxo-Smith-Kline et al. Silver bullet, that's a good one. We're praying for that miracle.

Yet it is baffling that we didn't take other steps to mitigate the damage of the virus. Those are still problems that could be dealt with and could improve our situation. Yet they weren't done. Presumably the politicos felt they were too expensive, not worth it. But that can't be it. The cost of societal harm is far greater. But that is going to be in the long term, so would be a problem for the next government to solve.  Another example how democracy  fails, in emergencies. In communist China, the government is the government now and tomorrow.

Therefore, De-mockracy.

Or is it more than just human stupidity that fails us. Is there malevolent intent to make sure these conditions persist for as long as possible? Who would benefit from that... answer- follow the money. Yep, please do that ye stooges.

Other than that I have no explanation.

 

[myata]

That's it. With modern technology we could ensure sufficient spacing, remove contaminants from the air indoors and identify offenders. No symptoms, no mask, OK. No mask while showing symptoms, automatic $3,000 fine with a report to health enforcement authority. This is justified and specific, not blank, uniform and arbitrary.

Why are we choosing the other path then, without even trying, and so far yet from the cataclysms of the climate change and more serious pandemics? Maybe because it's not so much outside, but in the mind. Xi is in the minds, already. And the stage is ready.

Edited August 25, 2021 by myata

[taxme]

On 8/21/2021 at 7:12 AM, OftenWrong said:

Yep. Pretty soon people will be lined up to get the virus:

 

 

Here in BC, globalist comrade Bonnie Henry is back. As of Sept. 13, anyone who is not vaccinated will not be allowed to live and enjoy their lives anymore. If someone is not vaccinated they will not be allowed to enter sports events, casinos, restaurants, concerts and other venues. The non vaccinated will be forced to stand outside and only be able to look inside.

Just like in communist countries. If one is not a member of the communist party and pay their dues, then they are treated like second class scum. Welcome to communist Canada. Who would have ever thought that in just two years, Canada would become a communist country? 

Just when I thought that we had finally got rid of all of the BC covid emergency act nonsense, the biotch has brought it back again. I said and knew that this was going to happen. Just wait until fall gets here. Apparently, the biotch Henry could not wait until the fall. She had to do it right now or piss her globalist panties waiting. Impatient girl indeed. Now my biggest thrill in life will be a days trip to the grocery store or Walmart. 

This is discrimination par excellence and will be accepted and allowed here in BC. Why don't our traitorous politicians just tear up the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in front of us all and be done with it. They do hate freedom loving Canada, don't you know. 

Who ever thought that we would ever see the day in Canada where there would be two sets of class people. The vaccinated and the non vaccinated. This has now become a war between those lying comrade globalist politicians and their lying in bed with the MSM and we the people. Who will win in the end? I have to hope it will be the latter. ?

 

 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, myata said:

That's it. With modern technology we could ensure sufficient spacing, remove contaminants from the air indoors and identify offenders. No symptoms, no mask, OK. No mask while showing symptoms, automatic $3,000 fine with a report to health enforcement authority. This is justified and specific, not blank, uniform and arbitrary.

Why are we choosing the other path then, without even trying, and so far yet from the cataclysms of the climate change and more serious pandemics? Maybe because it's not so much outside, but in the mind. Xi is in the minds, already. And the stage is ready.

"A $3,000 fine for not wearing a mask and showing symptoms". Why not make it $10,000 and a year in jail? You will make a fine communist one day, that is if you are not one already, comrade. ?

Edited August 25, 2021 by taxme