Trudeau is going to lose.

[betsy]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I am saying

vote for whoever you want

but voting for the CPC, NDP or GPC

is the same as voting LPC

I am voting for the PPC

you are free to vote for the Liberals wearing the color of your choice

 

Read what my explanation above.

What's the reason why some of us are voting for O'Toole?

If we want to unseat Trudeau - how the heck does voting for PPC do that?

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

If we want to unseat Trudeau - how the heck does voting for PPC do that?

it doesn't

but neither does voting for O'Toole or Singh or Paul

that's just voting for more Trudeau

even if Trudeau loses, Canada will be governed by Trudeau style government

at least voting PPC, is voting for less Trudeau

Edited August 31, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[betsy]

9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

O'Toole does not oppose Trudeau on the right of conscience

his position on covid makes that clear

his position on climate change makes that clear

his position on the woke makes that clear

if you believe him when he blows sunshine up your ass

that's your choice

 

Right of conscience (abortion issue)

Right to choose (Covid )

Understanding - NOT ERASING - our history (Woke issue)

 

 

 

Quote

I am not so gullible

 

You may not be so gullible.....but, you don't understand the point why some of us are voting for O'Toole.   Open up your closed mind and let some sunshine in. ?

I would like to give the PPC a chance next time around (in fact we even signed up to give a PPC candidate a chance to be on this race).....but arguments such as yours don't do the PPC any good.   Just my 2 cents.

Edited August 31, 2021 by betsy

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, betsy said:

You may not be so gullible.....but, you don't understand the point why some of us are voting for O'Toole. 

I understand why

it's just not a good reason

you want Trudeau out

even if replaced with another Trudeau

because Trudeau Derangement Syndrome

 

if Trudeau is replaced with another Trudeau tho

that negates the very reason to displace him

since he'll just comeback with another name

in different gang colors

 

but y'all will foolishly give the new Trudeau

the benefit of the doubt

that he won't be the new Trudeau

because wishful thinking is a helluva drug

 

y'all want to believe that Trudeau is an aberration

and not the norm

but the alternatives are more of the same

fake opposition is fake

and it's here to stay

it's not an abberation

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[betsy]

9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I understand why

it's just not a good reason

you want Trudeau out

even if replaced with another Trudeau

negating the reason to displace him

since he'll just comeback with another name

in different gang colors

 

but y'all will foolishly give the new Trudeau

the benefit of the doubt

that he won't be the new Trudeau

because wishful thinking is a helluva drug

 

UNSEATING TRUDEAU!   As in.............................. anyone BUT HIM!

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT HIM!  LITERALLY!

 

Let me make it simple for you:  No more big hair guy!  I'm going for the bald one!  THERE!   You get that? ?

Lol - how hard is that to understand?  

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by betsy

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

UNSEATING TRUDEAU!   As in = anyone BUT HIM!

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT HIM!  LITERALLY!

 

Lol - how hard is that to understand?  

I understand it

there is simply no utility to it

since anyone who isn't him

who can win

will govern as he governs

as if Trudeau was still in power

it's a total pyrrhic victory

whoop dee doo

 

y'all act like

it will be the best thing to ever happen to Canada

totally delusional

Edited August 31, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[betsy]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I understand it

there is simply no utility to it

since anyone who isn't him who can win

will govern as he governs

it's a total pyrrhic victory

whoop dee doo

y'all act like

it will be the best thing to ever happen to Canada

totally delusional

I don't care about the governing.   I just don't want the hair!  I want bald! ?

Have a good nap.   You need it.   I'll go get a cold one.   You gave me a headache!

Edited August 31, 2021 by betsy

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, betsy said:

I don't care about the governing.   I just don't want the hair!  I want bald! ?

 

superficial differences

whoop dee doo

my vote is not based on distinctions without a difference

if you want to reduce your vote to that

knock yourself out

Edited August 31, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

I’ll cry in me beer later when I’m home. Pass me a Labatt’s 50...   .

Politics is a morass. It’s the La Brea tar pit. You cannot be pure, will always get shit on you.

You have to know how to dance with the devil, in pale moonlight.

 

[OftenWrong]

6 minutes ago, betsy said:

I don't care about the governing.   I just don't want the hair!  I want bald! ?

 

Yep, it’s personal, nothing more. Just want to see him lose, then he can return to the playboy set where he belongs, where he can paint his face and body black from head to toe.

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I hate Canada

because it's a useless shotgun marriage

that has gone totally woke

Canada is all about

Keeping Quebec In

Keeping America Out

and Keeping the Indians Down

meanwhile I want to

Let Quebec Out

Let America In

and Let the Indians Up

plus the woke disgust me

therefore

Canada is totally antithetical to my values

 

I hate Canadians

because they are holier than thou woke zealots

with America Derangement Syndrome

and no self awareness

they are a brainwashed cult of snobby prigs

who think their shit doesn't stink

they are a bunch of phony hypocrites

they don't speak for me, and I don't speak for them

I judge people on an individual basis, not on their nationality

 

O'Toole will be worse than Trudeau

because, as this forum is a prime example of

O'Toole can campaign on Trudeau's platform

he could govern exactly like Trudeau

yet y'all will be totally fine with it

because his name isn't Trudeau and he runs for a party with different gang colors

somehow he gets a pass from y'all

at least with Trudeau in power, y'all won't give him a pass

the Fake Conservative opposition

will support Trudeau style government on steroids

as long as their guy is PM

like the cucks that they are

 

only Nixon can go to China

and

only O'Toole can govern like Trudeau

and have the Fake Conservatives with Trudeau Derangement Syndrome 

cheering in the aisles for that agenda, instead of opposing that agenda

 

I live in Canada

because there are points of light in the sea of darkness

that I am quite fond of

these points of light shine bright

in spite of Canada, not because of it

and besides

the sea of darkness is hardly contained to Canada

Lucky us!  Please post again . . . . 

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Yep, it’s personal, nothing more. Just want to see him lose, then he can return to the playboy set where he belongs, where he can paint his face and body black from head to toe.

yeah and CPC voters will feel the same

then give O'Toole a pass for governing just like Trudeau

just because he isn't Trudeau

and he'll actually get more of the Trudeau agenda passed

than Trudeau ever did

because Conservatives will knee jerk support it, since it's their guy doing it

instead of knee jerk opposing it, when it's the other guy they hate doing it

be careful what you wish for

 

Competent Trudeau is worse than Incompetent Trudeau

because Incompetent Trudeau is worse at passing the Trudeau aganda

and Competent Trudeau is better at passing the Trudeau agenda

yet being Competent Trudeau 

is what O'Toole is running on

he's not even trying to hide the ball

and many Conservative voters will still reward him for that anyway

just because he isn't Trudeau

Trudeau Derangement Syndrome is a helluva drug

Edited August 31, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

yeah and CPC voters will feel the same

then give O'Toole a pass for governing just like Trudeau

just because he isn't Trudeau

and he'll actually get more of the Trudeau agenda passed

than Trudeau ever did

because Conservatives will knee jerk support it, since it's their guy doing it

instead of knee jerk opposing it, when it's the other guy they hate doing it

be careful what you wish for

 

Competent Trudeau is worse than Incompetent Trudeau

because Incompetent Trudeau is worse at passing the Trudeau aganda

and Competent Trudeau is better at passing the Trudeau agenda

yet this is what O'Toole is running on, he's not even trying to hide the ball

Yep...    

cheers

[Yzermandius19]

go ahead

reward the Conservatives

for becoming Trudeau

and then act surprised

when they see where the votes are

and give you more Trudeau

 

that's not gonna backfire in the long term

all for an irrelevant victory

that won't substantively change the way Canada is governed

and in fact

further entrenches the bullshit you've been whining about for six years

 

vote on emotion and eschew all logic

great plan

 

if you're gonna vote Conservative

you should at least come up with a better reason

than what y'all have come up with in this thread

this is just pitiful

no wonder Trudeau is going to win

when this is his opposition

Edited August 31, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

go ahead

reward the Conservatives

for becoming Trudeau

and then act surprised

when they see where the votes are

and give you more Trudeau

 

that's not gonna backfire in the long term

all for an irrelevant victory

that won't substantively change the way Canada is governed

and in fact

further entrenches the bullshit you've been whining about for six years

 

vote on emotion and eschew all logic

great plan

 

if you're gonna vote Conservative

you should at least come up with a better reason

than what y'all have come up with in this thread

this is just pitiful

no wonder Trudeau is going to win

when this is his opposition

Strategic voting is necessary. We know what this country needs to do, an about-face on Trudeau. Bernier is pointing the right direction but the mob does not see him. He is branded as political chandala by the mass media engine.

Therefore its necessary to minimize the harm as much as possible. Mr. Bernier has more work to do, get a message out and show Canadians what he could do.

I’m looking for practical ideas, not long rants about Greta Thunberg.

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. He is branded as political chandala by the mass media engine.

2. Mr. Bernier has more work to do, get a message out and show Canadians what he could do.

3. I’m looking for practical ideas, not long rants about Greta Thunberg.

1. Of course, the foolish Canadians could never be credited for rejecting his policies right ?
2. How many elections will it take ?  If there is an election every 4 years and he doubles his support, he'll be in minority government territory in 2033
3. You're looking for practical ideas, like withdrawing from the UN ?  Ok.

[OftenWrong]

34 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Of course, the foolish Canadians could never be credited for rejecting his policies right ?
2. How many elections will it take ?  If there is an election every 4 years and he doubles his support, he'll be in minority government territory in 2033
3. You're looking for practical ideas, like withdrawing from the UN ?  Ok.

As you see I'm not even sure what he represents. That's why I say he's got a lot more work to do to be heard, credibly.

My immediate memory of him is his anti-Thunberg rant. It was a great rant. Just not politically well considered or well timed.

In politics it's not what you believe, but what you make others believe in you.

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I am saying

vote for whoever you want

but voting for the CPC, NDP or GPC

is the same as voting LPC

No, it manifestly is not. It's dumb to even suggest it is.

[PIK]

11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

O'Toole completely cucked on the environment

fully embracing a Liberal style Green Plan

meet the Blue Liberals, same as the Red Liberals

Actually nobody has a plan, because there's really nothing we can do. At 1.5%  less the 30% they talk about, its chump change. Asia is opening up 600 coal fired plants. I read where the sheep say we need to quit financing coal producers, well guess who is the top 10 financiers? Asia. So let cut the crap , get pipelines built and open up the oil. Our ethical oil.

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

No, it manifestly is not. It's dumb to even suggest it is.

so manifestly not

that you cannot even state what the difference is

all you got is nuh uh

ha ha

Edited September 1, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Strategic voting is necessary.

not when who you are trying to stop, will govern the same as who you are voting for

then "strategic" voting isn't strategic at all, quite the opposite

Edited September 1, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Argus]

11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

so manifestly not

that you cannot even state what the difference is

all you got is nuh uh

ha ha

I didn't bother to state the difference in the same way I don't bother to 'prove' water is a liquid. It's bloody obvious. The arrogant, smarmy sense of superiority isn't there. The constant referrals to identity politics aren't there. The policies on natural resource development and pipelines are completely different. As are their policies towards freedom of speech on the internet, firearms laws and the need to balance the budget.

[Yzermandius19]

34 minutes ago, Argus said:

I didn't bother to state the difference in the same way I don't bother to 'prove' water is a liquid. It's bloody obvious. The arrogant, smarmy sense of superiority isn't there. The constant referrals to identity politics aren't there. The policies on natural resource development and pipelines are completely different. As are their policies towards freedom of speech on the internet, firearms laws and the need to balance the budget.

they share the Liberals positions on all of those issues

all differences on those criteria are totally superficial

[betsy]

18 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they share the Liberals positions on all of those issues

all differences on those criteria are totally superficial

Lol - then you vote for PPC.   No one's stopping you.

 

Some of us have our own reason(s) for voting for O'Toole, and don't share your views as to O'Toole being EXACTLY the same as Trudeau's.  

Just because you refuse to see the detailed explanations regarding the differences, doesn't mean you're right!

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, betsy said:

Lol - then you vote for PPC.   No one's stopping you.

 

Some of us have our own reason(s) for voting for O'Toole, and don't share your views as to O'Toole being EXACTLY the same as Trudeau's.  

Just because you refuse to see the detailed explanations regarding the differences, doesn't mean you're right!

I will vote PPC

just because you don't think I am right, doesn't mean I'm wrong

I have offered far more detailed explanations on why he is the same on huge key issues

than the far less detailed explanations presented as to how he is so much different from Trudeau

regardless of who is right and who is wrong, at the very least, my argument is the better made argument

y'all need to seriously step your debate skills up, to get anywhere near the same league as me, on this issue

Edited September 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19