Bill Morneau to resign as finance minister, MP following breakdown in relations with Trudeau over COVID policy, WE scandal

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

My reservation lies in her background.  You usually want your finance ministers to have backgrounds in finance/business/economics, just like you want your justice ministers to have backgrounds in law (whether practicing or theoretical).  I've reservations with Freeland in this position for the same reason I have reservations towards Ontario's education minister.  

 

In a perfect world one would hope the minister would have a back ground in their given ministries....but that has rarely happens, it think what is more important would have strong back ground in management, strong leadership abilities, excellent listener, excellent problem solving skills, and many more... I think where back ground comes into play should be the civil service,  those people directly under the minister . These are where our experts should be, in advisory positions...

[Queenmandy85]

I confess to not being too over-wrought by all this. Trudeau has been an adequate PM with Freeland being spectacular in the NAFTA talks and helping the Provincial Governments through the pandemic. If Mr. Trudeau had the best interests of his party and the country in his heart, he would have resigned, but he didn't. As to the election, I don't really care. Trudeau has an issue with believing hecan do no wrong and MacKay is unreliable. Inspite of that, he would also make an adequate PM.

[Army Guy]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I confess to not being too over-wrought by all this. Trudeau has been an adequate PM with Freeland being spectacular in the NAFTA talks and helping the Provincial Governments through the pandemic. If Mr. Trudeau had the best interests of his party and the country in his heart, he would have resigned, but he didn't. As to the election, I don't really care. Trudeau has an issue with believing hecan do no wrong and MacKay is unreliable. Inspite of that, he would also make an adequate PM.

I think, Justin has had his chances and has proven not to be the man for the job...as for Freeland, she did alright with NAFTA, not much had changed in the agreement much to trumps dismay, but in the long run it was not a win, perhaps more of a tie, trump got his dairy and cheese, we got to keep most things the same...and everyone on both sides of the border paid for the aluminum and steel tariffs ....

As for Mackay, he is not my favorite either, but we need change, and I'm hoping that comes in the form of a conservatives government. 

[Queenmandy85]

The Finance Minister's role is to set the policy direction and it is the Department who implements the policy. Minister Freeland has access to the best minds in Finance. Even former ministers with experience in business an banking relied on the professionals in the Finance Department.

If she is good enough for Premier Ford, she is good enough for me.

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Finance Minister's role is to set the policy direction and it is the Department who implements the policy. Minister Freeland has access to the best minds in Finance. Even former ministers with experience in business an banking relied on the professionals in the Finance Department.

If she is good enough for Premier Ford, she is good enough for me.

Yes , she is light years ahead of justin... but then again i think my grand children could do a better job than Justin, atleast they know right from wrong...

[Queenmandy85]

My vote doesn't count anyway. My CPC MP, Kevin Waugh, is so good, he is unbeatable.

[Army Guy]

I really hope so....because the conservatives are going to need every vote they can get...

[Moonlight Graham]

Freeland is the first ever female Finance Minister.  So like do you guys think she's gonna spend a whole bunch of taxpayer money on shoes?

I kid, i kid.

[dialamah]

23 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Being legally able to apply for a job and being qualified for a job are different things. 

For sure, but strictly speaking there's no training for being PM, or even a politician.  In my opinion, the two most important skills are being a people person and having thick skin.  No one person can possibly know everything they need to know to successfully run a country; they are guided by experts in whatever areas they're lacking.  So someone's previous job experience hardly matters in this situation.  

I think JT has the two major skills needed to be a politician, but I also think he's a lazy thinker; how else could he find himself embroiled in three ethics breaches?   I also suspect he doesn't tend to see things through and, were it not for the pandemic, I think we might have seen less of him as a leader, and more of someone biding their time till they're "retired", or in his case - voted out.  I think he's well-intentioned enough, but something feels lacking, even giving him credit for how he's handled the pandemic.

These are merely my observations, of course, and are as reliable as a Breitbart article - unless you agree with them, I suppose.  

 

[OftenWrong]

27 minutes ago, dialamah said:

 I think he's well-intentioned enough, but something feels lacking, even giving him credit for how he's handled the pandemic.

Well intentioned is sometimes the road to hell, and stuff. What he is lacking is natural leadership ability. He just doesn't have that.

And to make matters worse he has very little real world experience. Aside from going to parties.

Experience attained over a period of years to decades, makes you capable of leading even bigger things. Yes you're right that you need a team of advisors, you can't know everything. But no person should become leader of a country with as little experience and innate skill as our PM.

[Queenmandy85]

Harper and Sheer didn't have any real world experience either. Jason Kenney's only job before joining the Young Liberals was as an anti-free speech activist on campus before he flunked out. Walter Gordon had lots of experience in Finance and was a total disaster as Finance Minister. Minister Freeland has been outstanding so far but that is no guarantee Finance will be a good fit. It is usually a good place to put your biggest rival. It has rarely been a good career move for someone with leadership aspirations.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

For sure, but strictly speaking there's no training for being PM, or even a politician.  In my opinion, the two most important skills are being a people person and having thick skin.

Those are good skills.  I think the most important are analytical decision-making and ethics.

I think JT is average at the former and not good at the latter.

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I think JT has the two major skills needed to be a politician, but I also think he's a lazy thinker; how else could he find himself embroiled in three ethics breaches?   I also suspect he doesn't tend to see things through and, were it not for the pandemic, I think we might have seen less of him as a leader, and more of someone biding their time till they're "retired", or in his case - voted out.  I think he's well-intentioned enough, but something feels lacking, even giving him credit for how he's handled the pandemic.

These are merely my observations, of course, and are as reliable as a Breitbart article - unless you agree with them, I suppose.  

I think he's used to doing things a certain way as a wealthy celebrity and he doesn't realize you can do them as a public servant.  Every MP and public servant has to read the conflict of interest stipulations when they're hired and sign off on it.  I guarantee he didn't read it or at least pay attention & take it seriously when he signed it, he probably just had a whole bunch of papers pushed in front of him and just signed on the line.

Besides giving everyone a ton of money I don't see how he handled the pandemic that well.  All of his early decisions were horrendous & cost lives.  He very was slow to close borders, travel screening was non-existent, we gave away tons of PPE to China in Feb., he let his wife travel overseas In March & get COVID, he let Dr. Tam & the WHO give him horrendously bad advice, you have the WE program scandal, his Finance Minister left, & he had press conferences everyday but managed to avoid answering the vast majority of the questions. Oh and on Easter weekend he told everyone to stay home then drove to his cottage to spend time with family.  He's an entitled piece of s*** who thinks the rules don't apply to him.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Moonlight Graham

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Jason Kenney's only job before joining the Young Liberals was as an anti-free speech activist on campus before he flunked out. Walter Gordon had lots of experience in Finance and was a total disaster as Finance Minister. Minister Freeland has been outstanding so far but that is no guarantee Finance will be a good fit. It is usually a good place to put your biggest rival. It has rarely been a good career move for someone with leadership aspirations.

I cannot defend their ineptitude. In politics, it abounds as we elect rich people's kids.
The idea that one person can be a deputy PM, and then move effortlessly to Finance indicates the level of genus these people hold. </S>

But at least they had a political career and worked their way up. The difference with JT is he was immediately raised to the highest office in the land.

Edited August 19, 2020 by OftenWrong

[dialamah]

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think the most important are analytical decision-making and ethics.

Yes, analytical thinking - that is a good one.  Ethics - I believe that regardless of how ethical a person starts out, politics will erode that.  

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think he's used to doing things a certain way as a wealthy celebrity and he doesn't realize you can do them as a public servant

I think you mean "can't" in that sentence, and I don't doubt there's some of that going on. 

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Every MP and public servant has to read the conflict of interest stipulations when they're hired and sign off on it

As an employee of the Province, I have to do that once a year, actually.   Every time I do, I wonder if those several levels above me are also doing this once a year.

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Besides giving everyone a ton of money I don't see how he handled the pandemic that well.  All of his early decisions were horrendous & cost lives.  He very was slow to close borders, 

Giving people tons of money so they would be less likely to end up in food lines, or tents in parks doesn't seem entirely stupid, but whatever. 

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He very was slow to close borders,

Was he slow?  Border closures to all but Americans was announced on March 16, five days after Trump's significantly less extensive travel ban announced March 11.

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

travel screening was non-existent, we gave away tons of PPE to China in Feb., he let his wife travel overseas In March & get COVID, he let Dr. Tam & the WHO give him horrendously bad advice,

Yes, the travel screening was horrendously mismanaged, and giving away PPE was no doubt a mistake  especially in hindsight.

"Let" his wife?  For all you know  he objected and she said "I'm going".  Anyway, why should she be subject to rules nobody else was sibject to at that time?  

As for "bad advice" - in hindsight, yes.  But everybody makes mistakes in unfamiliar circumstances, even experts.  As more is learned, actions change - pretty normal sequence of events for humans.  The expectation that advice would not change in an evolving situation is unrealistic, and reveals the simplistic thinking of a partisan looking to "blame".

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

you have the WE program scandal, his Finance Minister left, & he had press conferences everyday but managed to avoid answering the vast majority of the questions. Oh and on Easter weekend he told everyone to stay home then drove to his cottage to spend time with family.  He's an entitled piece of s*** who thinks the rules don't apply to him.

Yes, I agree he's apt to not think things through.  I didn't watch many of his press conferences, work inteferes with my TV time, so can't comment on his lack of answering questions.

As for seeing his family, they'd all been in isolation for close to a month at that point so I don't see a problem, seems to me to be one of the more petty  complaints.   And, plenty of people were "an entitled piece of shit" giving themselves permission to see family/friends they considered safe due to two or more weeks of separate isolation.  Even perhaps politicians working in Ottawa but living elsewhere in Canada.

Anyway, media this morning is suggesting that with Morneau gone, JT and Freeland are designing a plan to improve both the social welfare system and our environmental performance, to be announced in September.  So maybe we'll be having an election sooner than later.

Edited August 19, 2020 by dialamah

[Queenmandy85]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

But at least they had a political career and worked their way up. The difference with JT is he was immediately raised to the highest office in the land.

Harper never had a real job before becoming Party Leader other than (like JT) serving in the backbench for a few years with socialist credit.. It didn't hold him back.

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You elect an inexperienced unqualified spoiled entitled vain attention-seeker as PM and that's the kind of leader you get. 

Hey, it worked for Trump. That’s the culture we live in. 

[WestCanMan]

On 8/18/2020 at 8:52 AM, dialamah said:

Its not that I'm any more impressed with Trudeau than you are, but he was more than a Drama teacher and I can find no evidence of him ever being fired from any teaching job. 

If you need to use falsehoods to discredit him,  perhaps you haven't looked very hard at his record, as that in itself should be enough.  Spreading misinformation is not really helpful to our political process or to having an informed vote.

 

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10/19/trudeaus-west-grey-accusor-was-much-younger-than-first-thought/

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The two engaged in a long and steamy affair on- and off-campus while Trudeau taught drama and French at Vancouver’s prestigious West Point Grey Academy.  He was discovered by his accusor’s father at their family home, which prompted private demands to school administrators that he be removed from his position immediately.

“There was a ‘small settlement’ at the time,” he says, but declined to elaborate.

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Trudeau has used his relatively brief time as a teacher to shape his personal narrative when he first got into politics in 2008.  He has used the experience to shape his political brand, often claiming to have ‘taught math’.

The MSM in Canada isn't covering this, just like they weren't showing the bodycam footage of the George Floyd arrest, which was 100% real and shed a lot of light on the second-biggest news story of the year after covid. 

It's a real problem for a person to think that they can get their 'News' from CBC and CTV. That's not a real thing. 

[WestCanMan]

22 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

But a failed philosophy major drop-out can be Premier of Alberta. 

He was obviously more than that by the time he ran for the job so that's a ridiculous comment, plus he was elected to that position, not appointed whie he was completely unqualified. There's no connection whatsoever.

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Women are smarter than men. 

LMAO. This is just so idiotic. 

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, dialamah said:

The way people speak scornfully of Trudeau's previous career makes me wonder - are teachers automatically disqualifed from political office? 

His previous career shows him as a guy who'd still be living in his mom's basement if he didn't have a wealthy family. He had no real job experience, just a bit of this and a bit of that, plus some failed attempts at getting an advanced education. 

Teachers aren't disqualified from holding office, they're just the least qualified to hold an office. All of their experience is working with kids. That's not like running a competitive business.

[Queenmandy85]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He was obviously more than that by the time he ran for the job so that's a ridiculous comment, plus he was elected to that position, not appointed whie he was completely unqualified. There's no connection whatsoever.

LMAO. This is just so idiotic. 

JT was also elected to his position. Was Howard Greene a diplomat? Were Doug Harkness or Peter MacKay  Generals? How were they qualified?

As for women being more intelligent, it must be true because my wife says it is. Let's get confirmation from Betsy, Bush-Cheney and Dialamah.

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, dialamah said:

For sure, but strictly speaking there's no training for being PM, or even a politician.  In my opinion, the two most important skills are being a people person and having thick skin. 

Look how many Antifa and BLM members are shown to be teachers. They're just not the brightest people around. 

Have you ever seen a small business owner in Antifa or BLM?

People who put on big-boy pants with a real belt just have a far higher maturity level than people who talk theories with children. There's no comparison.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

JT was also elected to his position. Was Howard Greene a diplomat? Were Doug Harkness or Peter MacKay  Generals? How were they qualified?

JT was elected by his daddies name and a bunch of liberal fools, and look how badly he screwed our country. It was an epic failure.

 I'm not a fan of people with no military experience being Minister of Defence but not a lot of soldiers get elected to Parliament.

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As for women being more intelligent, it must be true because my wife says it is. Let's get confirmation from Betsy, Bush-Cheney and Dialamah.

I'll give them credit for having as much intelligence as men, but in the current political climate women are being advanced above their ability levels because of their gender.

The 2015 cabinet is a perfect example. Half of the cabinet members just had to be women, but he had a much smaller pool of female MPs to draw from. 

[Queenmandy85]

I will say that the Prime Minister exhibits difficulty working with women. He talks a good feminist game but when she stands up to him, he tends to lose his rag. I just don't like his hypocracy. I grew up under the marxist regime of W.A.C. Bennett in BC so corruption is nothing new to me. It is just part of life.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Harper never had a real job before becoming Party Leader other than (like JT) serving in the backbench for a few years with socialist credit.. It didn't hold him back.

True. Yet Mr. Harper did not have the same shortcomings. JT is not a natural leader so he cannot rise to it spontaneously, nor can he draw on his past experience.

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Hey, it worked for Trump. That’s the culture we live in. 

Totally agree.  People can elect whomever they wish.  But if you elect people like that, look what happens.