What's wrong with this arrest?

[Boges]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Almost none.

Muslims are 1% of the population and they've done lots of terrorist attacks.

When we go through airport security that's not because of Christians or white people or Buddhists. When they put cement barricades around Christmas markets s that trucks can get in to kill people that's not because of black people or Asians or Hindus. 

Where do you see the government taking direct action to stop white people from doing mass killings?When was the last time you thought "If we don't put security here them crackers will just massacre people!" Where is that security in place Boges?

You know all this. Don't act like it's news.

Muslims are actually 3% of the Canadian population and I can't remember the last major Muslim inspired terrorist attack. A person with Muslim Heritage did the 2018 Toronto Danforth shooting, but there's scant evidence that he did what he did because of his Religion.  

Then we have Incels killing people in Toronto and Quebec City and a wannabe cop randomly murdering people in New Brunswick. 

I think angry young white men who can't get a date are more dangerous to society than Muslims. 

Muslims and South Asians contribute great things to Canadian society. I went to school with many of them, great people. My Family doctor is a Muslim. Some of may favourite food is from Muslim countries.

Simplistic view of Fundamentalist Islam shouldn't dictate immigration policies. They're likely coming here to escape totalitarian regimes and fundamentalist religious dogma. 

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[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Muslims are actually 3% of the Canadian population and I can't remember the last major Muslim inspired terrorist attack. A person with Muslim Heritage did the 2018 Toronto Danforth shooting, but there's scant evidence that he did what he did because of his Religion.  

Then we have Incels killing people in Toronto and Quebec City and a wannabe cop randomly murdering people in New Brunswick. 

Are you trying to prove that you don't know much about Canadian history?

You're really only aware of one muslim terrorist attack in Canada, and you couldn't Google it?

Do you really have no idea why we go through airport security, or why they have cement barricades protecting our Christmas markets?

You never heard of a truck attack in Toronto? You never heard of Cpl Cirillo and the attack on the Parliament? You never heard of the car attack on Cdn soldiers in Mtl? You never heard of the gang of 18 in Toronto? 

You think that the 'incel', from a muslim family, who killed all those white people and told the darker people that their melanin made them safe was doing it because of his own whiteness? 

Where have you been the last 20 years? Why do you post on a political forum if you have absolutely no fucking clue what's going on?

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Muslims and South Asians contribute great things to Canadian society. I went to school with many of them, great people. My Family doctor is a Muslim. Some of may favourite food is from Muslim countries.

Simplistic view of Fundamentalist Islam shouldn't dictate immigration policies. They're likely coming here to escape totalitarian regimes and fundamentalist religious dogma.

What do south Asians have to do with this? Are you including Sikhs, Hindus and Buddhists as muslims? Do you know how many Hindus were killed by religiously-bigoted muslims through the centuries, to spread islam by the sword? Some estimates are as high as 100 million. That's a lot of severed heads.

As recently as the '40s that religious zeal for bigotry-killings hit the 10M mark when Pakistan separated. That's more than the entire population of Ontario. 

You're the one conflating issues Boges. No one said that 'all muslims are terrorists'. But, simply put, a lot of muslims are terrorists, and a large percentage of muslims support terrorism. It's a fundamental part of islam. Not all Christians sing in the choir, but 'the choir' is a part of Christianity. 

Guess how many terrorists they had in the gang of 18? I'll tell you, to save you the embarrassment, it was 18. Do you think that you or anyone you know could find 18 people to get in on a terrorist attack? By the time that you tried to recruit 3 people, don't you think you'd be ratted out? How the fuck can you get to 18 before someone goes to the police and says "I know these guys who have a really bad idea"?

FYI, the more people you bring in from terrorist hotspots, the more terrorists and terrorist supporters you bring in. That's math. Statistics. Probabilities. Certainties.

I wouldn't say that muslims can't immigrate here, but I'd say that mass-immigration from places where there are so many terrorists that they overthrew the government is stupid. I'd also say that it should have been priority for Canada to help Christians and Yazidis get out of Syria, when they were facing an actual genocide (denied by our PM), not just making a grand show of importing islam. Muslims in Syria weren't in the same kind of danger. They just wanted out because their own people were destroying the country. 

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I think angry young white men who can't get a date are more dangerous to society than Muslims.  

That's as dumb as it gets. 

[Moonbox]

Well there was the attack on parliament hill, and there have obviously been large attacks spanning the breadth of the Western world. 

Though I do agree with your point (and two of my oldest friends are from Iran and Afghanistan), we also can't ignore that there are clear efforts to recruit and promote violence from certain hostile Islamic organizations, and they have had success. 

An ignorant and all-encompassing view of Muslims shouldn't dictate immigration policies, of course, but i would also be foolish not to scrutinize applicants and *gasp* be more discerning of origins with a track record of violence, trafficking or espionage.  

[Boges]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's as dumb as it gets. 

They've killed more people in the last 5 years, in Canada, than any fundamentalist Muslim, I'm aware of. 

If Young White Men shouldn't have to answer for Incels, then why should Moderate Muslims have to answer for ISIS or the guy who killed Nathan Cirillo. 

The Truck attack was an Incel and Alexandre Bissonette was a White Nationalist and Trump fan. 

Should Christians who do support Trump have to answer for Christians who oppose him and vice vera? Religions are not a homogenous group. 

Fundamentalist Islam is a problem, but so is White Nationalism. We don't treat all White Christians in America as responsible for White Nationalism. And we shouldn't treat all Muslims like they should have to answer for Terrorism and violence that has previously happened.

Muslims fight the Taliban and ISIS too. 

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[Boges]

Also, this is Thread Drift. 

I don't really want to go into Der Cooler again. 

There are ample threads discussing Islam. 

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

How many white people commit terrorist acts? 

It's not a matter of just terrorist acts. It's a matter of whether a family from a given community, with its cultural/religious background, can be quickly and smoothly integreted into the Canadian mainstream. People who are pro-immigration take the position that because this happened with previous groups it will happen again. But the world is entirely different. Travel and communication are far, far more extensive, thus slowing integration. And the culture/values of the newcomers, often supported by their religious values, is vastly more different to that of what we have here than existed in previous days. Given the steadily rising number of foreign-born 'Canadians' that matters.

 

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[Boges]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

It's not a matter of just terrorist acts. It's a matter of whether a family from a given community, with its cultural/religious background, can be quickly and smoothly integreted into the Canadian mainstream. People who are pro-immigration take the position that because this happened with previous groups it will happen again. But the world is entirely different. Travel and communication are far, far more extensive, thus slowing integration. And the culture/values of the newcomers, often supported by their religious values, is vastly more different to that of what we have here than existed in previous days.

You see that in white communities as well as POC communities. Eastern Europeans and Jews often stick to strict religious values they force on their children. Not to mention the Evangelical phenomena coming from the US. (Where homophobia and abortion are more important than anything Jesus said). Conversion Therapy is a real thing that Christians do. 

When you grow up in a community with lots of different racial groups, you get exposed to different worldviews and become a much more well rounded person. 

Chinese, Italian, Irish, French, German, Caribbean immigrants all came to Canada and changed Canada. IMHO, for the better. South Asian and Latinex immigrants will as well. 

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[Argus]

Just now, Boges said:

You see that in white communities as well as POC communities. Eastern Europeans and Jews often stick to strict religious values they force on their children. Not to mention the Evangelical phenomena coming from the US. (Where homophobia and abortion are more important than anything Jesus said). Conversion Therapy is a real thing that Christians do. 

And I don't like any of it. But it's a very tiny minority of the white community because most of the white community have lived here for generations. Their religious leaders, have, as well. The only ones who have not adapted are the small, isolationist groups like the hassidic Jews, Amish and the like. And as I pointed out, it is their religion which keeps them apart. And we are bringing in very large numbers of very religious people whose religious based values are inimical to much of what we believe.

Just now, Boges said:

When you grow up in a community with lots of different racial groups, you get exposed to different worldviews and become a much more well rounded person. 

Or not. You might also mostly hang out with people who are 'like you'. That's partly because that's human nature, and partly because they speak your language. And given the large growth of ethnic communities and the continuing stream of newcomers to them it's easily possible to grow up within these communities as much a foreigner to Canadian values and beliefs as your parents were. Else why are so many Canadian born Muslim girls wearing niquabs and hijabs and the like.

 

[WestCanMan]

48 minutes ago, Boges said:

They've killed more people in the last 5 years, in Canada, than any fundamentalist Muslim, I'm aware of. 

That was a muslim incel from a muslim family dude. He was also racist towards white people. 

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If Young White Men shouldn't have to answer for Incels, then why should Moderate Muslims have to answer for ISIS or the guy who killed Nathan Cirillo. 

You're taking a kid from a muslim family and lumping him in with young white men, when that young muslim was killing people based on his racism against whites. That's idiotic. 

Makes perfect libsense, but this isn't a liberal echo chamber. 

You could just as easily characterize him as Jewish or Chinese. 

If I go riot tomorrow it's not because of my blackness. I'm not black. We all have some really distant ancestors who were black though, so by your loose standards I guess I could. 

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The Truck attack was an Incel and Alexandre Bissonette was a White Nationalist and Trump fan. 

The truck attack was a muslim, Bisonnette was just a retaliation. If there were no muslim terrorist attacks here there would be no Bisonette attack. 

To say he was a Trump fan is really sleazy on your part. We both know that all muslim terrorists in Canada are Trudeau supporters, what does that mean to you?

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Should Christians who do support Trump have to answer for Christians who oppose him and vice vera? Religions are not a homogenous group. 

It's a complex issue, I doubt you'll understand, but when Christians act according to Christ's intentions they're Christians. When they're defending themselves they're human. If they do non-Christian things they're not really Christians.

When muslims act according to mohammed's intentions they're muslims. When they're defending themselves they're human. If they do non-muslim things they're not muslims.

Christ didn't force women and children into rape-slavery. Mohammed did. Christ didn't commit any genocides. Mohammed did. 

When muslims force people into slavery or commit genocide to spread their religion they're being muslims. When people accept mohammed as their prophet they're accepting his slavery and genocide as divinely-inspired, and legal. Accepting it as good. When they use extreme violence to force non-muslims to live in fear they're emulating mohammed. That makes their actions islamic in nature. 

To say that "incels represent the white race" in some way is just stupid. Anyone who makes that connection is just blatantly stupid. Moronic.

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Fundamentalist Islam is a problem, but so is White Nationalism. We don't treat all White Christians in America as responsible for White Nationalism. And we shouldn't treat all Muslims like they should have to answer for Terrorism and violence that has previously happened.

Muslims fight the Taliban and ISIS too. 

White nationalists in this country have done what? 

Where in this country can you go where there is security in place to protect people from 'white nationalists'? What's the annual defence budget to protect Canadians from white nationalists? Is it $0.00? 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

And I don't like any of it. But it's a very tiny minority of the white community because most of the white community have lived here for generations. Their religious leaders, have, as well. The only ones who have not adapted are the small, isolationist groups like the hassidic Jews, Amish and the like. And as I pointed out, it is their religion which keeps them apart. And we are bringing in very large numbers of very religious people whose religious based values are inimical to much of what we believe.

And as you get several generations deep, those dogmatic tendencies tend to level out. 

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Or not. You might also mostly hang out with people who are 'like you'. That's partly because that's human nature, and partly because they speak your language. And given the large growth of ethnic communities and the continuing stream of newcomers to them it's easily possible to grow up within these communities as much a foreigner to Canadian values and beliefs as your parents were. Else why are so many Canadian born Muslim girls wearing niquabs and hijabs and the like.

And many Muslim girls wear "normal" clothing. The truth is, they do it willingly like Jews wear a Yamaka. 

The point I'm trying to make is that when you have a multi-cultural community, a new culture pops up. To the point where it can't even really be identified, Food, Music, Family values all mesh together. And the Whitebread ways of generations passed end up becoming the outlier. 

[Boges]

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That was a muslim incel from a muslim family dude. He was also racist towards white people. 

You're taking a kid from a muslim family and lumping him in with young white men, when that young muslim was killing people based on his racism against whites. That's idiotic. 

Makes perfect libsense, but this isn't a liberal echo chamber. 

So he did things not because of his Islam Heritage, he did it because he was an Incel. His family was irrelevant. 

 

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The truck attack was a muslim, Bisonnette was just a retaliation. If there were no muslim terrorist attacks here there would be no Bisonette attack. 

Just a retaliation? Are you justifying it? Those Muslims didn't nothing to anyone. 

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To say he was a Trump fan is really sleazy on your part. We both know that all muslim terrorists in Canada are Trudeau supporters, what does that mean to you?

Cite JT support for any above "terrorists" we mentioned. 

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It's a complex issue, I doubt you'll understand, but when Christians act according to Christ's intentions they're Christians. When they're defending themselves they're human. If they do non-Christian things they're not really Christians.

So they can ignore "Turn the other Cheek" whenever they feel like it. Not very Christian. 

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Christ didn't force women and children into rape-slavery. Mohammed did. Christ didn't commit any genocides. Mohammed did. 

So you're saying people pick and choose the parts of religious doctrine that they like? No Shit!

A lot of White Christians forced people into Slavery throughout the past 1,000 years. 

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When muslims force people into slavery or commit genocide to spread their religion they're being muslims. When people accept mohammed as their prophet they're accepting his slavery and genocide as divinely-inspired, and legal. Accepting it as good. When they use extreme violence to force non-muslims to live in fear they're emulating mohammed. That makes their actions islamic in nature. 

So why should Moderate Muslims have to answer for that if Christians don't have to answer for White Nationalism or the KKK? Everytime a White guy shoots up a school in the US, should we look into his religious heritage? 

 

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To say that "incels represent the white race" in some way is just stupid. Anyone who makes that connection is just blatantly stupid. Moronic.

OK, fair point. Do they represent young men? since they're exclusively young men. The point is, that they seem to be the ones doing lots of the domestic terrorism in recent years and not Muslims. 

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White nationalists in this country have done what? 

We just talked about the Quebec City shooting. That's one of the worst terrorist attacks in Canadian History. 

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Where in this country can you go where there is security in place to protect people from 'white nationalists'? What's the annual defence budget to protect Canadians from white nationalists? Is it $0.00? 

Sure ISIS and and al Qaeda are problems. Much less so in the past 10 years however. 

Why should a Muslim immigrant have to answer for that, especially since many are coming to Canada to escape such things. See Syrian Refugees. 

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[Moonbox]

52 minutes ago, Boges said:

Sure ISIS and and al Qaeda are problems. Much less so in the past 10 years however. 

Why should a Muslim immigrant have to answer for that, especially since many are coming to Canada to escape such things. See Syrian Refugees. 

That's a pretty easy question to answer Boges.  Terrorist organizations are making explicit efforts to send emigrant agents to the West in order to recruit and encourage violence.  While a peaceful family doesn't have to "answer" for that, that also doesn't mean that we shouldn't be screening carefully and show preference for families with children over single males or whatever.  

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That's a pretty easy question to answer Boges.  Terrorist organizations are making explicit efforts to send emigrant agents to the West in order to recruit and encourage violence.  While a peaceful family doesn't have to "answer" for that, that also doesn't mean that we shouldn't be screening carefully and show preference for families with children over single males or whatever.  

They actually don't need to do that anymore. 

Lots of Muslim Fundamentalism is developed through the Internet. 

Canadians went to fight for ISIS. 

I don't recall any Syrian Refugee committing any acts of Terror in Canada.

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[Moonbox]

I think you're right, but then we did screen them and we did give overwhelming preference to families.  

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

I don't recall any Syrian Refugee committing any acts of Terror in Canada.

 

That's good, because police and RCMP acted in Kingston, Ontario before they could:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kingston-terrorism-anti-immigration-atip-1.5392098

 

 

[taxme]

20 hours ago, Shady said:

Anyone that says we don’t have a culture is an imbecile.  Of course we do.

Maybe you can point out this culture to me? The only culture that Canada has today is a multicultural culture anti-white culture. And the leftist liberal program of today is to pretty much wipe out all British/European culture and history from our Canadian history books. The culture of today in Canada is now all about nonwhite culture. In Canada we do not celebrate white history or culture anymore. The white culture is of course to racist to be celebrated anymore. We are now always being told that white people of Canada have to much white privilege . Hello!!

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

So he did things not because of his Islam Heritage, he did it because he was an Incel. His family was irrelevant. 

He is a certain way because he was raised a certain way. 

Justification to kill is a big part of islamic culture.

There are 30x as many white, non-muslims. 30x as many incels. How many of these homocidal rampages?

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Just a retaliation? Are you justifying it? Those Muslims didn't nothing to anyone. 

It can't be justified. Justified is a horrible word. 

Muslim terrorist attacks killed random Canadians. He killed random muslims. 

As a country we don't consider that justifiable, but you have to be able to understand that he'd have better things to do with his life than kill a group of people that he had no reason to dislike. 

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Cite JT support for any above "terrorists" we mentioned. 

If you couldn't figure this out for yourself that's a joke, but believe it or not there's this:

 

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So they can ignore "Turn the other Cheek" whenever they feel like it. Not very Christian. 

Humans do things for reasons. Sometimes their reason is their religion, sometimes it is because they are human. 

If a person is a Christian and they attack someone just to steal something that isn't 'Christian". If they get attacked and they fight back that's human. 

You can call them failures if you want, but you can't say that their religion told them to do it.

If a group of muslims goes off to kill people to force their religion on them, take slaves, that's part of their religion. 

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So you're saying people pick and choose the parts of religious doctrine that they like? No Shit!

A lot of White Christians forced people into Slavery throughout the past 1,000 years. 

This is just you playing stupid again. This doesn't take exceptional intelligence to be understood.

1) If people pick and choose something that's not part of their religion, that's individual choice. It doesn't reflect on their religion.

2) If people do exactly what their religion tells them, then their choice is a reflection of their religious ideals. 

The number of people forced into slavery by Christians is small compared to islam. It was Christian nations which abolished slavery - Britain and the US led that charge.  

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So why should Moderate Muslims have to answer for that if Christians don't have to answer for White Nationalism or the KKK? Everytime a White guy shoots up a school in the US, should we look into his religious heritage? 

This takes intelligence to understand.

1A) If the leader of a group says do something, and his followers do it, then their actions reflect on the group.

1B) If the leader of a group says don't do something, and his followers do it anyways, then their actions don't reflect on the group. Especially when there are very real, and commonly enforced punishments for those things.

Are you a child-killing pedophile just because Clifford Olson was? He's Canadian too right? No.

If you pay your taxes, like the Cdn gov't tells you to, is your action reflective of being a Canadian? Yes.

Terrorism is part of islam. Moderate Muslims are part of a religion that has always used terrorism to achieve their goals. Mohammed was a violent bigot and he was kicked out of Mecca. He committed a genocide and forced women and children into rape-slavery to get back into Mecca. People who love mohammed are conditioned to accept those behaviours, even if they pretend not to. 

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We just talked about the Quebec City shooting. That's one of the worst terrorist attacks in Canadian History. 

That 'attack' was just not unprovoked. It was done to make people stop doing something illegal and immoral. That doesn't make it justified, but don't compare it to people who are killing just to spread religion. 

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Rue said:

Another day another anti immigrant rant. Immigrants only come here because its "rich" no other phacking reason. You spoke to them all.

The whole bloody third world knows all about Canada now, thanks to globalist comrade Trudeau, and how easy it is to just walk right on in to Canada and get to take advantage of all of the free goodies that Canadian taxpaying suckers have to offer. Dam right Canadians should become more anti-immigration as we are now getting too many of those third world immigrants that are starting to build up their own cultural turf on Canadian soil. Why is that I heard you ask?

Because our dear comrade leaders have told them that they do not have to assimilate into our Western Canadian culture anymore. They have been told that Canada is now a multicultural hodge-podge full of foreign cultures country and there is not much Western culture left in Canada to assimilate into anymore. That Western culture is now being dismantled piece by piece by globalist comrade Trudeau who "phacking" well hates this once great British/European country. Of course comrade Trudeau will leave french Quebec alone as the major plan of all french Canadian prime mistakes of Canada has always been to try and wipe out and get rid of British English Canada.  

Globalist comrade Trudeau is no doubt loving all of this BLM political movement going on now in order to push his anti-white programs and agendas for Canada and Canadians. Comrade Trudeau even bent the knee to the black BLM political movement. How stupid is that a thing to do by a leader of a country? Trump would never commit to do such a cowardly and wimpish act like that. A leader getting down on his knees and asking for forgiveness in front of some black mob because some black guy was shot and killed in America, not Canada,  was a sad and pathetic thing to watch. As each day goes by I find myself beginning to despise this stupid country even more. 

Why some black criminal in America gets so much attention from Canadians is beyond me. I wonder if those same Canadians ever concern themselves over the many innocent people in communist China that are shot and killed by the commie government when they are only asking to be able to be free? Where are the cries for those people in Canada, eh?  I guess the reason for that is that most Canadians are pretty much pro-communist. Hey, we never know, eh? 

[Charles Anthony]

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