Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Fresh off the heels of the Governor letting Spring Breakers congregate on Florida beaches during a Global Pandemic Ron DeSantis is allowing church gatherings despite a State-wide stay at home order. https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-hillsborough/governor-desantis-includes-attending-religious-services-conducted-in-churches-as-essential-services Quote But, section 3 of the order includes "attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues, and houses of worship." This order was clearly designed and worded to provide legal and political cover for reverend Rodney Howard-Browne. We have a public safety issue, nothing is stopping people from following reverend Howard-Browne on his podcast nothing stops them from believing in what he tells them nothing stops them from practicing their religion except to the extent that they create a public hazard or a public danger. And, under these circumstances, I think the order of Hillsborough county was very lawful. legal expert Jeff Swartz said. Out of all the places where this disease can easily spread. . . A church is probably in the Top 5. This is probably one of the more selfish and Godless things someone can do. The church my family like to frequent has gone to doing a Streaming service on Sunday and it's actually quite nice. In this time of separation, we can actually come together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) He has no choice....Florida is not in Canada: Quote First Amendment - Religion and Expression Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Edited April 2, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just when you thought that country couldn't be more stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 It would be better to reach reach herd immunity sooner than later, and people meeting in large groups would help us meet that goal. It will also cull some of the more brain-challenged among us. The tragedy is that they'll take innocent bystanders with them, like retail workers, teachers, doctors and nurses. Perhaps the solution is to enforce quarantine on these people, through ankle bracelets? Or maybe simply charge them with murder if their group becomes an epicenter and others die after contact with one or several of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: Just when you thought that country couldn't be more stupid. Each year, approximately 300,000 Canadian snowbirds prefer stupid Florida to freezing their asses off back home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, dialamah said: The tragedy is that they'll take innocent bystanders with them, like retail workers, teachers, doctors and nurses. Perhaps the solution is to enforce quarantine on these people, through ankle bracelets? Or maybe simply charge them with murder if their group becomes an epicenter and others die after contact with one or several of them. They are not under quarantine. Is all public transit shut down in Ontario ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: It would be better to reach reach herd immunity sooner than later, and people meeting in large groups would help us meet that goal. Noooooo. That would cripple the local healthcare system and drive the mortality rate through the roof. Like seen in New York, Spain and Italy. And not just for COVID-19 patients. Anyone who needs healthcare would get elbowed out of the way by the surge of COVID-19 cases. Cancer, Trauma, Seasonal Flu. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Boges said: ...And not just for COVID-19 patients. Anyone who needs healthcare would get elbowed out of the way by the surge of COVID-19 cases. Cancer, Trauma, Seasonal Flu. . . Nope....hospitals have already learned to segregate COVID patients from others at the facility level. It is "stupid" to mix the two. Elective procedures have been deferred, but emergency medical care remains available. There is more to the world than COVID-19 paranoia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope....hospitals have already learned to segregate COVID patients from others at the facility level. It is "stupid" to mix the two. Elective procedures have been deferred, but emergency medical care remains available. There is more to the world than COVID-19 paranoia. Suuuuure tents and Naval vessels are sure appropriate for cancer care or catastrophic trauma And that's for New York. What happens when multiple cities experience the same surge. . . because idiots can't realize they need to stay home. Any given hospital only has a finite number of ICU beds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Suuuuure tents and Naval vessels are sure appropriate for cancer care or catastrophic trauma And that's for New York. What happens when multiple cities experience the same surge. . . because idiots can't realize they need to stay home. Any given hospital only has a finite number of ICU beds. I don't think you understand or you are purposely being obtuse. Hospitals have learned from China and Europe not to mix COVID patients with the general patient population. Facilities are being designated for COVID-19 whenever possible. COVID-19 patients do not have priority over other emergency care, including births...surge or no surge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Noooooo. That would cripple the local healthcare system and drive the mortality rate through the roof. Like seen in New York, Spain and Italy. But they're preserving religious freedom for those weeks they'd otherwise not be able to meet, right? Isn't that much more important than considering the safety of others and paying attention to experts? Oh wait! I forgot - (some) Christians think this situation is a sign of the imminent end of everybody but them. Never mind: the welfare of the community is the least of these folks' concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Gee.....those stupid people in Ontario are still riding public transit during a pandemic ! Quote Are TTC customers safe to travel on the TTC? Yes. Customers are safe to ride the TTC. We ask that our customers and employees practice good hand hygiene and maintain appropriate distance where possible from their fellow customers/colleagues in accordance with Toronto Public Health recommendations. http://www.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/Safety_and_Security/COVID-19_FAQ.jsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, dialamah said: But they're preserving religious freedom for those weeks they'd otherwise not be able to meet, right? Isn't that much more important than considering the safety of others and paying attention to experts? Oh wait! I forgot - (some) Christians think this situation is a sign of the imminent end of everybody but them. Never mind: the welfare of the community is the least of these folks' concern. The internet allows for people to express their religious freedoms all day every day. When the bible or the US constitution were written it couldn't be comprehended that people could talk and see each other from their homes. ALSO, the early church were just people in their homes, not effin megachurches in arenas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: The internet allows for people to express their religious freedoms all day every day. The U.S. Constitution doesn't give a damn about the "internet" when it comes to First Amendment rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Gee.....those stupid people in Ontario are still riding public transit during a pandemic ! Are you comparing transportation to church? No one is getting on crowded buses or trains in this environment. People are commuting because they have to. For example, health or food workers that don't have cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. Constitution doesn't give a damn about the "internet" when it comes to First Amendment rights. Great! Enjoy your Free, Disease ridden country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Are you comparing transportation to church? No one is getting on crowded buses or trains in this environment. People are commuting because they have to. For example, health or food workers that don't have cars. Of course I am....is the TTC a Charter right ? People want to attend church because they have to...and want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Great! Enjoy your Free, Disease ridden country. We do....and so do millions of Canadians each year. Keep your suppression of civil liberties in Canada, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. Constitution doesn't give a damn about the "internet" when it comes to First Amendment rights. Also, how does the First Amendment deal with Stay at Home orders in general? Because 90% of the US is under one now. Someone going to make a court challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: Just when you thought that country couldn't be more stupid. Yeah, freedom sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Of course I am....is the TTC a Charter right ? People want to attend church because they have to...and want to. Utter Bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Utter Bullshit. I agree...your original contention about Florida churchgoers is "bullshit". Their choice...not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I agree...your original contention about Florida churchgoers is "bullshit". Their choice...not yours. As noted by member dialamah, Darwin may be more a factor here than Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Also, how does the First Amendment deal with Stay at Home orders in general? Because 90% of the US is under one now. Someone going to make a court challenge? 90% of the U.S. is not under such orders. Court challenges are already in play for even things like playing golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Boges said: As noted by member dialamah, Darwin may be more a factor here than Jesus. Too bad....Floridians are not wasting their time worried about "stupid" people riding transit in Toronto, and that's not even for Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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