The Coronavirus

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Kind of flies in the face of the narrative that Social Distancing is a waste of time. 

I don't think anyone is saying that social distancing is a waste of time, but the net effect of the lockdown is gong to be worse than covid-19 if it goes on any longer.

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't think anyone is saying that social distancing is a waste of time, but the net effect of the lockdown is gong to be worse than covid-19 if it goes on any longer.

Well many places are re-opening. 

I just saw a report on the "hated" CNN that said that though rates have increased in Georgia, it's certainly not a crisis level seen in places like Spain, Italy and New York City. They've been open for a month. 

It was predictable that infection rates would go down during the summer. I guess the concern is moving into next year's flu season. 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Boges

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't think anyone is saying that social distancing is a waste of time, but the net effect of the lockdown is gong to be worse than covid-19 if it goes on any longer.

I’ve stopped trying to explain this to people.  I’ve suggested opening everything up but along with practicing mitigation and social distancing, but all the alarmists want to hear is open up.  I’ve literally had to explain with mitigation and social distancing about 15 times in this forum, and people still accuse me of wanting to open up as if there is no virus.  Don’t waste your time.  

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

Because I didn't say that. I said your argument supports continuing our successful social distancing efforts because we've managed to keep the numbers well below biblical proportions. There is no way mass communication was sophisticated enough to nip a virus in the bud back then. It's silly to even try to compare.

This was never going to be of biblical proportions. 

If we didn't social distance, 1,000 years from now they wouldn't even care about the global pandemic of 2019/20 that killed 500,000 people who were 80+ with two or more co-morbidities, along with 10,000 other people. 

On avg, 7,700 people die every day in the US. There would be 893,000 dead people in the US between Jan 31 and May 29 of this year even if there was no Covid. I'll reiterate, that's just the US. On a global scale 500,000 is nothing. It's 1/14,000th of the population. 

This won't stop people like Bill Gates from worrying about overpopulation. 

 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

I’ve stopped trying to explain this to people.  I’ve suggested opening everything up but along with practicing mitigation and social distancing, but all the alarmists want to hear is open up.  I’ve literally had to explain with mitigation and social distancing about 15 times in this forum, and people still accuse me of wanting to open up as if there is no virus.  Don’t waste your time.  

Waahhhhhh!!!!

No one is arguing that things shouldn't start opening up. Well some are. 

What you've explained is a simplistic fairy tale that somehow at risk people could be forced into quarantine while the rest of society moved on like normal. 

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Well many places are re-opening. 

I just saw a report on the "hated" CNN that said that though rates have increased in Georgia, it's certainly not a crisis level seen in places like Spain, Italy and New York City. They've been open for a month. 

It was predictable that infection rates would go down during the summer. I guess the concern is moving into next year's flu season. 

You’re fake news and you continue to post fake news.  That’s why I ignore most of what you post.  It’s garbage.  Regardless, as places open up, there will be slight increases of cases, that’s not the point.  Anyways, Georgia 

 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

On avg, 7,700 people die every day in the US.

This virus is taking, on average, 2,000 people in the US every day. That's a huge chunk of that 8,000. 

[Shady]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Waahhhhhh!!!!

No one is arguing that things shouldn't start opening up. Well some are. 

What you've explained is a simplistic fairy tale that somehow at risk people could be forced into quarantine while the rest of society moved on like normal. 

It’s a bigger fairy tale to insult everyone be forced into quarantine.  And again, nobody is saying society move along like normal.  Are you retarded?  Did you not read what I just said.  Seriously, are you retarded?

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

You’re fake news and you continue to post fake news.  That’s why I ignore most of what you post.  It’s garbage.  Regardless, as places open up, there will be slight increases of cases, that’s not the point.  Anyways, Georgia 

 

Those are rising cases. Just not exponentially rising. 500-1000 cases a day is "rising". 

Those are worse figures than seen in Ontario. 

 

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

This virus is taking, on average, 2,000 people in the US every day. That's a huge chunk of that 8,000. 

More fake news.  The last two days have been around 500.   Do you ever tell the truth?

[Boges]

Just now, Shady said:

It’s a bigger fairy tale to insult everyone be forced into quarantine.  And again, nobody is saying society move along like normal.  Are you retarded?  Did you not read what I just said.  Seriously, are you retarded?

You've been parroting the same shit for weeks. Like you only understand what's going on. 

I'm actually not sure what you're pissed at. Things are slowly opening as cases have stabilized.

The lockdown had to happen. No one wanted to see what happened in Italy and New York. 

But having people gather in large groups is not really a good thing for a little bit. So those types of jobs probably won't come back for a bit. 

And even if they did, people wouldn't exactly flock back. 

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

I’ve stopped trying to explain this to people.

Some people are listening. The people who went to Bellwoods agree. That is why they were there, to speak out with a message. Standing in close proximity to another person is now an offence.

While I cannot prove this without data, I believe the quarantine is a waste of time. For one, we are not quarantining. The grocery stores, liquor and beer were open throughout, and we all mingled there, every single one of us. There is no quarantine by half-measures.

Yet we never heard of outbreaks among the grocery clerks. They are like an experiment unto themselves, and you better believe had there been a correlation it would make big bold headlines. The silence speaks.

Since we have evidence that danger of the virus is age-specific, there is a good argument to be made that the shutdown is completely the wrong step to take. We didn't know at the beginning, ok fine. We know now, and have known for about a month. Every day we wait is one more nail in the coffin for future. Because you know, when we open the lineup for health care will be very, very long. it was already overloaded to the ridiculous, now it becomes lethal.

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Those are rising cases. Just not exponentially rising. 500-1000 cases a day is "rising". 

Those are worse figures than seen in Ontario. 

 

No, the last 6 days have declined every day.  Do you ever tell the truth?

[Shady]

Here’s actual data related to when states opened and how their cases have gone.  It’s not a selected snapshot of a day or two like the mainstream media likes to report on, and then disseminated by our forum fake news specialist.

 

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

No, the last 6 days have declined every day.  Do you ever tell the truth?

I was actually saying that the Georgia situation didn't seem so dire considering they've been open for a month. 

They're still adding cases, just not at an exponential rate. 

[New World Disorder]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

What part of it?

The parts where it progressed the USA' police state!  If you did not complain then, you got nothing to complain about now.

[Shady]

47 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

The parts where it progressed the USA' police state!  If you did not complain then, you got nothing to complain about now.

Again, which part are specifically referring to?  Regardless, at least the patriot act is a law written, debated and passed by a legislature.  It’s not a decree from one individual.

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Well many places are re-opening. 

I just saw a report on the "hated" CNN that said that though rates have increased in Georgia, it's certainly not a crisis level seen in places like Spain, Italy and New York City. They've been open for a month. 

It was predictable that infection rates would go down during the summer. I guess the concern is moving into next year's flu season. 

And gawd only knows what plans are in the works by those same people that pushed this China virus will have for all of us this fall. Something tells me that things might get back to where they are now or even worse. Our politicians are not going to want to give up their power all that willingly. Those thugs and bullies enjoy being able to push people around without anyone fighting back and kicking their arses. Unless social distancing is eliminated we will never be able to get back to normal again. This new normal is for people who are in love with communism. 

Mayor Bill Deblasio of New York City said that on their long Memorial weekend people can go to the beach but they cannot go swimming. Go try and figure that kind of stupid logic out. only lieberals and socialists could come up with something stupid like that to say. Pathetic indeed. The way the democrats are going these days and doing and saying stupid things, Trump will be a shoo in in the next election. Gawd i hope Trump does win. If democrat Biden wins well we will see more and real stupidity and madness at it's best. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, New World Disorder said:

The parts where it progressed the USA' police state!  If you did not complain then, you got nothing to complain about now.

If the people of America and Canada want a police state then they just need to keep voting for democrats and liberals. Those two buffoons love their communism, and are all to willing to give us all a police state if that is what we the people want. Only Trump can save Americans from having a police state ever being set up in America. But here in Canada it will be a lot easier to set up a police state. Why? Because the majority of Canadians are not patriotic enough to careless if it did happen. They could careless as to what goes on in Canada and what our dear comrade leaders are doing to them every day.  They have pretty much all become an all about me-me-me sheeple, and the politicians know this. Our politicians and the media and our health officials can bull shit us with this China virus and get away with it. But hey, this is just Canada, don't you know? An unpatriotic and non nationalist country. Just my opinion of course unless you can show me otherwise which I believe that you will not be able to do. 

[New World Disorder]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Again, which part are specifically referring to?  Regardless, at least the patriot act is a law written, debated and passed by a legislature.  It’s not a decree from one individual.

https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/patriot-act

Which parts are you not familiar with?

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

If the people of America and Canada want a police state then they just need to keep voting for democrats and liberals. Those two buffoons love their communism, and are all to willing to give us all a police state if that is what we the people want.

They certainly do seem to ideologically favour the Nanny-state. They even think people are too stupid to know how to wash their hands.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, New World Disorder said:

https://www.history.com/topics/21st-century/patriot-act

Which parts are you not familiar with?

I’m not familiar with parts of the act that you’re uncomfortable with.

[Independent1986]

I just finished reading an article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/long-term-care-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-trudeau-1.5584960

Military alleges horrific conditions, abuse in pandemic-hit Ontario nursing homes

Are these nursing homes private or run by the government ? Why aren't charges being brought ? Some of these people should be in prison.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Independent1986

[New World Disorder]

1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:

I just finished reading an article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/long-term-care-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-trudeau-1.5584960

Military alleges horrific conditions, abuse in pandemic-hit Ontario nursing homes

Are these nursing homes private or run by the government ?

 

 

There are about 10 long term care homes within a 10 kms of my house. Two more going up and another getting a major expansion. Who knows, but it's probably more of a combo of private run with government 'oversight'.  At this time, I would look into our entire health care system and see what is going on. This is simply shameful.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

Are these nursing homes private or run by the government ? Why aren't charges being brought ? Some of these people should be in prison.

What difference should it make, private or govt run.

The government sets the standards and must enforce them regardless. Private homes are health care centres and must meet the standards as well. If they do not, and yet continue as they have for years and years doing these things, the people to put in prison is the government.

It should be duly noted that these dens of sheer misery have been operating that way for a long time already. When the coronavirus hit, the shutdown, short staff, lack of visits lack of supervision, oversight, standards of care took them right over the brink.

Oh, you mean DoFo and Trudeau didn't know? My my my how naive.