dialamah Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: But I thought I'd play ball and wear one at the grocery store yesterday. But no way in hell am I wearing a mask when I'm outside on a walk! I have asthma and an immune reducing condition called "over 60". If I got the virus, I don't think I'd have a mild version. I wear a mask for shopping and transit, not so much because it, in itself, will stop the virus, but because I notice other people try harder to give me distance. That's a win for me. :). Admittedly, its hard to imagine wearing a mask till there's a vaccine, but I don't want to end up in hospital, on a ventilator, or dead so ... Mask and hand washing seem a small price to pay to avoid that. Quote
dialamah Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 56 minutes ago, Boges said: I'll try my hand at working out at home. We've got a workout area on our covered patio - chin- up bar, TRX, weights, and bench. Works pretty well, and no masks. Don't know if we'll ever go back to the gym, athough I do miss the pool. Quote
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: No, I don’t trust anything they say anymore. There’s a chance that something they say will be true but I have to hear it somewhere else first. Like Sean Hannity or your toaster? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Independent1986 said: 1. I just meant it in a general way not to you personally, I asked if you want more social support in Canada when we have so much here ? It seems sufficient enough. As opposed to the US where it appears most people have only received 1 benefit cheque if they've been lucky since mid March. In the war to save the economy that's basically like rallying your troops over the top at gunpoint. History shows that closing your economy too late and opening it too early hurts more and longer. 5 years after the Spanish Flu cities that did so were experiencing economic growth that was half of that of cities that were more patient. Quote 2. If the solution to economic problems is to just print money, any government that is suffering can buy 20 printers and start printing money. What that does, it decreases the value of that currency. I am already noticing in the grocery stores how slowly the prices are going up. In 6-12 months it will be even worse. That's what happens if you have too much money in circulation. I wouldn't be surprised if that has more to do with just-in-time supply chains breaking down and production going out of whack. Then there is simple addition of more time and overtime required to do what were once simpler and less expensive tasks. Your fears about our printing money only really make sense if one or two countries are doing it in the face of everyone else subscribing to inflation fears during normal times. The fact everyone has to do so at the same time clearly changes things because the value of your dollar yuan or pound is all being carried along in the same tide and in the same direction. The inflation we're talking about is due to the physical shortages of actual goods and disruptions of normal supply and demand. Fishermen around here should be out catching fish right now that usually sells for $13 - 14 a lb but they can't sell it because restaurants are closed. Quote 3. The time being is a perfect opportunity for people to use this crisis to push their agenda. Is busy time for the extremes. The far right is pushing conspiracy theories that Soros, New World Order, Bill Gates did it and far left socialists are saying is time for UBI, free rent, free transportation, free everything. Even moderate politicians like the mayor of Toronto was blaming "men" that don't wear the masks due to "not wanting to look weak". The left is not saying free everything. That's hyperbole. I should be earning almost 3 - 4 times as much right now than I can on the dole. I love my job and wish I could be doing it but it's looking like it may not be doable and at a point in my life and capabilities where that income will be all but impossible to replace without a vaccine or effective treatment. I figure in about 14 months or so I'll have to resort to bending and breaking rules and laws if I want to hang on to what I have. I'm fully prepared to do so. Quote Never ceases to amaze me how human beings can adapt quickly to use tragedies to push their group thinking beliefs, and if these moderate politicians don't focus on maintaining a balance we risk having a dictatorship. Yes every road but yours always lead to dictatorship. It reminds me of why physicists are leery of any answer that points towards infinity which is usually the 1st clue something is wrong in their calculations. Edited May 25, 2020 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 10 hours ago, eyeball said: No I assure you I'm definitely of sound mind and have every intention of seeing to it this crisis is used as an opportunity to make changes in how we conduct our economy. He also cautioned against reducing distancing and to take very significant precautions. Yes you like to repeat that vulnerable populations need to be protected but I believe you're being reckless and that following your advice will get more people killed and prolong the recovery to such an extent it could be pushed out of reach. There's no need to rush and no need to leave anyone behind. Stay the precautionary course and err on the side of caution. Not one expert in the world shares your opinion. Stay under your bed for the duration if that’s how you feel. But stay the fuck out of other people’s lives. Quote
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 Good news. The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html Quote
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Boges said: I think it's more an issue in the US, no one will force you to wear a mask in Canada. . . yet. But I thought I'd play ball and wear one at the grocery store yesterday. But no way in hell am I wearing a mask when I'm outside on a walk! I started wearing one at the store to show some solidarity with the people working in them all day. Now most of them have stopped wearing them so... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Boges Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shady said: Good news. The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html How can that be accurately gauged without broad testing? You have to assume a level of asymptomatic cases AND cases that were dismissed because people thought they just had the flu. Quote
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shady said: Not one expert in the world shares your opinion. Stay under your bed for the duration if that’s how you feel. But stay the fuck out of other people’s lives. I haven't seen a single expert say we should go over top and outside the wire the way you seem to be browbeating people to do. You just get to work and keep paying my compensation if that's how you feel about it meanwhile I'll be out on the deck enjoying a cold beer with my popcorn. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Shady said: Good news. Verifiable 19 times out of 20 and via peer review? Why should I believe the numbers coming out of America any more than China? They both have an agenda. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: Verifiable 19 times out of 20 and via peer review? Why should I believe the numbers coming out of America any more than China? They both have an agenda. Lol, so now the CDC is tantamount to China. You’re a clown. Quote
Boges Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 Just now, Shady said: Lol, so now the CDC is tantamount to China. You’re a clown. Trump probably thinks so. Quote
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, eyeball said: I haven't seen a single expert say we should go over top and outside the wire the way you seem to be browbeating people to do. You just get to work and keep paying my compensation if that's how you feel about it meanwhile I'll be out on the deck enjoying a cold beer with my popcorn. I’ve consistently said open up while practicing mitigation and distancing. If you wear a mask and don’t touch your face before washing your face, you cannot get covid. Quote
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Trump probably thinks so. Not every discussion is about Trump. You need therapy. I hope you get it. Quote
Boges Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 Just now, Shady said: Not every discussion is about Trump. You need therapy. I hope you get it. Sweet Hyperbole. It's not me who's been discrediting the America's scientific agencies. Like refusing to let the CDC make recommended re-opening plans public. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/cdc-replaces-in-depth-reopening-report-with-6-pages-of-trump-friendly-graphics Quote
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 Just now, Shady said: Lol, so now the CDC is tantamount to China. You’re a clown. Go tell it to your Bozo-in-Chief, last time I looked he seemed to think the CDC was part of the Deepstate out to get him. So is Trump flipping on the CDC now or is it flopping? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shady said: I’ve consistently said open up while practicing mitigation and distancing. If you wear a mask and don’t touch your face before washing your face, you cannot get covid. Yeah but Shady when you tell people to stay hidden under their beds your condescending horseshit really sounds a lot like condescending horseshit. It's the most consistent thing that stands out in your posts on the topic. Keep it up though it'll just reduce the number of covidiots while causing smarter people to dig in their heels and keep up the pressure for continued compensation. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: Go tell it to your Bozo-in-Chief, last time I looked he seemed to think the CDC was part of the Deepstate out to get him. So is Trump flipping on the CDC now or is it flopping? Not every discussion is about Trump. You need therapy too. I also hope you get it. Quote
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 Just now, Shady said: Not every discussion is about Trump. You need therapy too. I also hope you get it. No, I just need a cheque thanks. BTW shouldn't you be at work? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yeah but Shady when you tell people to stay hidden under their beds your condescending horseshit really sounds a lot like condescending horseshit. It's the most consistent thing that stands out in your posts on the topic. Keep it up though it'll just reduce the number of covidiots while causing smarter people to dig in their heels and keep up the pressure for continued compensation. When you advocate for lockdowns to continue indefinitely “if necessary “ than you may as well hide under your bed. Flattening the curve was to make sure hospitals weren’t overwhelmed. The curve was flattened, hospitals were never overwhelmed, and are not overwhelmed. Quote
Shady Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 1 minute ago, eyeball said: No, I just need a cheque thanks. BTW shouldn't you be at work? I work every other week, but get paid regardless. But even so, I’d rather go back to working every week. I’ll even wear a mask. Quote
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shady said: When you advocate for lockdowns to continue indefinitely “if necessary “ than you may as well hide under your bed. Flattening the curve was to make sure hospitals weren’t overwhelmed. The curve was flattened, hospitals were never overwhelmed, and are not overwhelmed. Flattening the curve was a tactic used to save as many lives as possible. The strategy is succeeding. Stay the course. Be brave. Canada Strong. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shady said: I work every other week, but get paid regardless. But even so, I’d rather go back to working every week. I’ll even wear a mask. I'll wear a mask too but it's not looking good until we either have a vaccine or a treatment. Until such time as that I expect to be compensated for waiting it out. I don't expect the 3-4 times I can earn working but as I said above I think Canada's social safety net is sufficient and other than your ilk I haven't seen or heard anyone say the effort to sustain it isn't doable. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
New World Disorder Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, Shady said: Not every discussion is about Trump. You need therapy. I hope you get it. According to Trump, it is, because, ratings, the best ratings. Quote
WestCanMan Posted May 25, 2020 Report Posted May 25, 2020 3 hours ago, BubberMiley said: Yes, they weren't able to coordinate widespread social distancing in the time of the Bible. What's your point? Towns of healthy people where almsot everyone is dying = biblical proportions. Towns where no one even knows anyone who died - covid 19. Do you actually know anyone who died? Does anyone you know know anyone who died of covid? On avg 7,700 Americans die every day. Since Jan 31 that's over 800,000 people that would have died in a normal year. A lot of the 100,000 that died from covid would have been part of the 800,000 anyways. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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