Pipeline protestors need to be jailed

[eyeball]

58 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Already does for GHG emissions per capita.   Salute !

So do the moral responsible thing and start boycotting us.

[eyeball]

@ZeitgeistSure, let's do all that at home. Like Mulroney said we clean up our act and then lead by example.

You can start by following my example of advocating for sanctions against provinces that aren't with the program...like BC.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So do the moral responsible thing and start boycotting us.

Eyeball you really are the knight looking for a fight after your limbs have been cut off because, “It’s just a flesh wound.”

I understand your respect for Mulroney on the environment.  He is under appreciated for that.  But the current US administration isn’t listening to Trudeau, probably because he’s Liberal and they’re Trump Republicans (which have veered close to dictatorship).  That’s why I want to see the Dems win in the US or a smart Conservative win in Canada.  We need wise influencers who can meet both economic and environmental goals.  Trudeau has tried to do both and he gets international recognition, but Trump dislikes him and Trudeau has naively empowered some undermining forces in his efforts to be inclusive and on Reconciliation.  Nice sounding ideas with bad consequences, such as the blockades. Harper understood this and didn’t want to throw valuable time, energy, and taxpayer revenue into that black hole money pit.  

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trump Republicans (which have veered close to dictatorship). .  

There's no such thing as a Trump Republican, I'm a Republican and I will throw Trump under the bus as soon as he ceases to be useful

The issue is that the Democrats are loonie tunes, and somebody has to block them from running roughshod over the 1A & 2A

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Eyeball you really are the knight looking for a fight after your limbs have been cut off because, “It’s just a flesh wound.”

If we'd started fighting 30 years ago when we should have we wouldn't have to be as draconian. Unfortunately to much has been put off for too long.

We should have been more alarmist and adamant about the need for action.

[bush_cheney2004]

33 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

...I understand your respect for Mulroney on the environment.  He is under appreciated for that.  But the current US administration isn’t listening to Trudeau, probably because he’s Liberal and they’re Trump Republicans (which have veered close to dictatorship). 

...Trudeau has tried to do both and he gets international recognition...

 

Why would the US "listen" to any Canadian government, especially Trudeau on this "file" ?   It was Obama that canceled the KXL pipeline border crossing despite Harper's threatening ads in the NYT.    The US has fielded much larger protests for a longer period of time because of acute disasters and longer term energy production expansion.  Canada doesn't add anything new to the mix, except for being an easy soft target for American and other foreign protestors with an agenda.

Canada has wrapped itself into knots over pipelines, environmental virtue signaling, and "aboriginals", while the "dictatorship" in the U.S. has actually reduced emissions far more.

Trudeau is internationally recognized as a domestic and foreign policy failure.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trudeau is internationally recognized as a domestic and foreign policy failure.

The Eskimo Communists don't even believe in their own Eskimo Communism anymore

They've all defected from the British Crown to become the farm team for the Democrat Party traitors to the republic

Canada is at war with itself, in lock step with America, the problem for Canada being that America is built to take the pounding while Canada is not

[Zeitgeist]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If we'd started fighting 30 years ago when we should have we wouldn't have to be as draconian. Unfortunately to much has been put off for too long.

We should have been more alarmist and adamant about the need for action.

People respond to facts on the ground over rhetoric.  People feel when their transportation and housing costs rise or when people start losing good jobs much more than when the water level rises a few centimetres and the basements of the historic homes along the water flood.  People care more about how they’re going to afford to pay the bills and raise their families more than they care about speculation on how high global annual average temperatures will rise and how much can realistically be done to reverse the trend, especially when the policies to do so are expensive and possibly ineffective.  It’s not a matter of climate denial as much as economic realism.  We don’t really know how much we are changing the climate and how much we can change it back.  We do directly feel the costs of climate change initiatives, so we have to be careful.  That’s why I only support climate policies that achieve other societal goals at the same time, in case we’re kidding ourselves about having much impact on reversing climate change, and so that we don’t destroy our economy in the process.  

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

 

Trudeau is internationally recognized as a domestic and foreign policy failure.

You could just as easily replace Trudeau with Trump in that sentence.  Trump is quite universally disliked outside the US.  Trudeau is not.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

You could just as easily replace Trudeau with Trump in that sentence.  Trump is quite universally disliked outside the US.  Trudeau is not.  

Canada is a nobody, America is the global hegemon, whether or not the world likes rendering unto American Caesar is irrelevant, it is in their interests regardless.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You could just as easily replace Trudeau with Trump in that sentence.  Trump is quite universally disliked outside the US.  Trudeau is not.  

 

As if that matters.   Difficult issues for a Canada led by Justin Trudeau can not be addressed by pointing at Trump or a "dictatorship" in the U.S., where emissions have been reduced better than in Canada.    But this is what some Canadians do, and have always done.   "Look...over there ! "

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

  But this is what some Canadians do, and have always done.   "Look...over there ! "

An Iron Curtain against American freedom propped up under the rubric of Reb Menace at the gates, same as the Russians.

[Dougie93]

The trajectory is Canada is soft Soviet Union, Confederation was a three legged stool, each leg was as critical as the other

When Keep the Americans Out failed, Confederation collapsed like the Warsaw Pact, but just as in Russia, another criminal state filled the void

The Post National State run by the Eskimo Communist KGB down at the CBC, Trudeau is as much like Putin as anybody

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

An Iron Curtain against American freedom propped up under the rubric of Reb Menace at the gates, same as the Russians.

As you yourself have stated, there are many Canadas.  The GTA has more in common with Chicago than Iqaluit.   It’s not easy to string all these disparate places and interests together, yet the idea of Canada persists as an admired national project attracting people from around the world.  Dump on it if it makes you happy, the way some Canadians dump on the US.  

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

An Iron Curtain against American freedom propped up under the rubric of Reb Menace at the gates, same as the Russians.

 

One of the reasons that protestors and blockades were not removed for two weeks (dialogue and patience) was to avoid exactly that....the appearance of heavy-handed American "style" police force to remove them.

Anti "American style" anything is a winning formula in Canadian politics.

In the end, OPP rolled up in their American style SUV and tactics anyway.  The "Wet" told Trudeau and BC to suck it.

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[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

As you yourself have stated, there are many Canadas. 

But only one Confederation, the Canada's existed before it, they persist now even after its de facto if not de jure collapse

[Zeitgeist]

Kanata persists. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

One of the reasons that protestors and blockades were not removed for two weeks (dialogue and patience) was to avoid exactly that....the appearance of heavy-handed American "style" police force to remove them.

Anti "American style" anything is a winning formula in Canadian politics.

In the end, OPP rolled up in their American style SUV and tactics anyway.

As if American policing was a monolith

Some American police are the LAPD, others are the ones refusing to enforce Red Flag because it is unconstitutional

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

As if American policing was a monolith

Some American police are the LAPD, others are the ones refusing to enforce Red Flag because it is unconstitutional

 

Hey...can't make this stuff up.   Some Canadian protestors think they have "Miranda rights" because they watch so much American television.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Kanata persists. 

Entirely viable without the archaic nanny police state apartheid regime propped up by the Laurentian Elites to their benefit at the expense of the masses

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Hey...can't make this stuff up.   Some Canadian protestors think they have "Miranda rights" because they watch so much American television.

“He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster, when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Hey...can't make this stuff up.   Some Canadian protestors think they have "Miranda rights" because they watch so much American television.

We do have the right to remain silent.  In fact the Incell mass murderer in North York is leaning on those privileges not being provided.  

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We do have the right to remain silent.  In fact the Incell mass murderer in North York is leaning on those privileges not being provided.  

 

Not the same thing...and certainly not derived from the "Miranda" decision in a foreign country.   Protestors should know the difference.

 

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Essentially, no, there are no Miranda rights in Canada. You can be questioned by Police in Canada with no legal representative. The Police do NOT have to read you anything when you are arrested, they do NOT have to tell you that anything you say can be used against you.

 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, mowich said:

LOL.....tell that garbage to the numerous FN bands who are working towards buying the line which I fully and completely support.  As Stephen Buffalo - head of the IRC - stated "“The pipeline, in my view is safe.  When First Nations own it then they can protect it a lot better,” says Buffalo." 

Buffalo says the fact is, in western Canada, oil and gas is all around First Nations and he believes its warranted they participate.

Buffalo says most of the communities are not trying to be “oil rich tycoons” they’re just trying to tackle issues of poverty, the opioid crisis, missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls.

“As we continue forward, 643 First Nations will not see very much increase in their federal funding under the Indian Act. So, we have to find a different way and economic development is probably our only way and for some of our communities it’s being involved in the sector.  And if that means partnering with a US based company operating out of Calgary, that’s what its going to be” says Buffalo."

aptnnews.ca/2020/03/03/energy-sector-advocate-wonders-whos-pulling-the-strings-in-opposing-oil-and-gas-projects-in-canada/

Best you go peddle your mantra to Stephen who I am more than sure will put you in your place in a heartbeat.

Sadly, the pipeline will be bought for the Indians by the Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars. Otherwise, where are these Indians going to get the money to buy and own a pipeline. They have no money. They will not be buying a pipeline. They will be getting a pipeline for free. And then one has to wonder that if and when they do start to make money will they finally start to take their hands out of the taxpayer's pockets? I have my doubts that they will still not stop trying to get tax dollars from Ottawa. Any profits that they may earn from a pipeline will no doubt be all pizzed up against the wall. 

These Indians cannot even run the territory that live on properly. Most look like dumps in most cases. Hundreds of billions of tax dollars given to them for several decades now and all we get to see for our tax dollars is to see poverty alive and well on their reserves. How are they going to run and look after a pipeline? This will be just another farce and boondoggle being played on the taxpayer's of Canada again. But then again, when did the Canadian taxpayer's ever give a real and true chit about where and how their tax dollars are being blown. Canada has become a stupid country and is being run by stupid people. I say dump the Indian Act. Save hundreds of billions of tax dollars and get rid of a useless bureaucracy that is good for nothing. Why not? Works for me. 

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We do have the right to remain silent.

Only under Sections 7 & 11 of the Charter, both of which can be overridden by Section 33