Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: What ever the truth of why the couple want to step down from royal duties and leave the UK you know it must be serious if they'd rather move to Canada in January. Which makes being mad at the press for negative coverage a less likely scenario. Moving to Canada isn't going to get the press off their back anyway, so the move does not accomplish anything if that was the reason they want to leave. If that was the real reason they left, that would encourage the press to double down in fact, as they would smell blood in the water. The whole theory makes no sense. Edited January 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Wrong. White Americans ladies marrying into the Royal Family got it far worse than Markle ever did. Wallis Simpson knows. Just because Meghan is half black doesn't mean that's why the press is critical of her. Wallis Simpson was a huge fan of the Nazis and led to the abdication of the King. Apples and oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Wallis Simpson was a huge fan of the Nazis and led to the abdication of the King. Apples and oranges. That was not why she was unpopular. She was unpopular long before Edward abdicated and the Nazi's had nothing to do with it either. American women dating Royal Family men are frowned upon, you might think that it's a coincidence, but I don't. It's more likely to be a sexist thing than a racist thing, and infinitely more likely to be an Anti-American thing most of all. Some lefties see race under every rock and think this must be about race? Quelle surprise. Edited January 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: That was not why she was unpopular. She was unpopular long before Edward abdicated and the Nazi's had nothing to do with it either. Quote Rumours that Edward Vlll, then Prince of Wales, and future king, had fallen in love with the American divorcee Mrs Wallis Simpson had swirled around high society for some time and were confirmed by gossipy stories cut from foreign newspapers and posted to relatives back home in the UK. For the majority of the British public, the story was unknown, with most seemingly unaware of the constitutional crisis that was brewing. Newspapers in Europe and the United Stated were less muted and even local reporters on the Milwaukee Journal were falling over themselves to tell readers about the story of the American girl and the King: here they even published a piece about the cockamamie attempts of the British to take US newspapers off news stands in London and how pages had been ripped out of Time magazine. The whole world seemed to be in on the story, yet the British press chose to ignore it even though Fleet Street editors knew about the scandal from the start - after all the rakish Edward was known for his indiscretion, and could hardly complain about press intrusion. What really kept the press from reporting on the affair was a gentleman's agreement undertaken by news proprietors who were mindful of upsetting the King. The result was a media blackout.m https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/from-the-archive-blog/2011/dec/09/edward-simpson-affair-press-1936 Not true. Most of the public didn't even know about the relationship until a few weeks before the abdication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Not true. Most of the public didn't even know about the relationship until a few weeks before the abdication. She wasn't popular among those who did know, and she wasn't half black. She got it way worse than Meghan could ever dream of, so enough of this it must be racist crap. It's elitist anti-american snobbery, racism is not under every rock, a person who happens to be part black being criticized does not mean it's because of their race. Edited January 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: She wasn't popular among those who did know, and she wasn't half black. She got it way worse than Meghan could ever dream of, so enough of this it must be racist crap. Harry has spoken out about the racist undertones in the press so enough of this it isn't racist crap. It is clearly one of the reasons behind them wanting to step down from royal duties. Not the sole reason but a contributing factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Harry has spoken out about the racist undertones in the press so enough of this it isn't racist crap. It is clearly one of the reasons behind them wanting to step down from royal duties. Not the sole reason but a contributing factor. Harry can be wrong too. It clearly isn't a reason, because stepping down will not stop negative press coverage, nor "racist undertones". Your theory sucks, it's just the knee-jerk leftist reaction to any criticism whatsoever of a person who isn't 100% white. Edited January 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Harry can be wrong too. It clearly isn't a reason, because stepping down will not stop negative press coverage, nor "racist undertones". Your theory sucks, it's just the knee-jerk leftist reaction to any criticism whatsoever of a person who isn't 100% white. It's clearly a factor and you denying it is just a right wing knee-jerk reaction to accusations of racism.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: It's clearly a factor and you denying it is just a right wing knee-jerk reaction to accusations of racism. Throwing around accusations of racism without any proof, that is something leftists do. Someone is being criticized and they aren't 100% white? Must be racist, there can be no other explanation. Grow up, Iceni. Edited January 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Throwing around accusations of racism without any proof, that is something leftists do. Someone is being criticized and they aren't 100% white? Must be racist, there can be no other explanation. Grow up, Iceni. Plenty of evidence posted in this very thread. I never said there was no other explanation but that it was a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Plenty of evidence posted in this very thread. A few people having racist grievances with Markle doesn't mean that a large chunk of people who have grievances with her are racist. I'm no fan of the media, but calling them racist for negative coverage of Meghan is silly, just because you think she catches more flak than you think she deserves doesn't mean it's because of racism. Wallis Simpson caught more flak than she deserved, and she wasn't black. Edited January 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: Which makes being mad at the press for negative coverage a less likely scenario. Moving to Canada isn't going to get the press off their back anyway, so the move does not accomplish anything if that was the reason they want to leave. If that was the real reason they left, that would encourage the press to double down in fact, as they would smell blood in the water. The whole theory makes no sense. Getting to Vancouver Island is more of a pain than driving about Britain after celebs. After an initial spike, the number of media people who can be spared for this nonsense will fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Who will pay the security costs for hosting them in Canada still remains...Canadians won’t be happy to fork this out of their tax pay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 She didn't like the royal life and living in Britain at all. Can't blame her for that. Harry wanted to break out of the golden cage. Therefore an easy decision to move out. However, this racism-accusation is BS. It is certainly more to do with being a foreigner. Britain is according to most surveys the least racist country in Europe if not in the world. Certainly less than the USA and probably Canada as well. If she wants to experience real racism she should go to Poland or Hungary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) I think Canada paying for security is a moot point now that they have lost their HRH and public funding, Canada should not be in the hook.  I'm not clear on whether or not he will still get the 2 million a year from daddy's Duchy of Cornwall revenue. OK, this says they will still get it.. yikes, 2 million a year for what...    What - me worried says Harry. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902807/Prince-Harry-Meghan-expected-getting-2-3m-Duchy-Cornwall-cash-Charles.html https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51163865  I was a bit worried for them for a while.. Edited January 18, 2020 by scribblet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) On 1/17/2020 at 11:09 AM, kactus said: Even if this true which is questionable as I do not know the background to this. Nevertheless she is the bride to the Royal family and has been subject to racism from day one when she married Prince Harry and became part of the Royal family and all because of her background and her colour of skin...The press in UK is very intrusive. Much more than in US. Prince Harry has had enough of this and understandably like any responsible would chose his wife over his royal family obligations. If she was a white American actress this would not have been the case and she would not be subject to racism. This subject is very sensitive and much talked about in british press. What racism..you and Boges automatically call racism if something negative is said about Markle. Her mix is not the issue her being a pretentious phony is. She married a dim wit thinking it was her ticket to money and found out the life of a Royal is not what she thought and wants to live far better than what she would have in the UK. The Queen handled her perfectly. Buh bye and take the dummy with you. Harry will be divorced in a year and come crying back to Willie and Charlie. She will end up doing porno movies. She comes from the same escort agency as Melania Trump. Both are Epstein call girls. Racism my ass. She is a call girl who got called out. She is no victim just  a diaper rash. Nothing some zinc oxide can not handle. Saint Meaghen, right.  Edited January 19, 2020 by Rue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 I don't follow these celebrities at all so I don't know so I have to ask was Meghan famous in any way before she started dating Harry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 48 minutes ago, -TSS- said: I don't follow these celebrities at all so I don't know so I have to ask was Meghan famous in any way before she started dating Harry? It is very difficult for people outside the royal family and their circle to become part of them especially one that is of mixed race. Added to that is being subject to constant pestering by the British press and media. It happened to Kate Middleton photographed topless in a private island when she was on holiday. Again I stress that british press are much worse than in  US....Prince Harry lost her mum because of the bloody press always on her case. His father who was having an affair with Camilla had a major impact in his upbringing. He has had enough when the press started doing the same thing with his wiife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, -TSS- said: I don't follow these celebrities at all so I don't know so I have to ask was Meghan famous in any way before she started dating Harry? She played a role as an attorney in TV series suits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) I think Piers Morgan says it all pretty succinctly. Spare me your 'patriotic' crocodile tears, Harry - you DIDN'T have to quit. You chose to ditch the Queen, the monarchy, your military comrades and your country… to become a royal Kardashian and keep Meghan happy Oh, I know, I know…the only accepted narrative, certainly on Twitter, is that the mean, beastly, racist media has driven out poor Harry and Meghan with our despicable antics. We shamefully refused to let them lecture us about the environment AND use private jets like taxis! And we had the audacity to think a $500,000 star-studded, baby-shower party in New York was a tad inappropriate given that Harry and Meghan were busy urging us on Twitter that same week to pay more attention to poor people. Oh, and we shockingly suggested that if you’re going to have the taxpayers fork out $3 million on refurbishing your home, you should probably not hide photos and details of your son's birth or stop the public taking your picture at Wimbledon. Yes, the 'bullying' media's treated them appallingly, and it's all because Meghan has a black mother – despite the fact we all fell over ourselves for 18 months to say how fantastic it was to have a bi-racial woman enter the Royal Family. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7907757/PIERS-MORGAN-Spare-crocodile-tears-Harry.html  Edited January 20, 2020 by Argus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Argus said: I think Piers Morgan says it all pretty succinctly. Spare me your 'patriotic' crocodile tears, Harry - you DIDN'T have to quit. You chose to ditch the Queen, the monarchy, your military comrades and your country… to become a royal Kardashian and keep Meghan happy Oh, I know, I know…the only accepted narrative, certainly on Twitter, is that the mean, beastly, racist media has driven out poor Harry and Meghan with our despicable antics. We shamefully refused to let them lecture us about the environment AND use private jets like taxis! And we had the audacity to think a $500,000 star-studded, baby-shower party in New York was a tad inappropriate given that Harry and Meghan were busy urging us on Twitter that same week to pay more attention to poor people. Oh, and we shockingly suggested that if you’re going to have the taxpayers fork out $3 million on refurbishing your home, you should probably not hide photos and details of your son's birth or stop the public taking your picture at Wimbledon. Yes, the 'bullying' media's treated them appallingly, and it's all because Meghan has a black mother – despite the fact we all fell over ourselves for 18 months to say how fantastic it was to have a bi-racial woman enter the Royal Family. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7907757/PIERS-MORGAN-Spare-crocodile-tears-Harry.html  Piers Morgan tends to be the voice of reason on almost everything. Plus he's very entertaining to follow on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Wow. When you have to go to Piers Morgan to defend your argument you really are in too deep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 The Brits will never get tired of gossips about their royals but as for Canadians as soon as the novelty wears off about the royal refugees settling in Canada I can't believe people could care about them very long. After all, from the Canadian view they are foreigners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 20 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: Wow. When you have to go to Piers Morgan to defend your argument you really are in too deep. Evidently you have never learned that an opinion stands on its own merits regardless of who issues it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 2:57 PM, Iceni warrior said: Wow. When you have to go to Piers Morgan to defend your argument you really are in too deep. Can't refute the message, so he attacks the messenger, talk about being in too deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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