The Mob of Ignorance.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, its a logical conclusion of following your idiotic suggestion that only conservatives protect gays.

Only conservatives protect anything.

[eyeball]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Only conservatives protect anything.

You've never been content to just double down have you? 

[dialamah]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

But you're ok assuming that conservatives are.  I get it.

Have you read this thread, or any other thread discussing LGBTQ+?  Conservatives here almost unanimously claim these people are lying, looking for attention, mentally ill, want to victimize children/women, are harmful to society.  These are all the same arguments used against gay people, by the same segment of society, up until gay marriage was legalized.  Some conservatives are still using those arguments against gays, but most have now accepted that gays are here to stay.  They've now become so accepting of gays that the use the same gay rights they fought so hard against as a weapon against Islam and Muslims.

I'm sure they'll follow the same course of action with LGBTQ+ people as well - fight hard against recognizing them, then lose and proclaim their progressiveness to target someone else.

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You've never been content to just double down have you? 

How many cops do you think are Dems in the States, or Libs in Canada? 

I'll give you a hint, no one with half a brain votes for people who denigrate them, incite anger and distrust against them, and then send them out to risk their lives. 

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

That's old testament.  The answer is no.

Oh ya, forgot the apologists "new covenant" , funny I thought the old Testament was Christian doctrine

[Shady]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Oh ya, forgot the apologists "new covenant" , funny I thought the old Testament was Christian doctrine

Not really.  The old testament has nothing to do with Jesus, which is the basis of Christianity.

[SkyHigh]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

Not really.  The old testament has nothing to do with Jesus, which is the basis of Christianity.

Oh ya, silly me, you're right. I've never once heard a Christian talk about adam and eve, or Moses, or Noah. All those churches i went to as a child ( both Catholic and protestant) were just outliers. Come on!

You should actually read the new testament, Jesus himself recognized the old Testament as gods word, not to mention that were it not for prophecy in the old Testament Jesus is not the messiah.

But go ahead continue to cherry pick parts of your anonymous book to justify  belief in your specific supernatural deity

[dialamah]

59 minutes ago, Shady said:

Not really.  The old testament has nothing to do with Jesus, which is the basis of Christianity.

Don't be silly.  Christians still apply parts of the OT when it suits them to do so. 

[Shady]

38 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Oh ya, silly me, you're right. I've never once heard a Christian talk about adam and eve, or Moses, or Noah. All those churches i went to as a child ( both Catholic and protestant) were just outliers. Come on!

You should actually read the new testament, Jesus himself recognized the old Testament as gods word, not to mention that were it not for prophecy in the old Testament Jesus is not the messiah.

But go ahead continue to cherry pick parts of your anonymous book to justify  belief in your specific supernatural deity

I'm not religious.  But you have to understand that Christianity is based on the new testament.

[SkyHigh]

Just now, Shady said:

I'm not religious.  But you have to understand that Christianity is based on the new testament.

Yes Christianity is primarily based on the teachings of Jesus, but the idea that you can disregard the old Testament is patently and demonstrably false, not just open for debate but absolutely untrue. One can and does not exist without the other

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

I'm not religious.  But you have to understand that Christianity is based on the new testament.

Tell that to the people who call themselves Christians and shame, attack, harass and shoot at abortion providers and their patients.  Or those who do not allow gay people into their congregation, or allow women to hold positions of authority.  Not to mention Christians in third world nations who believe that gays should be killed or at least jailed for life, that polygamy is God's will and that honor killings are acceptable when women misbehave. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Tell that to the people who call themselves Christians and shame, attack, harass and shoot at abortion providers and their patients.  Or those who do not allow gay people into their congregation, or allow women to hold positions of authority.  Not to mention Christians in third world nations who believe that gays should be killed or at least jailed for life, that polygamy is God's will and that honor killings are acceptable when women misbehave. 

Why should he?  If he tells it to anyone else he's lambasted as a racist.

[Argus]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

We wouldn't need cops now to protect LGBTQ+ if conservatives didn't promote hatred by saying things like "penis=boy and no penis=girl" and that accommodating them will destroy society. 

Most violence against transgendered comes from their partners or their johns.

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We wouldn't need cops now to protect immigrants if conservatives didn't claim there were too many who don't "fit in" and that they will destroy our culture.

We don't need cops to protect immigrants, and since almost all the violence in the news comes from people of color, and since 70% of people of color are immigrants and the rest their children, then it seems to me what we need cops for is to protect us against immigrants.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Argus

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Tell that to the people who call themselves Christians and shame, attack, harass and shoot at abortion providers and their patients.  Or those who do not allow gay people into their congregation, or allow women to hold positions of authority.  Not to mention Christians in third world nations who believe that gays should be killed or at least jailed for life, that polygamy is God's will and that honor killings are acceptable when women misbehave. 

Oh quit your whining. You've spent your entire time here deflecting, denying and downplaying the extreme violence coming from Muslims towards everyone else, including women and gays.

On a homophobic scale of one to one hundred the Christian world is a three and the Muslim world is a 100 and you could not possibly care less about Muslim homophobia. The same goes for honour killings.

[SkyHigh]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

On a homophobic scale of one to one hundred the Christian world is a three and the Muslim world is a 100

Yet they both share the same holy texts, go figure.

The speed at which a society sheds the veil of darkness religion attempts to shroud them with, has nothing to do with the inherent lack of morality, that they each teach. Western culture advanced as we became more secular, not evolving because of the church but in spite of it

Edited November 13, 2019 by SkyHigh

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Yet they both share the same holy texts, go figure.

Maybe you could point out to me where the Christian world shares the Koran or Hadiths.

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The speed at which a society sheds the veil of darkness religion attempts to shroud them with, has nothing to do with the inherent lack of morality, that they each teach. Western culture advanced as we became more secular, not evolving because of the church but in spite of it

Western culture evolved because even back then the Christian church wasn't as authoritarian and violent, especially towards those who offend moral values or question doctrine, as Islam.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Argus

[SkyHigh]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Maybe you could point out to me where the Christian world shares the Koran or Hadiths.

Western culture evolved because even back then the Christian church wasn't as authoritarian and violent, especially towards those who offend moral values or question doctrine, as Islam.

Again, because we don't live under a theocracy and haven't for hundreds of years.

Which denomination of Christianity are you referring to? ( tens of thousands in North America alone)

My mom grew up French Catholic in small town new Brunswick, the church had no real power yet still told women how to dress and applied corporal punishment for using your left hand (pretty violent and authoritarian to us south paws) 

I could go back a while and talk about the biblical justifications for slavery, a lttle closer with voting rights, and more modern with how the westbourgh baptist church delt with abortion.

Arguing about which is worse deflects from the fact that none of them are good moral guidelines

[dialamah]

11 minutes ago, Argus said:

Maybe you could point out to me where the Christian world shares the Koran or Hadiths.

Mohammed got his ideas from the practice of Christians and Jews at the time, including covering women and stoning for adultery.

14 minutes ago, Argus said:

Western culture evolved because even back then the Christian church wasn't as authoritarian and violent, especially towards those who offend moral values or question doctrine, as Islam.

You've never actually read the Bible or paid much attention to history have you.  Ever heard of the inquisition?  Or the burning alive or drowning of witches?  Or the instruction that if an unmarried woman was raped, she should marry her rapist, but if she was married, the rapist had to pay the husband some amount of money as compensation.  There's plenty of examples of Christian barbarity throughout history, and even today in a few pockets of the world.  Islam is cut from exactly the same cloth.  

[SkyHigh]

2 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Maybe you could point out to me where the Christian world shares the Koran or Hadiths.

You do realize it's an Abrahamic religion right? That Mohammed was just the last in a line of profits that included Jesus?

[Argus]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

Arguing about which is worse deflects from the fact that none of them are good moral guidelines

That's simplistic. Jay-walking and murder are both illegal but they are not the same.

Christianity's prophet was a wandering hippie who preached love. Islam's prophet was a warrior prince who preached killing anyone who refused to submit. Even knowing nothing about them no one would imagine the religions would become equally good or bad.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Argus

[Argus]

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Mohammed got his ideas from the practice of Christians and Jews at the time, including covering women and stoning for adultery.

Where is the Islamic equivalent of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? Jesus was pretty clear about non-violence and loving they fellow man. In fact, if you were to summarize the bible the message would be 'be generous and loving to one another'. If you were to summarize the Koran it would be "Destroy all who refuse to submit."

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You've never actually read the Bible or paid much attention to history have you.

Went to Catholic school.

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

 Ever heard of the inquisition? 

Yes. Have you? Do you know how many were killed? A few thousand over the span of centuries.

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Or the burning alive or drowning of witches? 

Yes, a few hundred over many centuries.

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Or the instruction that if an unmarried woman was raped, she should marry her rapist, but if she was married, the rapist had to pay the husband some amount of money as compensation. 

Are you aware this is still the instruction TODAY in many Muslim states?

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

There's plenty of examples of Christian barbarity throughout history, and even today in a few pockets of the world.  Islam is cut from exactly the same cloth.  

Sure there are examples of historical Christian barbarism, and more cases of historical Muslim barbarism. The point you constantly ignore is that the Muslims are still at it TODAY.

[SkyHigh]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

That's simplistic. Jay-walking and murder are both illegal but they are not the same.

Christianity's prophet was a wandering hippie who preached love. Islam's prophet was a warrior prince he preached killing anyone who refused to submit. Even knowing nothing about them no one would imagine the religions would become equally good or bad.

Yet both are living under mosaic law, go figure.

You've chosen to ignore the posts that give examples of the tyranny committed by the Christian church.

How about Jesus' own words

Mathew 10:34

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Mohammed got his ideas from the practice of Christians and Jews at the time, including covering women and stoning for adultery.

You've never actually read the Bible or paid much attention to history have you.  Ever heard of the inquisition?  Or the burning alive or drowning of witches?  Or the instruction that if an unmarried woman was raped, she should marry her rapist, but if she was married, the rapist had to pay the husband some amount of money as compensation.  There's plenty of examples of Christian barbarity throughout history, and even today in a few pockets of the world.  Islam is cut from exactly the same cloth.  

Christianity, its antecedents in the Old Testament, as well as much Greek philosophy, are the main sources of all that’s progressive in modern western civilization.  All of the best wisdom in this and other fora are mere derivative breadcrumbs of a much greater tradition of canonical wisdom.  Until you recognize the cultural envelope in which you live and the canonical works that built it, your slamming of these traditions comes across as ignorant.  Most humanist atheists would still agree that these traditions have had tremendous influence.  These traditions have been argued over and used to justify war, but they have also been tremendously civilizing forces.   Much of what we value about our free open tolerant democratic society wouldn’t exist without these influences.  

Edited November 14, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Yet both are living under mosaic law, go figure.

You've chosen to ignore the posts that give examples of the tyranny committed by the Christian church.

How about Jesus' own words

Mathew 10:34

What is your general view of religious barbarism today?  21st century religious barbarism.

Is it your contention that Christianity and Islam are equally barbaric today?  What about Hindus and Sikhs?

And Buddhists?  They've killed a few recently.

[Guest PPC2019]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Christianity, its antecedents in the Old Testament, as well as much Greek philosophy, are the main sources of all that’s progressive in modern western civilization.  All of the best wisdom in this and other fora are mere derivative breadcrumbs of a much greater tradition of canonical wisdom.  Until you recognize the cultural envelope in which you live and the canonical works that built it, your slamming of these traditions comes across as ignorant.  Most humanist atheists would still agree that these traditions have had tremendous influence.  These traditions have been argued over and used to justify war, but they have also been tremendously civilizing forces.   Much of what we value about our free open tolerant democratic society wouldn’t exist without these influences.  

In the absence of Christianity the promotion of homosexuality goes unchecked. Meanwhile if your a dude, commenting on one hot girl... They call ya a predator.