The road to 2020

[BeaverFever]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol. I never even heard of half of those things. death panels and re-education camps? What sites are you looking at?

Can you name even one thing I've said that's actually not true...? Didn't think so. 

The list of actual bullshit is every story that CNN ran with over the last 4 years that all of America's biggest morons (and you for some strange reason) got sucked in on. 

"Kavanaugh was a mass-rapist, there's no such thing as Antifa, the protests are 'mostly peaceful', M Brown was a gentle giant who playfully wrestled with store-owners and cops, Trump invented putting kids in cages, Trump called all immigrants animals", etc.

 

Palin doubles down on 'death panels'

By ANDY BARR

08/13/2009 07:05 AM EDT

Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin defended her claim that the Democratic health care proposal would create “death panels” in a statement Wednesday night slamming President Barack Obama.

https://www.politico.com/story/2009/08/palin-doubles-down-on-death-panels-026078
 

Poll: Four in 10 believe in Obama healthcare law ‘death panels’

By Elise ViebeckSeptember 26, 2012 - 03:23 PM EDT

 

About four in 10 U.S. adults believe that President Obama's healthcare reform law will create "death panels" to decide patients' fitness for care, according to a new Associated Press-GfK survey. 

Support for the widely challenged claim has remained steady since 2010, when 39 percent believed "death panels" would result from the healthcare law. Today, 41 percent say the same is true.
 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/258753-poll-four-in-10-believe-in-health-law-death-panels
 

The return of ObamaCare's 'death panels'

By | Fox News

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," July 30, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: There is new evidence to suggest the so-called ObamaCare death panels are in fact alive and well. 
 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/transcript/the-return-of-obamacares-death-panels.amp

 

Bachmann: Obama Wants "Re-Education Camps For Young People" (AUDIO)

Sam Stein

Rep. Michele Bachmann, who has levied the most bizarre and outlandish critiques against President Obama since before he came into office, did not disappoint this weekend.

Appearing on Minnesota radio station KTLK-AM, (h/t Minnesota Independent) the Republican congresswoman expressed her concern that White House was trying to put in place "re-education camps for young people, where young people have to go and get trained in a philosophy that the government puts forward." Furthering the Obama-as-autocrat theme, Bachmann said the youngsters would "then they have to go to work in some of these politically correct forums."

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/bachmann-obama-wants-re-e_n_183552?ri18n=true

 

Ohh and how did I forget that Obama is a secret foreign-born Muslim with a fake birth certificate...Trump was big on that one!  You guys really proved that one didn’t you??   ROTFL 

That’s the problem with you republicans, ever since the Tea Party movement when the party’s evil idiots took over from the evil elites, you guys don’t even keep track of your own lies anymore. Everything you say is just some random bullshit made up on the spot because it serves you in the moment and then most of it’s totally forgotten later.   That’s the thing about your conservative lies: if you spend enough money, you can convince some percent of the population that the world is flat, the moon is made of green cheese and all info to the contrary is part of a vast conspiracy to keep this secret from the public.  But eventually you’ll have to direct your time and money to the next big lie and the your old lies get forgotten   

Also your characterization of how CNN covered those stories is false. As usual. 

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

I am happy right now.....Trump overperformed...Biden underperformed...and Canadian media talking heads are spinning (while they wear poppies) over an American election.

You'll concede it looks like Trump is probably going to lose though? 

Had Biden lost you'd scoff at gains in Ohio, Texas, North Carolina, Georgia and winning Arizona being a Silver Lining. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I am happy right now.....Trump overperformed...Biden underperformed...and Canadian media talking heads are spinning (while they wear poppies) over an American election.

 

Waiting for the epic meltdown of 2020 that will last for years meme-wise.

[Shady]

Heckuva job!

 

[Boges]

The one state that's a bit of a question mark for Biden is Nevada. 

Biden is only up by like 7-8,000, but apparently all the in person votes have been counted and all that's left is Mail-In Votes. 

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/NV.html

Dems are ahead by almost 2:1 in returned Ballots. 

Edited November 4, 2020 by Boges

[Argus]

26 minutes ago, mowich said:

Could not agree more with your take on the nonsensical reliance of the Dems on identity politics, Argus but in that they are no different than justdim and his crew of sycophants who cater to the same crowd.

If Trump had been replaced by any sort of halfway decent Republican candidate I think they'd have won easily.

Then again, if Biden had been replaced by a halfway decent candidate they'd have won easily too. I think he made the same stupid mistake McCain did in attaching a only slightly qualified female VP to the ticket BECAUSE she was female and black. I also think the Democrats believe Black people care more about the race of the candidate than most Black people actually do care. I mean, yes, Obama was a thrill to them, sure. But that's been done now. Now most are more into what policies they're being offered, and Black Americans are more conservative than White Democrats. They care about law and order issues. And the Democrats have failed miserably all year on that.

[Boges]

Wisconsin Secretary of State is saying all the votes have been counted and reported. 

21,000 vote lead for Biden. 

[Argus]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

The one state that's a bit of a question mark for Biden is Nevada. 

Biden is only up by like 7-8,000, but apparently all the in person votes have been counted and all that's left is Mail-In Votes. 

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/NV.html

Dems are ahead by almost 2:1 in returned Ballots. 

If they don't take the senate there's not a lot they can do - other than settle things down, which is at least something. Given the environment of mutual loathing, it wouldn't surprise me if the Republicans decide to refuse to confirm any and all judicial appointments for his entire term.

"No, no, sorry. It's only four years till the next election. We need to let the people decide!"

Edited November 4, 2020 by Argus

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, Boges said:

How so? It was close in Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. Biden took Arizona, that was predictable. 

The Blue Wall Mid-West states would decide, and they are. 

Because they had Biden winning states by 7% and 11% which they might not even win, they almost all had Biden winning Fla, which he lost by quite a bit, etc.

Their inaccuracy at predicting elections also gives reason to question the accuracy of their approval ratings polls, etc. 

IMO they're not real, they're just a tool for influencing public opinion. 

"The blackface scandal hasn't affected Trudeau's approval rating at all" etc.

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Maybe Harris will do better when she takes over.

I'm 100% sure that Xi, Putin and KJU will respect her authoritah.

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

If they don't take the senate there's not a lot they can do - other than settle things down, which is at least something. Given the environment of mutual loathing, it wouldn't surprise me if the Republicans decide to refuse to confirm any and all judicial appointments for his entire term.

"No, no, sorry. It's only four years till the next election. We need to let the people decide!"

You know what? As a Canadian, that's all I care about. If the SCOTUS gets rid of people's healthcare and reverses Roe v Wade, that doesn't effect my life one bit. 

But at least I don't have to look at this awful human on the international stage embarrassing a nation that I actually do like a lot. 

He's also probably going to jail now. 

[Boges]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

I'm 100% sure that Xi, Putin and KJU will respect her authoritah.

Iron Lady 2.0

[DogOnPorch]

Crowder's Live Stream was taken down on various platforms suddenly last night...apparently they didn't like what he had to say...or that he was hogging a million viewers who could have been watching the MSM.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm 100% sure that Xi, Putin and KJU will respect her authoritah.

If it is anything like the respect Trump gets from the rest of the world I'm sure she will resign.  It would be the only honourable thing to do.

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

But at least I don't have to look at this awful human on the international stage embarrassing a nation that I actually do like a lot.

 

Do you think Americans elect presidents based on what you think or want in Canada ?

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Do you think Americans elect presidents based on what you think or want in Canada ?

Nope, but maybe some do care how they're perceived on an International Stage. 

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

Palin doubles down on 'death panels'

By ANDY BARR

08/13/2009 07:05 AM EDT

Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin defended her claim that the Democratic health care proposal would create “death panels” in a statement Wednesday night slamming President Barack Obama.

https://www.politico.com/story/2009/08/palin-doubles-down-on-death-panels-026078
 

Poll: Four in 10 believe in Obama healthcare law ‘death panels’

By Elise ViebeckSeptember 26, 2012 - 03:23 PM EDT

 

About four in 10 U.S. adults believe that President Obama's healthcare reform law will create "death panels" to decide patients' fitness for care, according to a new Associated Press-GfK survey. 

Support for the widely challenged claim has remained steady since 2010, when 39 percent believed "death panels" would result from the healthcare law. Today, 41 percent say the same is true.
 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/258753-poll-four-in-10-believe-in-health-law-death-panels
 

The return of ObamaCare's 'death panels'

By | Fox News

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," July 30, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: There is new evidence to suggest the so-called ObamaCare death panels are in fact alive and well. 
 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/transcript/the-return-of-obamacares-death-panels.amp

 

Bachmann: Obama Wants "Re-Education Camps For Young People" (AUDIO)

Sam Stein

Rep. Michele Bachmann, who has levied the most bizarre and outlandish critiques against President Obama since before he came into office, did not disappoint this weekend.

Appearing on Minnesota radio station KTLK-AM, (h/t Minnesota Independent) the Republican congresswoman expressed her concern that White House was trying to put in place "re-education camps for young people, where young people have to go and get trained in a philosophy that the government puts forward." Furthering the Obama-as-autocrat theme, Bachmann said the youngsters would "then they have to go to work in some of these politically correct forums."

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/bachmann-obama-wants-re-e_n_183552?ri18n=true

 

Ohh and how did I forget that Obama is a secret foreign-born Muslim with a fake birth certificate...Trump was big on that one!  You guys really proved that one didn’t you??   ROTFL 

That’s the problem with you republicans, ever since the Tea Party movement when the party’s evil idiots took over from the evil elites, you guys don’t even keep track of your own lies anymore. Everything you say is just some random bullshit made up on the spot because it serves you in the moment and then most of it’s totally forgotten later.   That’s the thing about your conservative lies: if you spend enough money, you can convince some percent of the population that the world is flat, the moon is made of green cheese and all info to the contrary is part of a vast conspiracy to keep this secret from the public.  But eventually you’ll have to direct your time and money to the next big lie and the your old lies get forgotten   

Also your characterization of how CNN covered those stories is false. As usual. 

To be honest, death panels are real enough, but it's not just Obama and Obamacare that do it. Insurance companies make choices on what drugs and treatments to cover as well. Do you think Canada's medical covers you from any possible eventuality? Nope. Not at all. 

No matter how good anyone's intentions are, saving everyone from everything is not even remotely an option in any medical system. 

If you spend too much time keeping elderly patients alive after successive heart surgeries you're spending time and money that you don't have when you need to save a sick child or improve their quality of life. Do you give a guy a 3rd triple bypass surgery? A 4th? A 5th? At some point you have to draw an actual line.

Drs always make decisions about whether or not to invest their time in trying to save lives or let them go. It's not like they can just do everything in their power to save everyone who's sick or hurt. 

I wouldn't criticize Hannity for being wrong about the existence of such a panel, that panel has to exist. I'd be more critical for him questioning the rationale behind it, or for giving them the sensational title.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Nope, but maybe some do care how they're perceived on an International Stage. 

 

Some do, but more don't.    Americans are not Canadians, and should not be perceived through Canadian "values".  

You, your country, and many others are intently watching our election...Americans do not intently watch Canadian elections.   See the difference ?

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Some do, but more don't.    Americans are not Canadians, and should not be perceived through Canadian "values".  

You, your country, and many others are intently watching our election...Americans do not intently watch Canadian elections.   See the difference ?

Well then enough were just tired of this Orange Idiot then. 

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Some do, but more don't.    Americans are not Canadians, and should not be perceived through Canadian "values".  

You, your country, and many others are intently watching our election...Americans do not intently watch Canadian elections.   See the difference ?

If Canada's population was ten times that of the US I suspect you'd be watching rather closely...

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

Well then enough were just tired of this Orange Idiot then. 

 

Some were....others doubled down on Trump.    That is their choice....not yours.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Argus said:

If Canada's population was ten times that of the US I suspect you'd be watching rather closely...

 

Not for certain....I don't watch Chinese or Indian elections either.

[Argus]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not for certain....I don't watch Chinese or Indian elections either.

They're not ten times your size and not on your border. And most of your trade isn't with them. Most of your trade would be with Canada if we were ten times your size.

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

They're not ten times your size and not on your border. And most of your trade isn't with them. Most of your trade would be with Canada if we were ten times your size.

 

But Canada isn't ten times our size, and never will be.   China is our #1 trading partner now...not Canada.   And the U.S. is far less dependent and far more diversified for trade than Canada.    That's why you watch....that's why it matters...not "Canadian values" about being loved so much in the world.

Edited November 4, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But Canada isn't ten times our size, and never will be.   China is our #1 trading partner now...not Canada.   And the U.S. is far less dependent and far more diversified for trade than Canada.    That's why you watch....that's why it matters...not "Canadian values" about being loved so much in the world.

I didn't watch last night. I'm not watching now. I certainly keep track of it since I'm something of a political junky (I think we all are here). As far as I'm concerned the guy I hope wins is the one more stable and less likely to lash out indiscriminately at his neighbours, as well as pose a challenge to the world's bad people. But I generally prefer countries I like fare well, so I was happy Labour didn't win the British election too. I wouldn't like to see Australia ruled by a berserk misfit either.