Canada needs to stop being China's bitch

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Soy...and over 2,000 Boeing airliners.   How many has Canada sold to China ?

The Bombardiers did okay.  Just had to work it through Europe.  

[Owly]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Ya think ?!    But even I know that Canada will not do anything of the sort.  

Canada has become more independent and expanded since Trump has pissed off a number of it's major trading partners. How's trade with fat kim going these days?

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Would California be able to do all of that?  California is bigger than Canada.  

 

Dude...even tiny Israel could kick Canada's ass.

There is just no political appetite or will to ramp up defence spending to the necessary levels.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Bombardiers did okay.  Just had to work it through Europe.  

 

Bingo...had to work it through Airbus/Europe.    Smells like "bitch" to me.

[Owly]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Dude...even tiny Israel could kick Canada's ass.

There is just no political appetite or will to ramp up defence spending to the necessary levels.

 

Too bad you have to rely so heavily on your Military Industrial Complex to keep the economy "healthy"

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Dude...even tiny Israel could kick Canada's ass.

There is just no political appetite or will to ramp up defence spending to the necessary levels.

 

I’d never trade Canada for Israel, living constantly under the threat of attack, fighting over narrow strips of land, accepting a form of apartheid, militarizing to the hilt for survival, including conscription.  The Holy Land is quite an oxymoron.  

Edited April 1, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Owly said:

Too bad you have to rely so heavily on your Military Industrial Complex to keep the economy "healthy"

 

Somebody has to tow your broke dick ships back to port.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’d never trade Canada for Israel, living constantly under the threat of attack, accepting a form of apartheid, militarizing to the hilt for survival, including conscription.  The Holy Land is quite an oxymoron.  

 

You make such comparisons a lot...it is very telling.    Israelis and Americans usually don't exhibit such doubt or questioning about their country.

Do you need such routine reassurance ?

Edited April 1, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

You make such comparisons a lot...it is very telling.    Israelis and Americans usually don't exhibit such doubt or questioning about their country.

Do you need such routine reassurance ?

I’m just trying to raise your self-awareness because if Canadians have a smugness hazard Americans have an immodesty hazard. 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m just trying to raise your self-awareness because if Canadians have a smugness hazard Americans have an immodesty hazard. 

 

...and that's OK.   Why can't you accept the differences...the good and bad ?

China is also uninterested in Canada's smug virtue signaling and human rights superiority, even as it continues to hose "aboriginals".

Get down to business and leave all that crap at the door.

Edited April 1, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Owly]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Somebody has to tow your broke dick ships back to port.

Hey you need to have something to do with all the zillion dollar junk.

[bush_cheney2004]

Interesting cartoon from 2013....

 

https://radiofreethinker.wordpress.com/tag/canada-china-foreign-investment-promotion-and-protection/

[betsy]

On 3/27/2019 at 10:55 AM, Argus said:

BEIJING — China said Wednesday it suspended a second major Canadian canola exporter over alleged safety concerns, further deepening a diplomatic row set off by Canada’s decision to detain a top executive with telecom giant Huawei.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said China’s actions were “scientific and reasonable,” but added that Canada should “take practical measures to correct the mistakes it made earlier” in the bilateral relationship.

As I have noted on this site earlier, China pays no attention to rules, laws or agreements unless it suits them. People might remember they already blackmailed Canada by threatening canola imports a couple of years ago. When we gave in they signed an agreement promising the trade was safe until 2020. This simply shows how little the word of the Chinese government is worth. And in their latest arrogant pronouncement they make it quite clear this is being done as punishment for us not releasing their corrupt princess arrested due to Huwai's corrupt financial and trade practices.

The reason the Chinese feel free to keep hitting us is because our wimpy, useless selfy loving prime minister and his government haven't got the spine to stand up to them. The kind of people running China will ALWAYS bully, prod and push everyone else to get anything they can. They will never stop until someone stands up to them. Thus far we haven't even begun to approach doing so. Whether it's illegally arresting Canadians in China, flooding Canada with fentanyl, cheating on trade, or breaking agreements, China is a country not to be trusted, a country which understands power and only power.

We currently export about $27 billion in mostly agricultural and raw materials to China. But we import over $75 billion in goods, mostly manufactured goods. That is a strong lever to use, and we should do so. Whatever the export loss of Canola, we should double it, and outright ban the import of that amount of Chinese goods, starting with things made in Canada or otherwise easily replaced, like steel, sports equipment, and automotive parts and equipment. We should outright ban Huawie from operating in Canada at all on any level, right down to their cell phones, cut back on Chinese students allowed into our schools, ban all money coming from China for research at our universities, and end Chinese immigration to Canada. If China retaliates we should double the amount of Chinese goods banned. We should also subject every vessel arriving from China to a thorough, top to bottom inspection for fentanyl on the grounds that all the fentanyl in Canada comes from China. And if that means Chinese ships backed up all the way to Hawaii - I'm fine with that.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-must-develop-a-backbone-in-its-dealings-with-china/

 

I'm tired of so many low-quality products coming from China!

Edited April 1, 2019 by betsy

[cannuck]

17 hours ago, Argus said:

Do you deny that the more economically dependent a country is on China the more vulnerable it is to blackmail and extortion? China is not a country like others. It has no independent businesses. Every business we trade with is a government operation one way or another, and none can be trusted.

The Chinese do not trade with anyone unless they see it as being in their interest. Since they trade with us to the tune of over $100 billion they clearly see it as in their interest. 

Bingo.  Like trading with the US, but moreso (softwood lumber, for instance being a soft version of the wood that the Chinese will shove up our ass).

Just think back to BSE:  the Yanks simply ducked the problem by not LOOKING for it in their herds, whereas we boy scouts openly reported everything we found (BTW coming from the US feed) and took it on the chin.  BUT:  China has one regard for Canada they do NOT share with the USA - trust.  In China, as in MENA and many other places, we are a TRUSTED trading partner/exporter - thus a huge advantage

Edited April 1, 2019 by cannuck

[cannuck]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

 

I'm tired of so many low-quality products coming from China!

Then, what I challenge you to do is DO NOT BUY THEM.  It is not that hard to do, and you will pay more (up front) but not likely over the long haul.

[Argus]

12 hours ago, egghead said:

Don't be stupid; if blueprints alone works, you will still hear "China 2025." China completely back down since ZTE. BTW, none of the Comac C919's parts are MIC 

I'm not sure what that is in English, but there have been numerous reports that China's design of its stealth fighter was greatly aided by its acquiring a variety of plans for the F-35 through espionage.

[Argus]

12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Soy...and over 2,000 Boeing airliners.   How many has Canada sold to China ?

Curious about that. Boeing has sold them 2,000 airliners? How many were made in the US, with American workers and parts vs how many were made in China with Chinese workers and Chinese built parts?

Edited April 1, 2019 by Argus

[egghead]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I'm not sure what that is in English, but there have been numerous reports that China's design of its stealth fighter was greatly aided by its acquiring a variety of plans for the F-35 through espionage.

Sorry for not making myself clear; I mean "if you judge a book by its cover, you might lose couple hours."

[Altai]

Are you disturbed by being bitch or being bitch of China ? 

[bush_cheney2004]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

Curious about that. Boeing has sold them 2,000 airliners? How many were made in the US, with American workers and parts vs how many were made in China with Chinese workers and Chinese built parts?

 

Hard to say exactly...China has been making parts for Boeing going back to a relationship established after Nixon flew in on a 707 back in 1972.    The Boeing 737 finishing plant just opened in 2018.   Before that, all 737's were assembled in Washington state from parts sourced in the U.S. and other nations, including Canada. About 20% of Boeing revenue comes from China...where it shares the market with Airbus about equally now.

 

 

The main point is that Pierre Trudeau opened up China before the USA, but Canada has not been able to capitalize as much (e.g. Bombardier) and now seems to be going backwards with Justin Trudeau.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/12/17/boeing-delivers-its-first-737-max-completed-in-chi.aspx

Edited April 1, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Zeitgeist]

I think there should be incentives to businesses to seek alternative markets to China, especially where offshoring jobs is concerned. China doesn’t follow rule of law, they trample on human rights, and their businesses have the unfair advantage of being essentially state backed, not to mention the low wages and cheap, poor labour conditions.  I’d rather work with smaller, less totalitarian countries.  Superpowers keep playing unfair in this might is right atmosphere. 

[Argus]

35 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Hard to say exactly...China has been making parts for Boeing going back to a relationship established after Nixon flew in on a 707 back in 1972.    The Boeing 737 finishing plant just opened in 2018.   Before that, all 737's were assembled in Washington state from parts sourced in the U.S. and other nations, including Canada. About 20% of Boeing revenue comes from China...where it shares the market with Airbus about equally now.

And is Boeing actually allowed to repatriate that revenue or profits or is it required to reinvest it in China?

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think there should be incentives to businesses to seek alternative markets to China, especially where offshoring jobs is concerned. China doesn’t follow rule of law, they trample on human rights, and their businesses have the unfair advantage of being essentially state backed, not to mention the low wages and cheap, poor labour conditions.  I’d rather work with smaller, less totalitarian countries.  Superpowers keep playing unfair in this might is right atmosphere. 

 

There are many other markets and incentives besides China, and nations like Canada are not above state backing for corps (e.g. Bombardier), mandatory offsets, crown corporations, protectionism, dumping, and IP theft.   China is not going away, and is now a major player in the world economy.   Whatever Canada rejects will be gladly replaced by other nation(s).

Edited April 1, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

There are many other markets and incentives besides China, and nations like Canada are not above state backing for corps (e.g. Bombardier), crown corporations, protectionism, dumping, and IP theft.   China is not going away, and is now a major player in the world economy.   Whatever Canada rejects will be gladly replaced by other nation(s).

There will always be whores willing to take a buck to prostitute themselves, yes. China cheats freely at trade and no one seems willing to do anything about it. Including the United States. You guys have been China's bitch for a lot longer than we have. With no end in sight.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

And is Boeing actually allowed to repatriate that revenue or profits or is it required to reinvest it in China?

 

Yes, but treated the same as any other revenue from many nations around the world.

From a practical point of view, Boeing chooses to re-invest profits in China to grow the business there, same as Airbus.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/680130/revenue-of-boeing-globally-by-region/