Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Doesn't even know what the EC is, but is sure it serves no purpose anymore and has to go. Not atypical of most EC haters. The good news is there are people in the US who do understand why it needs to be gone, unlike yourself, and lets hope they succeed so people will perhaps feel more inclined to vote. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Owly said: The good news is there are people in the US who do understand why it needs to be gone, unlike yourself, and lets hope they succeed so people will perhaps feel more inclined to vote. Go ahead, go on believing the EC is decided by who wins the most voting districts in the House of Representatives, and not who wins the most popular votes in an entire state. But for those who look into it, they know you are talking out of your ass. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owly said: The good news is there are people in the US who do understand why it needs to be gone, unlike yourself, and lets hope they succeed so people will perhaps feel more inclined to vote. Not going to happen....they will not succeed under current rules to change the U.S. Constitution. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed...he doesn't understand what the EC is, the 12th Amendment that changed it after the 1800 election, or why it was created in the first place. Don't understand or don't comply with your interpretation? Hey it got your wingnut into the white house regardless of 3million voters who didn't want him there. I can see why you'd continue to glom onto the process, otherwise your buddy Trump would be still trying to settle his debts. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not going to happen....they will not succeed under current rules to change the U.S. Constitution. Don't they need two-thirds of the congress, two thirds of the senate, and two thirds of the states to agree in order to make that happen? Fat chance. Good luck with that, butthurt Demohacks, you're gonna need it. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not going to happen....they will not succeed under current rules to change the U.S. Constitution. Yeah they are not going through the process of trying to change the constitution. There are other ways. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: Don't understand or don't comply with your interpretation? Hey it got your wingnut into the white house regardless of 3million voters who didn't want him there. I can see why you'd continue to glom onto the process, otherwise your buddy Trump would be still trying to settle his debts. I didn't even vote for Trump...I voted for a third party that you claim doesn't even exist. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Owly said: Yeah they are not going through the process of trying to change the constitution. There are other ways. No there isn't. Have to change the constitution to get rid of the EC, the EC is in the Constitution. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Don't they need two-thirds of the congress, two thirds of the senate, and two thirds of the states to agree in order to make that happen? Fat chance. Good luck with that, butthurt Demohacks, you're gonna need it. Harder than that...three quarters of the states ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: No there isn't. Have to change the constitution to get rid of the EC. Correct....EC will be around for quite some time. Individual states could change how votes are apportioned (like Maine and Nebraska) Edited March 27, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 How do you get rid of something that is in the constitution, without changing the constitution? Would love to hear owly try and explain that one. Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Don't they need two-thirds of the congress, two thirds of the senate, and two thirds of the states to agree in order to make that happen? Fat chance. Good luck with that, butthurt Demohacks, you're gonna need it. I always get a kick out of the alt. right types when their arguments start to fail they resort to making up silly nomenclature to try to fight back. This taxme guy here seems to do that a lot. Funny. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Owly said: I always get a kick out of the alt. right types when their arguments start to fail they resort to making up silly nomenclature to try to fight back. This taxme guy here seems to do that a lot. Funny. Don't need the nomenclature, I have the arguments, but the nomenclature adds a little spice. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: How do you get rid of something that is in the constitution, without changing the constitution? Would love to hear owly try and explain that one. Can't get rid of it, but states can apportion votes if approved by Congress. But political parties do not want to risk losing big state winner take all electors like California. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: How do you get rid of something that is in the constitution, without changing the constitution? Would love to hear owly try and explain that one. You do it by state law. Simple Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Can't get rid of it, but states can apportion votes if approved by Congress. But political parties do not want to risk losing big state winner take all electors like California. They could but they can't decide the president by popular vote aggregated across every state, unless every single state agreed, and then they could just change the constitution. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Owly said: You do it by state law. Simple Every state would have to agree to the national popular vote deciding who the president is by that method. Most of the states already award the EC votes of their states by popular vote across the entire state anyway, only two states award them by districts, and they don't have many electoral votes. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: They could but they can't decide the president by popular vote aggregated across every state, unless every single state agreed, and then they could just change the constitution. No need to change the constitution. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: They could but they can't decide the president by popular vote aggregated across every state, unless every single state agreed, and then they could just change the constitution. That's the problem...the Supreme Court would likely find that it violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Maine and Nebraska are the only states that apportion EC votes by popular vote. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Looks like TRUMP ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's the problem...the Supreme Court would likely find that it violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Maine and Nebraska are the only states that apportion EC votes by popular vote. Connecticut has recently joined and I think that makes an even dozen. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: No need to change the constitution. The Electoral College is in the Constitution. Can't get rid of it, if it's still in the constitution. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: The Electoral College is in the Constitution. Can't get rid of it, if it's still in the constitution. Correct...the EC would still exist as originally designed. Can't get rid of it without a change. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: The Electoral College is in the Constitution. Can't get rid of it, if it's still in the constitution. Don't have to get rid of it, just go around it. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Just now, Owly said: Don't have to get rid of it, just go around it. Going around it is harder than getting rid of it, and getting rid of it is hard enough. /shrugs If a bunch of states would rather apportion their EC votes based on the way the entire country voted, instead of just how their state voted, while pretty much every other state apportions their votes based on who the voters of the state voted for, that's going to play into Republicans hands. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
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