Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: If Canada only had two parties, you can still win without gaining the majority of votes, you just need enough votes in the enough ridings, the popular vote is irrelevant in Canada too. You're catching on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Owly said: Typical American arrogant assumption. So off you go to bed. Â Correct...even your Green Party leader was born a U.S. citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) First Past The Post isn't decided by popular vote and neither is the Electoral College. That's a good thing. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Â Correct...even your Green Party leader was born a U.S. citizen. Correct. We are not so narrow minded as to limit the people who are allowed to run for office to those who happened to be born here. Such limitations ends you up with twits like Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: First Past The Post isn't decided by popular vote and neither is the Electoral College. That's a good thing. so what is your idea as to what decided EC votes? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Owly said: Correct. Â Of course I'm correct....Senator Ted Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship ! Trump still destroyed him...and all the others too. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Owly said: so what is your idea as to what decided EC votes?  Whoever wins the most votes in a state is awarded a number of points, whoever scores the most points becomes the President. The National Popular Vote totals does not determine the President, nor should it. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 And getting back to Trump, which is what this thread is supposed to be about, I will be interested to hear out of the Mueller report, that even though anything Trump did did not rise to the level of indictable, what slightly lower level did it rise to. Lets open that file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Owly said: And getting back to Trump, which is what this thread is supposed to be about, I will be interested to hear out of the Mueller report, that even though anything Trump did did not rise to the level of indictable, what slightly lower level did it rise to. Lets open that file. You're going to be disappointed when they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Â Of course I'm correct....Senator Ted Cruz renounced his Canadian citizenship ! Trump still destroyed him...and all the others too. Â Ted headed into the swamp, and that's where he belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: Ted headed into the swamp, and that's where he belongs. Ain't hard to stay in the swamp when the competition is Beto O'Rourke, especially in Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Whoever wins the most votes in a state is awarded a number of points, whoever scores the most points becomes the President. The National Popular Vote totals does not determine the President, nor should it. The point is EC votes may or not reflect the popular vote. They didn't in 2016, although that wasn't the first time. It's an antiquated system that needs to be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Owly said: And getting back to Trump, which is what this thread is supposed to be about, I will be interested to hear out of the Mueller report, that even though anything Trump did did not rise to the level of indictable, what slightly lower level did it rise to. Lets open that file. Â Don't waste your time....sitting U.S. presidents cannot be indicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Owly said: The point is EC votes may or not reflect the popular vote. They didn't in 2016, although that wasn't the first time. It's an antiquated system that needs to be gone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It does what it was designed to do, and that function is still quite valuable today. The EC shouldn't always reflect the popular vote, that isn't a problem. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: The point is EC votes may or not reflect the popular vote. They didn't in 2016, although that wasn't the first time. It's an antiquated system that needs to be gone.  Says who ? You ?  From Canada ?  Seriously ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Â Don't waste your time....sitting U.S. presidents cannot be indicted. Only while they're sitting. I'm sure he is paying Guilliani big bucks to sit beside him in case 2020 goes bad for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Owly said: Only while they're sitting. I'm sure he is paying Guilliani big bucks to sit beside him in case 2020 goes bad for him. It won't go bad for him. Don't have to be Usain Bolt to outrun the Democrats in 2020, that's a cakewalk, especially for an incumbent POTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: Only while they're sitting. I'm sure he is paying Guilliani big bucks to sit beside him in case 2020 goes bad for him.  So what ?  Donald Trump will always be the 45th President of the United States...and Hillary Clinton will never be U.S. president.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It does what it was designed to do, and that function is still quite valuable today. The EC shouldn't always reflect the popular vote, that isn't a problem. Except it is broke, it's biased by gerrymandering, and it's totally outdated. It had a purpose when it was brought into being, but that was a long time ago. Wherever people live in the US they can now be aware of what's happening in Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:  So what ?  Donald Trump will always be the 45th President of the United States...and Hillary Clinton will never be U.S. president.  And you have my permission to bow down to the Donald. Hopefully he won't grab you while you're down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Owly said: Except it is broke, it's biased by gerrymandering, and it's totally outdated. It had a purpose when it was brought into being, but that was a long time ago. Wherever people live in the US they can now be aware of what's happening in Washington. It's not outdated, it served a purpose then, it serves a purpose now. People being aware of what's happening in Washington has nothing to do with the Electoral College. It's purpose is so that people in major cities can't so easily drown out the voices of those who live in more rural areas as they would under a popular vote. The entire point of the EC is that the founders didn't want a popular vote to decide who gets to be President. The President is supposed to be the President of all Americans, not just the President of the majority of voters in the big cities, who can easily ignore the needs of people in flyover country. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owly said: And you have my permission to bow down to the Donald. Hopefully he won't grab you while you're down there.  Don't need your permission....or bow to a monarch.   Trump keeps winning...and there is nothing you can do about it but watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: It won't go bad for him. Don't have to be Usain Bolt to outrun the Democrats in 2020, that's a cakewalk, especially for an incumbent POTUS. Well as I've already said, if the educated young folk get off the couch and go vote, which they are saying they will do, Trump is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Owly said: Well as I've already said, if the educated young folk get off the couch and go vote, which they are saying they will do, Trump is done. They always say that, and they never do. Millenials aren't going to kill Trump, they just think they are. They are going to be very disappointed. Trump ain't done, as usual, reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated by wishful thinkers. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: Well as I've already said, if the educated young folk get off the couch and go vote, which they are saying they will do, Trump is done.  Where were they in 2016 ?    Trump is just getting started ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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