Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: It's not outdated, it served a purpose then, it serves a purpose now. People being aware of what's happening in Washington has nothing to do with the Electoral College. It's purpose is so that people in major cities can't so easily drown out the voices of those who live in more rural areas as they would under a popular vote. The entire point of the EC is that the founders didn't want a popular vote to decide who gets to be President. The President is supposed to be the President of all Americans, not just the President of the majority of voters in the big cities, who can easily ignore the needs of people in flyover country. It is outdated but more importantly is is fixed in favor of Republicans. If they want to keep it they should square it up. With Trump in power that's not likely to happen now is it. Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Don't need your permission....or bow to a monarch. Trump keeps winning...and there is nothing you can do about it but watch. Watch, laugh, and be so happy that we have that border. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Owly said: It is outdated but more importantly is is fixed in favor of Republicans. If they want to keep it they should square it up. With Trump in power that's not likely to happen now is it. Nope...it is fixed in favour of Americans...for over 200 years. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Owly said: It is outdated but more importantly is is fixed in favor of Republicans. If they want to keep it they should square it up. With Trump in power that's not likely to happen now is it. It is not fixed in favor of Republicans. The Republicans used to do well in cities, and the EC played to Democrats advantage when the South was their stronghold. The Democrats have simply decided they'd now rather do well in the cities, then exploit the fact that winning more rural states is a more efficient way of winning the EC, and Republicans adopted the Democrats old strategy. Nothing is stopping Republicans or Democrats from changing strategies to exploit rural voters punching above their weight in the EC, in fact it has happened in the past. Both parties know the rules, crying when one side loses by claiming they won a metric that doesn't matter, is just being a sore loser. The EC isn't broken, but the butthurt losers who want to change the system, every time a Republican POTUS doesn't win the popular vote, they are broken. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Where were they in 2016 ? Trump is just getting started ! Ah, they didn't vote. If they do so this time, Trump should begin packing up whatever trivia he will have brought to the oval office. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: Watch, laugh, and be so happy that we have that border. Agreed...the border is a very good thing. So you really do agree with Trump after all. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Owly said: Ah, they didn't vote. If they do so this time, Trump should begin packing up whatever trivia he will have brought to the oval office. They voted....and lost. Fun to watch them cry on YouTube videos. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope...it is fixed in favour of Americans...for over 200 years. Nope, in favor of Repubs. You do understand the term gerrymandering do you? Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: It is not fixed in favor of Republicans. The Republicans used to do well in cities, and the EC played to Democrats advantage when the South was their stronghold. The Democrats have simply decided they'd now rather do well in the cities, then exploit the fact that winning more rural states is a more efficient way of winning the EC, and Republicans adopted the Democrats old strategy. Nothing is stopping Republicans or Democrats from changing strategies to exploit rural voters punching above their weight in the EC. They both know the rules, crying when your side loses by claiming you won a metric that doesn't matter, is just being a sore loser, the EC isn't broken, but the butthurt losers who want to change the system are. You think it's "butthurt" to want to allow the majority of the people have their say? I suggest you go live in Afghanistan. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owly said: Nope, in favor of Repubs. You do understand the term gerrymandering do you? Doesn't apply in the EC. You are talking about house districts, which aren't part of the EC. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Owly said: Nope, in favor of Repubs. You do understand the term gerrymandering do you? Gerrymandering by both parties has no direct impact on presidential elections, except for apportioned votes in Maine and Nebraska. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed...the border is a very good thing. So you really do agree with Trump after all. I must inform you he is talking about a different border. Perhaps geography isn't yout strong suit. Look south. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owly said: You think it's "butthurt" to want to allow the majority of the people have their say? Yes...the U.S. is a constitutional republic...not a pure democracy. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: I must inform you he is talking about a different border. Perhaps geography isn't yout strong suit. Look south. Like I said....you like borders just like Trump. I thought so ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...the U.S. is a constitutional republic...not a pure democracy. In fact, the founders hated pure democracy, and decided to set up a constitutional republic, in part to prevent it from becoming a pure democracy, the EC is integral to that. 1 Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Doesn't apply in the EC. You are talking about house districts, which aren't part of the EC. Yes it does. When you can redraw borders that will favor your party thats called gerrymandering, and it has been shown to work well. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Democracy is two wolves and a sheep, voting on what's for dinner. In this analogy the wolves are the big cities, the sheep are rural communities, and the EC is designed to protect the sheep from the wolves. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Owly said: Yes it does. When you can redraw borders that will favor your party thats called gerrymandering, and it has been shown to work well. The state borders haven't been redrawn in quite a while, by Democrats or Republicans. You don't know what you are talking about. The last time the state borders were redrawn, I'm pretty sure the Democrats were the one benefiting from the EC anyway, not Republicans, but that can change over time, and it hasn't had anything to do with gerrymandering. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: The state borders haven't been redrawn in quite a while, by Democrats or Republicans. You don't know what you are talking about. Nothing to do with state borders. Voting districts. Apparently you are the one lacking knowledge of the issue. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Owly said: Nothing to do with state borders. Voting districts. Apparently you are the one lacking knowledge of the issue. The EC has everything to do with state borders. Voting districts do not impact the EC, they impact the house of representatives, and they aren't the same thing. Edited March 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Owly said: Nothing to do with state borders. Voting districts. Apparently you are the one lacking knowledge of the issue. No...that is not how the EC works. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Like I said....you like borders just like Trump. I thought so ! I prefer intellectual borders as opposed to "big, beautiful, lovely, hugely big"....steel walls. Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Doesn't even know what the EC is, but is sure it serves no purpose anymore and has to go. Not atypical of most EC haters. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owly said: I prefer intellectual borders as opposed to "big, beautiful, lovely, hugely big"....steel walls. The U.S. Congress preferred steel walls....long before Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Doesn't even know what the EC is, but is sure it serves no purpose anymore and has to go. Not atypical of most EC haters. Agreed...he doesn't understand what the EC is, the 12th Amendment that changed it after the 1800 election, or why it was created in the first place. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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