Argus Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 I can only imagine they decided the best defense was a good offense, and that this subject would endear them to the NDP voters they're desperately trying to hold on to. So Trudeau's Somalian immigration minister picked a fight with Ontario's new government over Ontario's demand for the feds to step up and pay more of the $174 million it has cost them so far this year to feed, cloth and shelter the illegal immigrants crossing the border from the US. In fact, Ahmed Hussen seemed to actually be taunting Lisa Macleod when he said her attitude was 'uncanadian' given he was a Somali illegal immigrant himself. Hussen accused Ontario of using false language to describe the migrants as queue jumpers, even though that's exactly what they are, and said it was 'irresponsible, divisive, fearmongering and un-Canadian." It is, of course, none of those things. It is entirely accurate and honest- adjectives he, as a Liberal, has no familiarity with. Early, he had also objected to Ontario calling them illegal immigrants, even though, of course, that is precisely what they are.Hussen lied about Canada's international obligations, lied about them not being illegal, and lied about them not being queue jumpers, and given his previous job was as an immigration lawyer, he knows very well he was lying. In fact, Canada is under no obligation to even allow these people into the country since they are coming from a safe third country, and in fact, the more 'refugee's we accept in a year, the fewer actual honest immigrants we take. Refugees might well be processed in a different line, but the lines join up in the end, and they push in front of those who have waited years following the normal route of applying to come to Canada. Hussen seems to be relying on that time-honored habit of the less qualified, less capable, less intelligent members of ethnic and racial groups to bleat about intolerance and xenophobia any time they don't get their way or anyone disagrees with them. Which is , I suppose, what we would expect from one of Trudeau's affirmative action cabinet ministers. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/immigration-asylum-seekers-hussen-macleod-1.4746622 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paxamericana Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Call it what they want but that's exactly what happens. They're jumping the line, decreasing the amount of legal immigrants, the ones you actually want and need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Yes, it would seem that Ahmed Hussen's big mouth could be a big political liability for election season. It's good to see the thin veneer of Trudeau's all welcoming policies get shredded by domestic realpolitik. Doug Ford...Making Ontario Great Again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Hussen is biting off more than he can chew. Now, he's got 2 feisty politicians taking him to task. Conservative MP Michelle Rempel and MPP Lisa MacLeod are going at him. If he thinks he's got the upper hand here, he is mistaken. Quote Ontario’s minister responsible for immigration has demanded an apology from federal Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen for saying the province is promoting fear about asylum seekers. “Maybe the minister should sit down and have a nice cup of tea, calm down a little bit and maybe phone me and apologize for calling me unCanadian,” Lisa MacLeod said Friday. Federal, provincial and territorial ministers were meeting in Winnipeg to discuss immigration issues when Hussen was asked about Ontario Premier Doug Ford demanding that federal government pay millions to provide supports for asylum seekers. Ford has said the federal government is ushering people across the border and asylum seekers, whom he calls “illegal border crossers,” have caused a housing crisis in Ontario. Hussen said the new premier’s messaging is irresponsible. “It’s divisive. It’s fear-mongering and it’s not Canadian. It’s very dangerous,” Hussen said. “Ontario sadly has chosen the language of fear. They’ve chosen to intentionally use language that could potentially criminalize asylum seekers in the minds of Canadians.” --- MacLeod said she thought the minister was acting mean-spirited towards her personally. “His answer was directed at me to try and intimidate me,” she said. “And I will not be intimidated.” --- Conservative immigration critic Michelle Rempel accused Hussen of denigrating rhetoric and name-calling. The federal Conservatives have called for an emergency meeting of the citizenship and immigration committee. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-minister-demands-apology-over-asylum-seekers-comments-from/ Very dangerous applies more to the Liberal plan for dealing with the illegal migrants debacle which is of their doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes, it would seem that Ahmed Hussen's big mouth could be a big political liability for election season. Indeed. He also brought negative press to the Liberals by attending an event in a known criminal establishment. Quote Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen spoke at venue known as criminal hangout https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-immigration-minister-ahmed-hussen-spoke-at-venue-known-as-criminal/ Trudeau's puppet masters must be mortified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted July 14, 2018 Report Share Posted July 14, 2018 Oh boy. Rempel rises up to the challenge. Quote Michelle Rempel, the federal Conservatives’ immigration critic, tweeted her support for MacLeod, and slammed Hussen’s “disgusting” behaviour. “He is a bully, who tries to shut down scrutiny of Trudeau’s failure to address the illegal border crossing crisis with name-calling, insults, and condescension. This is no way to build a compassionate immigration system,” Rempel wrote. https://globalnews.ca/news/4331043/ontario-immigration-ahmed-hussen-lisa-macleod/ Normally, it is Liberals who call Conservatives bullies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzKillington Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Trudope no doubt thought it was a great virtue signal to appoint a Somali to be Minister of Immigration. Oh, he's so dreamy and progressive! Thank god somebody is standing for the rights of native Canadians. Lisa MacLeod is right of course, it is semantics. Thank god she told him to eff off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 19 hours ago, capricorn said: Oh boy. Rempel rises up to the challenge. https://globalnews.ca/news/4331043/ontario-immigration-ahmed-hussen-lisa-macleod/ Normally, it is Liberals who call Conservatives bullies. She'd be better off calling him out as a liar, pointing out that we have no international obligations - which he knows full well, and that these refugees, if accepted, will most certainly be jumping the queue on those people who try to go through the legitimate immigration queue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 The Trudeau regime is not doing it's job, many of the gov't sponsored refugees are not doing so well, but large families are doing very well with the very generous child benefit. Most are still struggling not finding work or integrating but some are still managing to sponsor their relatives. The gov't sponsored these people they should be doing a follow up and reporting back - so much for the openness and transparency we were promises. Sunny ways https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-trudeau-government-goes-silent-on-syrian-refugees Once in power, Trudeau’s Liberals switched the name of the Immigration Department to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, to highlight their concern for those forced to leave chaotic home countries, especially Syria. Given the grand gestures, you would be forgiven for believing the federal Liberals and the department responsible for refugees would be tracking the fate of the tens of the thousands of struggling Syrians that Canada has recently taken in. But, after more than two weeks of inquiries by Postmedia, a media relations officer acknowledged the department has not produced any report in almost two years on the about 50,000 Syrian refugees now in Canada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 The Trudeau government calling legitimate criticism of their failed border policy UnCanadian is nothing but a slap in the face to every Canadian who wants to see their government do a better job addressing illegal border crossing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, scribblet said: The Trudeau government calling legitimate criticism of their failed border policy UnCanadian is nothing but a slap in the face to every Canadian who wants to see their government do a better job addressing illegal border crossing There's nothing more typically Canadian these days than right-wing conservatives conflating clearly legitimate refugees from a war torn country with refugees whose illegitimacy is still in question. You avoid recognizing a refugees rights like you do housework. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 There's nothing more typically liberal today than a far left liberal who seems to care more about illegals than regular Canadians. The illegal border crossers we are talking about are not legitimate refugees, they are coming from a safe country (even if you think Trump isn't safe) . They are queue jumpers plain and simple, regardless of how much housework I do. Each illegal border crosser costs about $100K to house, feed,administer, give legal asylum trials and appeals process etc Taking an estimate of around 50,000 illegals that equal about $5B. We know the great majority are not refugees so will eventually be refused after costing us billions. That is, unless the Trudeau regime manages to change the rules allowing them all to stay. Of course, now that Trudeau has got the tens of thousands of Syrian refugees in for votes, he doesn't care about them anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, eyeball said: There's nothing more typically Canadian these days than right-wing conservatives conflating clearly legitimate refugees from a war torn country with refugees whose illegitimacy is still in question. You avoid recognizing a refugees rights like you do housework. You're on a slippery slope on this. Is it not the right of any Canadian to question or criticize any government policy? You seem to believe that unquestioning fealty to the sitting Liberal government is the only acceptable position. Further, most of those crossing illegally (yes, it's illegal to cross anywhere but at an authorized entry point, as the signs along the border point out) from the U.S. into Canada are simply migrants. They can't file refugee claims here until they're on Canadian soil at which point they become refugee claimants rather than refugees. The most recent flows seem to be dominated by migrants from countries that are not today war torn. Finally, as some lawyers have noted, Canada doesn't have a legal obligation to guarantee those crossing from the U.S. asylum as applicable international law requires such migrants to claim refugee status in the first safe country they reach (see article at link below). The fact that the U.S. system is more stringent than ours doesn't render it illegitimate. Our laws and processes are at present more permissive and lenient than international law requires. Maybe the current situation should be taken as a lesson on why we must change our system. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trudeau-is-exaggerating-what-international-refugee-law-compels-canada-to-do Edited July 17, 2018 by turningrite 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, scribblet said: There's nothing more typically liberal today than a far left liberal who seems to care more about illegals than regular Canadians. What I care about is that we insist on having the opportunity to send our corporations around the world in search of greener pastures while blocking human beings from doing the same. We're people too after all. There's nothing more typical than a right-wing conservative who puts wealth ahead of people. The consequences and angst this is now producing is what we get and deserve for building a one world economy without a one world government to check and balance that economy's effects. I hope you choke on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, turningrite said: You're on a slippery slope on this. Is it not the right of any Canadian to question or criticize any government policy? Hey, when I was questioning the wisdom of globalizing the economy all conservatives could do was laugh their stupid asses off while making references to Pol Pot and Stalin. Conservatives can go fuck themselves. This is the world they wanted and now they're crying? Music to my ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Nothing more typical than a far left Liberal who thinks a one world gov't is better than our own democracy and standard of living. Orwell:wrote 1984 as a warning, not as a guide book for liberals. Human beings can come to Canada cannot legally, millions do, you are now conflating illegal migration with legal immigration which Canada has always welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centerpiece Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) The first wave of thousands of illegal crossers were from Haiti - because Trump announced that Haiti would be considered safe again after the 2011 earthquake and the TEMPORARY sanctuary program would soon be ending in 6 months or so. That would give them time to prepare to return home. It's seldom reported that Canada also had a temporary sanctuary program for Haitians which was terminated in August, 2016 under.....wait for it.....Justin Trudeau!!!! But thanks to Trudeau's stupid, virtue signalling tweet, Haitians all headed to the border - crossing illegally to avoid being sent back. Link: https://torontosun.com/2017/08/09/canada-in-fact-removed-special-status-for-haitians-long-before-the-us/wcm/287a6f1a-46cf-43b4-b4de-ac3d2595215b Quote On Dec. 1, 2014, the Government of Canada released a public notice stating it was winding down this program. “In acknowledgement of the improved conditions in Haiti,” the notice read, “the Government of Canada (has) lifted the temporary suspension of removals.” The government eventually gave Haitians an extra year-and-a-half to apply for residency in Canada, but the program was fully rolled back in August 2016 – under the watch of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. After a thorough review of country conditions, the government decided that Haiti was stable and safe enough to suspend the program. ........................................................... But Canada routinely rejects most asylum claims filed by Haitians. In the first half of 2015, the last year data is available, the acceptance rate for asylum claimants from Haiti was only 38%. Rather than clarifying misinformation about our immigration laws, Trudeau is reinforcing these myths. His government’s welcome wagon is misleading Haitian migrants and giving them false hope about their future in Canada. Edited July 17, 2018 by Centerpiece 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Centerpiece said: It's seldom reported that Canada also had a temporary sanctuary program for Haitians which was terminated in August, 2016!!!! But thanks to Trudeau's stupid, virtue signalling tweet, Haitians all headed to the border - crossing illegally to avoid being sent back. Thanks for pointing this out....Trudeau ended protected temporary status for Haitian refugees before Trump was ever elected ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: Hey, when I was questioning the wisdom of globalizing the economy all conservatives could do was laugh their stupid asses off while making references to Pol Pot and Stalin. Conservatives can go fuck themselves. This is the world they wanted and now they're crying? Music to my ears. It's not really an effective debating strategy to hold that because you think others are exaggerating their case you too can do so. According to polling, two-thirds of Ontarians (and probably an equal proportion of Canadians in general) agree with Ford's position on this issue. Obviously, a great many of these people are not Conservative partisans. And Canadians have never been afforded much say about immigration and refugee policy as the political compact (sometimes referred to as a "consensus") in Ottawa has largely precluded public debate. But when a specific policy is so clearly wrongheaded as is the current approach to the migrant problem, is it really wise to denigrate those who oppose your position? What you really appear to be saying is that Canadians can go f*** themselves, right? This appears to have been the consensus position among our federal politicians on immigration for quite some time. But once the pandora's box that is immigration and refugee policy is opened, can it be shut? Progressives have walked right into this with their eyes closed. Edited July 17, 2018 by turningrite 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, turningrite said: What you really appear to be saying is that Canadians can go f*** themselves, right? More to the point, Canadians, along with everyone else can get their stupid countries off my planet. It's 2018 ffs, it's long past time to grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, eyeball said: More to the point, Canadians, along with everyone else can get their stupid countries off my planet. It's 2018 ffs, it's long past time to grow up. Maybe you'd be happier living on Mars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, scribblet said: Orwell:wrote 1984 as a warning, not as a guide book for liberals. He warned against factions morphing into. dictatorships. Human beings can come to Canada cannot legally, millions do, you are now conflating illegal migration with legal immigration which Canada has always welcomed. Nope, I'm saying people matter more than money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, turningrite said: Maybe you'd be happier living on Mars? That's probably still too close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, eyeball said: What I care about is that we insist on having the opportunity to send our corporations around the world in search of greener pastures while blocking human beings from doing the same. So if we do any business with the Saudis we have to fling open Canada's doors to everything Saudi? Let their extremist brand of Islam have full reign in Canada? No thanks. Just because I shop at Sobey's for groceries, doesn't mean all their employees are entitled to enter my home anytime they feel like it and do anything they want. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted July 17, 2018 Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Maybe those who believe in open borders should try leaving their front door open, see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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