Canada should renounce democracy

[Zeitgeist]

No, don’t slash taxes that pay for important Canadian priorities.  Driving up deficits isn’t the answer.  The U.S. is behaving irresponsibly by driving up it’s debt, but it’s buffered by the dependence of China (which holds much U.S. debt) on the U.S. as a market for Chinese made goods.  If things got really ugly in a trade war between the U.S. and China, China could simply dump U.S. debt, a nightmare scenario for the U.S.   Another protection the U.S. has that Canada does not is that commodities are priced in U.S. dollars, a great hedge for the U.S., as commodities would still be affordable for Americans if there was a modest depreciation in their currency. Canada cannot risk having massive deficits, nor should it dismantle the institutions and safety net which give Canada a high ranking on the U.N.’s Human Development Index (higher than the U.S.).  

No, the best policy for Canada is to moderately and strategically increase its military spending in support of NATO, which is obliged to defend its members if they are attacked.  Canada makes other important non-military contributions that create security and stability and are larger contributions than those made by the U.S. and some of its other NATO partners, such as to the acceptance and resettlement of refugees.  These contributions must be taken into account. 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No, don’t slash taxes that pay for important Canadian priorities.  Driving up deficits isn’t the answer.  The U.S. is behaving irresponsibly by driving up it’s debt, but it’s buffered by the dependence of China (which holds much U.S. debt) on the U.S. as a market for Chinese made goods.  If things got really ugly in a trade war between the U.S. and China, China could simply dump U.S. debt, a nightmare scenario for the U.S.   Another protection the U.S. has that Canada does not is that commodities are priced in U.S. dollars, a great hedge for the U.S., as commodities would still be affordable for Americans if there was a modest depreciation in their currency. Canada cannot risk having massive deficits, nor should it dismantle the institutions and safety net which give Canada a high ranking on the U.N.’s Human Development Index (higher than the U.S.).  

 

Actually the Chinese are pretty cornered in this trade fight. Their economy is slowing, ours is as strong as ever. We're not dependent on export, they are. The rest of Europe and the free world are waking up to their predatory economic policies and are less apt to trade with them then what trump proposed which is free trade. They're more or less cornering them selves. Trump is simply raising the stake whilst offering a way out. Typical Trump tactics. 

[Zeitgeist]

Yes China and many countries have been individually more dependent on trade with the U.S. than the reverse.  Collectively however, countries impact the U.S. economy as combined total U.S. exports.  Also keep in mind that soon China will have a large domestic market for the goods it produces.  This market will grow and become more significant to the Chinese economy than the U.S.   In fact, these emerging large markets can become export markets for U.S. goods, but not if these countries set up trade barriers or boycott U.S. goods. That’s why Trump has to be careful not to alienate allies.  He’s playing a short, dangerous game.  In the end, the post-war alliances that placed the U.S at the centre, such as NATO, may be the last bastions of U.S. hegemony.  

[paxamericana]

39 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes China and many countries have been individually more dependent on trade with the U.S. than the reverse.  Collectively however, countries impact the U.S. economy as combined total U.S. exports.  Also keep in mind that soon China will have a large domestic market for the goods it produces.  This market will grow and become more significant to the Chinese economy than the U.S.   In fact, these emerging large markets can become export markets for U.S. goods, but not if these countries set up trade barriers or boycott U.S. goods. That’s why Trump has to be careful not to alienate allies.  He’s playing a short, dangerous game.  In the end, the post-war alliances that placed the U.S at the centre, such as NATO, may be the last bastions of U.S. hegemony.  

I'm not too worried. If china does adopt free-trade and plays by the rule then it'll be for the benefit of everyone, like I said, the strategy is to encourage them to play by the rules. But if they do continue on their current route china will isolate itself. The game is rigged against them. I believe you'll hear good news in august, most of the free-world are starting to warm up to Trump's trade deal. He's simply expediting the process by raising the stakes (less money to lose the faster an agreement is made).

Oh don't worry about us, our hegemony isn't going anywhere. We're always a step ahead of the competition. That's how confident I am. 

Edited July 12, 2018 by paxrom

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada's democracy sure does spend a lot of time worrying about the United States...even more than itself.

For reasons that I don't understand, Canadian media frets over a Supreme Court nominee in a foreign nation....why ?

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.....no new funding...ya baby that's supporting those troops …..when are we going to wake up.....

When they finally get around to simply conscripting you.

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Justin had no intentions in keeping this agreement, SO why did he sign on to it....has he kept any of his promises.....

Has any politician?

[GostHacked]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada's democracy sure does spend a lot of time worrying about the United States...even more than itself.

For reasons that I don't understand, Canadian media frets over a Supreme Court nominee in a foreign nation....why ?

Trumps spent a lot of time complaining about Canada.

[Jimwd]

13 hours ago, Army Guy said:

WOW, now that is the answer isn't , don't like what you here, it's time to pack them up and ship them off.....

I though  my suggestion was their decision to move to where they are happy. I don't recall shipping anyone anywhere..Although he suggested people like me should move to Cuba or venezulea..Perhaps you could point it out for me. 

[paxamericana]

5 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Trumps spent a lot of time complaining about Canada.

If the leader of the free world is complaining about Canada then he must be trying to save Canada from it self, like a true American hero, no Canadian thanks are needed.

Edited July 12, 2018 by paxrom

[Zeitgeist]

For different reasons, the U.S needs Canada no less than Canada needs the U.S.   

[paxamericana]

48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

For different reasons, the U.S needs Canada no less than Canada needs the U.S.   

Ah yes you say that but actually the "trump" card that canada had since the first nafta negotiation is no longer valid. 

The US has since the first nafta negotiation become energy, economically, geopolitically independent. As proven by Trump, able to project power anywhere in the world at anytime and of our choosing. Sorry Canucks we don't really need you as much as you need us. 

Not even China and the EU can stop our domination...muahahaha oops freudian slip. Wanted to sound evil for once, being the good guys is boring everynow and then.

 

"It appears that the United States is now much more comfortable with its own and other energy sources and is no longer concerned with assured access to Canada’s energy resources to the extent that it feels no need for this provision. The proportionally provision was a controversial concession for Canadians in the 1989 FTA and it may be a relief to take it off the table. At the same time, in the context of its own national interest, the energy concession in return for continental integration of free trade again meant enhanced security. It meant the economic security of a privileged place inside the commercial umbrella of the world`s biggest economic power. And binding independent third-party dispute settlement was the key that convinced Canada`s leaders that they had the tools to mitigate against the worst vestiges of the consequent growth of economic dependence—that, and the explicit acknowledgement by the United States of Canada`s agricultural and cultural sensitivities. The bargaining chip of energy no longer appears to be Canada’s “trump” card."

http://www.slaw.ca/2018/07/12/aluminum-nafta-negotiations-a-new-era-of-global-trade/

Edited July 12, 2018 by paxrom

[Zeitgeist]

Well the U.S. also wants Canada’s energy and resources, yes, but more than that, it needs Canada for cover.  Without Canada and countries like it as allies, the U.S. can be a bitter pill for the rest of the world and for Americans to swallow, as much as I like the U.S.   The U.S. is on the cusp of becoming an axis type fascist power in the eyes of the international community.  I’m more worried about the moves the U.S. makes than Canada right now because Canada has been fairly consistent.  The U.S. is volatile right now on a number of fronts, although in some ways this has happened before: race riots, Vietnam, Civil War, Iraq, and so on.  

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well the U.S. also wants Canada’s energy and resources, yes, but more than that, it needs Canada for cover.  Without Canada and countries like it as allies, the U.S. can be a bitter pill for the rest of the world and for Americans to swallow, as much as I like the U.S.   The U.S. is on the cusp of becoming an axis type fascist power in the eyes of the international community.  I’m more worried about the moves the U.S. makes than Canada right now because Canada has been fairly consistent.  The U.S. is volatile right now on a number of fronts, although in some ways this has happened before: race riots, Vietnam, Civil War, Iraq, and so on.  

Nonesense, we've been consistently evil since day one. Canada was just holding us back. It's time you embrace the dark side canada.

Edited July 12, 2018 by paxrom

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well the U.S. also wants Canada’s energy and resources, yes, but more than that, it needs Canada for cover.  Without Canada and countries like it as allies, the U.S. can be a bitter pill for the rest of the world and for Americans to swallow, as much as I like the U.S.  

 

So is that why more immigrants have gone to the U.S. than to any other nation, including lots of Canadians ?    The U.S. is so bitter, lots of Canadians go there each winter to escape from Canada.

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The U.S. is on the cusp of becoming an axis type fascist power in the eyes of the international community.  I’m more worried about the moves the U.S. makes than Canada right now because Canada has been fairly consistent.  The U.S. is volatile right now on a number of fronts, although in some ways this has happened before: race riots, Vietnam, Civil War, Iraq, and so on.  

 

That's right...the USA is the same as it ever was.   Nothing has changed, and there is nothing Canada can do about it except being less dependent on the U.S. economy.

Edited July 12, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[Zeitgeist]

It’s about more than the U.S. economy. We have a place down there that we’re seriously considering selling.  Many Canadians are struggling with whether to visit and spend money in the U.S. or on its products because of current U.S. policy. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

It’s about more than the U.S. economy. We have a place down there that we’re seriously considering selling.  Many Canadians are struggling with whether to visit and spend money in the U.S. or on its products because of current U.S. policy. 

 

I know...many poor conflicted Canadians are being forced to face their economic hypocrisy.   Others not so much, because it has always been this way.   Did you just realize this because of Trump ?

[paxamericana]

13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s about more than the U.S. economy. We have a place down there that we’re seriously considering selling.  Many Canadians are struggling with whether to visit and spend money in the U.S. or on its products because of current U.S. policy. 

What ever you do I would hold onto those US dollar. The Canadian pesos are about to get real if NAFTA doesn't work out. 

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by paxrom

[bush_cheney2004]

Maybe Americans will start boycotting Canada's democracy because of all the social injustice against First Nations, "visible minorities", disabled veterans, and harp seal pups !   Then there is all that disgusting, filthy bitumen for tarsands mining and environmental destruction.   

But wait...Americans don't care so much about Canada....not obsessed each day with what is happening there.   Canada doesn't dominate American media. 

Never mind....

[paxamericana]

18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Maybe Americans will start boycotting Canada's democracy because of all the social injustice against First Nations, "visible minorities", disabled veterans, and harp seal pups !   Then there is all that disgusting, filthy bitumen for tarsands mining and environmental destruction.   

But wait...Americans don't care so much about Canada....not obsessed each day with what is happening there.   Canada doesn't dominate American media. 

Never mind....

They just don't get it. We are not communitarians we could care less of what others think of us. The true american spirit.

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, paxrom said:

They just don't get it. We are not communitarians we could care less of what others think of us. The true american spirit.

 

Agreed...this is the dichotomy.   The Canadian identity is largely informed as being NOT American, then they are surprised that Americans are not "communitarians". 

Canada is for Canadians...try to enjoy it without worrying so much about what Americans should be in the USA.

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, Jimwd said:

I though  my suggestion was their decision to move to where they are happy. I don't recall shipping anyone anywhere..Although he suggested people like me should move to Cuba or venezulea..Perhaps you could point it out for me. 

 

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I am a patriot. I like my country. You on the other hand view it differently, so leave,

It sounds like your ordering him to leave because you don't like what he has to say, or his views .....

 

[paxamericana]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed...this is the dichotomy.   The Canadian identity is largely informed as being NOT American, then they are surprised that Americans are not "communitarians". 

Canada is for Canadians...try to enjoy it without worrying so much about what Americans should be in the USA.

We do the right thing not because we care what others may think, we do the right things because its the right thing to do. 

[Jimwd]

2 hours ago, paxrom said:

What ever you do I would hold onto those US dollar. The Canadian pesos are about to get real if NAFTA doesn't work out. 

 

In 2016 when obama was president it cost me 1.50  Canadian to buy an American dollar.

This morning it cost me 1.32 to buy an American dollar. Under trump your dollar is losing value .thats quite the drop.

[OftenWrong]

12 hours ago, Jimwd said:

In 2016 when obama was president it cost me 1.50  Canadian to buy an American dollar.

This morning it cost me 1.32 to buy an American dollar. Under trump your dollar is losing value .thats quite the drop.

"Buy American".

[Jimwd]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

"Buy American".

Bye America