White Pride

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

5. White Pride is a thing that is commonly understood to be tied to xenophobic groups.  You can't use that phrase without people suspecting you of being racist.  Sorry for your loss.  On the other hand, there are lots of holidays associated with white people - most of them in fact - that we can celebrate.   Do you like Robbie Burns Day ?  Enjoy it and leave the hood at home.

 

 

Being proud that you're white is no more or less racist than being proud that you're black, or being proud you're "insert race or ethnicity" here. Pretending otherwise is asinine.

Only suspecting the motives of white people when they are proud of their heritage is racist.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. Being proud that you're white is no more or less racist than being proud that you're black, or being proud you're "insert race or ethnicity" here. Pretending otherwise is asinine.

2. Only suspecting the motives of white people when they are proud of their heritage is racist.

1. We already had that discussion.  Scroll up.

2. You are talking nonsense.  White Prid is a racist term.  Keep using it though, so we can call you out when you try to blend in.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. You are talking nonsense.  White Prid is a racist term.  Keep using it though, so we can call you out when you try to blend in.

 

No..."white pride" is no more a "racist term" than is "black pride", and to maintain otherwise only continues to patronize and marginalize non-whites, with terms like "visible minority".

"White Pride" is constitutionally protected free speech in the United States, so be careful when importing examples from same.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. No..."white pride" is no more a "racist term" than is "black pride"...

2. "White Pride" is constitutionally protected free speech in the United States 

1. We had that conversation.  Your perspective is utterly invalid as a crackpot reactionary who is too personally involved to be objective.  I'll take American Wikipedia over half-baked old man posts thanks.

2. Yeah, yeah, we know... a great place to live, a great place to die in custody of border services if you're a child who needs water to live.  Moving on...

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Yeah, yeah, we know... a great place to live, a great place to die in custody of border services if you're a child who needs water to live.  Moving on...

 

Cognitive dissonance is interesting to behold....as in how someone can point at the United States to confirm their own biases while ignoring the very principles that the country was founded on...i.e. free speech.  

More immigrants....legal and illegal....in the United States....than any other nation in the world....including "paradise" Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

"Visible Minority" = "White Pride"

 

Edited May 4, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. .as in how someone can point at the United States to confirm their own biases while ignoring the very principles that the country was founded on...i.e. free speech.  

2. More immigrants....legal and illegal....in the United States....than any other nation in the world....including "paradise" Canada.

1. Hey - we have to take the bad with the good.  We don't have any choice.  Free Speech, the KKK, White Pride and Donnie & Marie.  Fill your boots.... with shit... (figuratively not literally)

2. Oh great... the American "our burgers are bigger" defense.  Fat asses don't equate to better living... eat some vegetables once in awhile.  

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hey - we have to take the bad with the good.  We don't have any choice.  Free Speech, the KKK, White Pride and Donnie & Marie.  Fill your boots.... with shit... (figuratively not literally)

2. Oh great... the American "our burgers are bigger" defense.  Fat asses don't equate to better living... eat some vegetables once in awhile.  

 

Not only do you not have a similar civil rights history to draw upon, even if you did, you would still look and draw upon the foreign experience and history of the United States, if only because it is a much bigger burger.    Canadians (and Canadian media) do this routinely because the domestic narrative pales in comparison.

You conveniently ignored the violent and militant aspects of "Black Pride" cited in the wiki entry because that does not serve the counter "White Pride" narrative.

So yeah...fill your boots...as usual...with Americana.

[Michael Hardner]

34 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. Not only do you not have a similar civil rights history to draw upon, even if you did, you would still look and draw upon the foreign experience and history of the United States, if only because it is a much bigger burger.   

2. Canadians (and Canadian media) do this routinely because the domestic narrative pales in comparison.

3. You conveniently ignored the violent and militant aspects of "Black Pride" cited in the wiki entry because that does not serve the counter "White Pride" narrative.

4. So yeah...fill your boots...as usual...with Americana.

1. Yes "if only" - that part is right.

2. Pales ?  Wow.  Racist !

3. Meh.  I just see "American" and I assume there's violence in there somewhere.

4. No choice when I live next door to a mud farm, my boots just get filled automatically.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes "if only" - that part is right.

2. Pales ?  Wow.  Racist !

3. Meh.  I just see "American" and I assume there's violence in there somewhere.

4. No choice when I live next door to a mud farm, my boots just get filled automatically.

 

Yes...America is your burden....and your addiction.  Stay tuned..as always.

That's why I am here...to give you all things American that you desperately seek...and more.

...but that includes the constitutional right to "White Pride".

 

[Yzermandius19]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. We had that conversation.  Your perspective is utterly invalid as a crackpot reactionary who is too personally involved to be objective.  I'll take American Wikipedia over half-baked old man posts thanks.

2. Yeah, yeah, we know... a great place to live, a great place to die in custody of border services if you're a child who needs water to live.  Moving on...

If wikipedia says it, it must be true. This is the level of insight you bring to the table, be ashamed.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

If wikipedia says it, it must be true. This is the level of insight you bring to the table, be ashamed.

NO, the crackpots say if it's in the New York Times, or in Wikipedia, or on CBS then it MUST BE FALSE.  Vaccines, the CIA, and the English language are all keeping us down !

[Yzermandius19]

44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

NO, the crackpots say if it's in the New York Times, or in Wikipedia, or on CBS then it MUST BE FALSE.  Vaccines, the CIA, and the English language are all keeping us down !

Never said that nothing on wikipedia is true, never said that about the NYT or CBS either. Strawman. Their opinion on what is and isn't racist though, very suspect though, especially in this case.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Never said that nothing on wikipedia is true, never said that about the NYT or CBS either. Strawman. Their opinion on what is and isn't racist though, very suspect though, especially in this case.

No, you made a smirking statement about generally accepted knowledge.  Your crackpot sites can't change the common use of 'white pride' sorry.

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, you made a smirking statement about generally accepted knowledge.  Your crackpot sites can't change the common use of 'white pride' sorry.

Lefties who see racism under every rock wouldn't know common use if it slapped them in the face, they just tunnel vision on white racism and try and paint the entire slogan as racist just because a few racists use it. Their bubble is not "common use",  just common use in their tiny fringe extremist bubble, they simply project the way they think the word is used on everyone else.

Only questioning the motives of white people who are proud of their heritage is anti-white racism, just as only questioning the motives of Jews who are proud of their heritage is antisemitic.

Edited May 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. Lefties who see racism under every rock wouldn't know common use if it slapped them in the face,

2. Only questioning the motives of white people who are proud of their heritage is anti-white racism, just as only questioning the motives of Jews who are proud of their heritage is antisemitic.

1. Right.  That's why we go to arbiters of knowledge, and public sources of information that seek to be objective.

2. Why do you bring Jews into it all of a sudden ?  What do you think of them ?

Why do you think people should be 'proud' of things that they had no part in ?  Are you proud of your hair colour ?

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Right.  That's why we go to arbiters of knowledge, and public sources of information that seek to be objective.

2. Why do you bring Jews into it all of a sudden ?  What do you think of them ?

Why do you think people should be 'proud' of things that they had no part in ?  Are you proud of your hair colour ?

1. Appeal to authority fallacy
2. Jews are cool, and if they are proud of their heritage that doesn't make them racist.

Being proud of the accomplishments of your ancestors, is normal, it's not racist. Being proud of your heritage is not disparaging of people from different backgrounds. If you don't think the past matters, and has deeply effected your present and future, you're just being ignorant.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. Appeal to authority fallacy

Are judges or committees tasked with making a decision about a complex subject chided like this when they seek the expertise of authorities on those subjects?

Imagine how many charges against people could be thrown out if this fallacy was a principle with legal standing.  Maybe we should add it to the Charter.  

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Are judges or committees tasked with making a decision about a complex subject chided like this when they seek the expertise of authorities on those subjects?

Imagine how many charges against people could be thrown out if this fallacy was a principle with legal standing.  Maybe we should add it to the Charter.  

I'm not saying that experts have no expertise, what I am saying, is that just because they are an expert doesn't mean they are always right, so saying the experts agree therefore end of argument, is a logical fallacy. Get a better argument, if all you have is an appeal to authority, that's weak sauce, if that's your best material, you lose.

If you think experts say it's true, therefore we just blindly accept what they are saying, holds up in court, just solely on the basis of their being an expert, that's not how the legal system works. Judges are well aware of that logical fallacy, the argument has to be credible, being an expert is not enough. Being an expert doesn't make you infallible, the argument needs to judged on it's own merits, not on how much of an expert the person making the argument is.

Edited May 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[taxme]

On 5/4/2019 at 7:11 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No..."white pride" is no more a "racist term" than is "black pride", and to maintain otherwise only continues to patronize and marginalize non-whites, with terms like "visible minority".

"White Pride" is constitutionally protected free speech in the United States, so be careful when importing examples from same.

You are dealing with someone who hates white people period. He especially hates white people who say that they are proud of their white race, and so they should be. White people have done a lot to make the world a better place to live in. But yet with people like that guy above you, he is truly an exercise in futility. You would probably have a better conversation with some local cow than with him. One saying that they are white or black and proud of who they are does not have to mean that they are all racists. Some people's kids.    Just saying. 

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. Appeal to authority fallacy
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1. To get the definition of a word ? Uh, ok.  You seem to be saying that I should be just taking your definition.  Sorry.

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I'm not saying that experts have no expertise, what I am saying, is that just because they are an expert doesn't mean they are always right,

It sounds like what you're saying is that you're never wrong.

 

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It sounds like what you're saying is that you're never wrong.

 

It sounds like you like the only arguments you can beat are idiotic strawmen of your own creation.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

It sounds like you like the only arguments you can beat are idiotic strawmen of your own creation.

You're suggesting you have been wrong?

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're suggesting you have been wrong?

On occasion, I'm not infallible, and neither experts. You're just twisting my words to make your own argument not sound as dumb by comparison.