White Pride

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Nobody should be 'proud' of something they are born with, or had no hand in building.  Black 'Pride' is about confronting racism, and not being ashamed of your race and having self-respect.  There is no equivalent for whites, hence 'White Pride' jumped into the voice as a vehicle for racist yahoos.

 

Wow....you post as if you represent the views of "black" people...when you don't.

Black Pride is far more complicated than that, and something you have not lived.

Please fight your white pride battle without distorting the history and meaning of "Black Pride".

Edited April 27, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[taxme]

On 4/26/2019 at 11:09 AM, eyeball said:

What I mostly give thought to is how more immigrants will result in the outnumbering of racists (speaking of garbage).  I just wish we could speed that process up.  That would make me proud.

Sad to see that you much prefer to see more of non white immigrants coming to Canada rather than new white immigrants coming to Canada. They just will add more human garbage to dumps in Canada. Anyway, non-whites will soon be outnumbering white people in Canada in the next couple of decades thanks to this present day anti-white immigration policy that Canada has today. I would end that process now. Lucky for you and others like you that I am not the immigration minister. There would be a moratorium on immigration today. Canada is full. No more new immigrants needed or wanted. 

It is not racist to say that one is proud of their race. That is just an excuse for white haters to beat up on white people whom they despise or are jealous of, and also an excuse for calling white proud people racist. If white people are so racists, well answer me this? Why do white people keep bringing in more non white immigrants than white immigrants if there are so many white racists around? There are very few real racists around in Canada. But if one listens to the idiotic fear mongering leftist liberal lying Canadian media, one would be given the impression that Canada has racists by the hundreds of thousands in Canada. White people deserve to have a homeland that they can call their own, and why not. There is not a dam thing wrong with saying that at all. Only white bashers and haters have a problem with it. Too bloody bad for them.  

[taxme]

10 hours ago, Mike Utinne said:

This thread is getting old and tedious so I'll leave with this:

 

White people cannot be proud of the white race; the whites have committed too many crimes and are still committing crimes against humanity. The fact that the colored people haven't been compensated yet is beyond me.

The best way for white people to compensate and feel a little less guilty is to let any colored person move to the lands of the white race, if they wish it....... lands, that were not theirs to begin with, lands that were stolen through murder.

 

Again, this is why colored people can do what they please but whites cannot.

Colored people can say whatever they please, especially to white people but whites cannot. 

Colored people can be proud of their race but whites cannot.

 

Hondurans burn a US flag in support of migrant caravan:

 

Can white people do this?

It looks like it's forming the McDonald's symbol too.

White people cannot say or do anything anymore. When they do say anything they get to be called racists. We get told that white people have too much white privilege even though this is a white majority country for now. When all of those criminal illegals get to America most of them will no doubt be working at some McDonald's somewhere in America, and some may later get a chance to burn an American flag one day in America. It's bloody sad when one sees these so called migrants burning an American flag. Is that the mindset of that scum who want to become and live in America? Is this what they think of America? Burn and bring America down in flames. It sure looks like it to me, and say it all how they think about America. And then they say that white people are just paranoid, and that there is no real crisis at the border with Mexico, according to the lying leftist liberal hate America media. Really? 

[bush_cheney2004]

22 minutes ago, taxme said:

.... But if one listens to the idiotic fear mongering leftist liberal lying Canadian media, one would be given the impression that Canada has racists by the hundreds of thousands in Canada. White people deserve to have a homeland that they can call their own, and why not. There is not a dam thing wrong with saying that at all. Only white bashers and haters have a problem with it. Too bloody bad for them.  

 

Agreed...the white pride bashers seek to ignore history and atone for their own self imposed, guilt ridden ideologies.   White pride is all around us in tangible achievements that cannot be erased by their "waycists" rants, and "Black Pride" was never dependent on the patronizing crumbs that leftists think will eliminate "racism".  

The worst kind of discrimination comes from leftists who insist on maintaining welfare state dependencies for all groups, generation after generation, regardless of "race".

[taxme]

20 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed...the white pride bashers seek to ignore history and atone for their own self imposed, guilt ridden ideologies.   White pride is all around us in tangible achievements that cannot be erased by their "waycists" rants, and "Black Pride" was never dependent on the patronizing crumbs that leftists think will eliminate "racism".  

The worst kind of discrimination comes from leftists who insist on maintaining welfare state dependencies for all groups, generation after generation, regardless of "race".

The democratic party needs to keep as many Americans in poverty as they can. That way those people will always have to depend on their hand outs from them. The democrats have done didley squat for the black people in America. The democrats were even involved in the start up of the KKK. Something not too many democrats want the black folk to know about. When Obamarama was the president he apparently did sweet nothing for the black people. He made their lives even worse. Democrats or liberals are all about themselves and power. They could careless about we the people. Those leftists communists are a danger to freedom. They believe that they only have the right to rule over we the people. They know what is best for us all. White people who bash their own white people are a bunch of disgusting people to me. Those white people do have a white guilt ridden inferior cry baby complex and believe by apologizing to every non-white out there for past white sins will make them all feel so goody-goo inside. Apologizing for what others did centuries ago is stupid and foolish and only demoralizes white people even more. That only gets non-whites to want to despise white people even more. I do not feel nor am I sorry for what other white people have done in the past. Why keep picking on this whitey today? I had nothing to do with what happened in the past. If white people hate their own skin, fine, but keep your guilty feelings to yourself and get lost with your whining. Works for me.  

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. Wow....you post as if you represent the views of "black" people...when you don't.

2. Black Pride is far more complicated than that, and something you have not lived.

3. Please fight your white pride battle without distorting the history and meaning of "Black Pride".

1. Neither do you.  I am posting my opinion which usually thrills you, if an ornery hate monger or American does it.

2. So ?  Do you want to censor me because you disagree ?  That's rich.

3. Please educate this white person about black pride, then, or shut up and go home.  Nobody needs your Yankee censorship on here, thanks.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Neither do you.  I am posting my opinion which usually thrills you, if an ornery hate monger or American does it.

2. So ?  Do you want to censor me because you disagree ?  That's rich.

3. Please educate this white person about black pride, then, or shut up and go home.  Nobody needs your Yankee censorship on here, thanks.

 

Good...this is exactly the reflexive response I expected.  

You don't like being challenged on such things, thinking you can easily appropriate your version of the black experience for your own culture wars.

Black Pride exists regardless of racism, white or otherwise.   Your patronizing attempts to fight "white pride" with a malformed understanding of Yankee or any other black experience will always fall short, because, ironically, you start from the basis and perspective of white supremacy, Canadian style.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. Good...this is exactly the reflexive response I expected.  

2. You don't like being challenged on such things, thinking you can easily appropriate your version of the black experience for your own culture wars.

3. Black Pride exists regardless of racism, white or otherwise.  

4. Your patronizing attempts to fight "white pride" with a malformed understanding of Yankee or any other black experience will always fall short, because, ironically, you start from the basis and perspective of white supremacy, Canadian style.

1. Glad to help.

2. I have no version of the black experience and I DO like to be challenged which is why I solicited an edifying response from you rather than censorship.

3. Would it exist without racism ?

4. Incorrect.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. Would it exist without racism ?

 

 

Of course it would, in fact, it exists despite racism.

Conflating white pride with white supremacy cannot be supported with the origins and history of "Black Pride".   To do so not only reveals a fundamental misunderstanding, but it perpetuates the very framework you may be trying to change.  

This is why I also rail against the Canadian term "visible minority"...."whiteness" is not a benchmark to define all other groups.   

It is very similar to the very normalized exercise for defining the Canadian identity as....not American (Yankee).   

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. Of course it would, in fact, it exists despite racism.

2. Conflating white pride with white supremacy cannot be supported ...

3. This is why I also rail against the Canadian term "visible minority"...."whiteness" is not a benchmark to define all other groups.   

I4. t is very similar to the very normalized exercise for defining the Canadian identity as....not American (Yankee).   

1. Wow.  Learn your history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride

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Black pride is a movement in response to dominant white cultures and ideologies that encourages black people to celebrate black culture and embrace their African heritage.^[1] In the United States, it was a direct response to white racism especially during the Civil Rights Movement.^[2] Related movements include black power,^[2] black nationalism,^[2] Black Panthers and Afrocentrism.

1. That's the OPENING paragraph.

2. Who conflated them ?  I contrasted them.

3. Well, if you had the balls to move here then we would all care very much about your opinion.

4. I concur that this is a problem.  But your obsession with things Canadian and the impossible job of making us 'woke' to American issues is a much bigger problem ... for you personally.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Wow.  Learn your history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pride

1. That's the OPENING paragraph.

2. Who conflated them ?  I contrasted them.

3. Well, if you had the balls to move here then we would all care very much about your opinion.

4. I concur that this is a problem.  But your obsession with things Canadian and the impossible job of making us 'woke' to American issues is a much bigger problem ... for you personally.

 

Black Pride existed long before the civil rights movement, and existed in many nations besides the United States, especially African nations.    Learn some WORLD history !

I have enjoyed pointing out your obsessions as well, and know they will never change.    America provides for the gaps that were never filled in Canada.

[Michael Hardner]

53 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. Black Pride existed long before the civil rights movement, and existed in many nations besides the United States, especially African nations.    Learn some WORLD history !

2. I have enjoyed pointing out your obsessions as well, and know they will never change.    America provides for the gaps that were never filled in Canada.

1. Uh huh.  Maybe you have the inside track, and personal experiences.  I value that, so ok.  But I will point out that my view is not especially uninformed, as evidenced by the wikipedia entry.

2. Cryptic, but I'll allow it.  You're moving here then ?

[bush_cheney2004]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Uh huh.  Maybe you have the inside track, and personal experiences.  I value that, so ok.  But I will point out that my view is not especially uninformed, as evidenced by the wikipedia entry.

2. Cryptic, but I'll allow it.  You're moving here then ?

 

Not cryptic at all....if you continue to conflate "white pride" with "white supremacy", expect some disagreement.

Otherwise walk it back, and accept that "white pride" not only exists but is celebrated in Canada as well.    Furthermore, "white supremacy" is far more represented by local, provincial, and federal government than any yahoos flying U.S. Confederate battle flags.

I obviously do not need to move to Canada to find wannabe examples of what already exists in the real deal.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1. Not cryptic at all....if you continue to conflate "white pride" with "white supremacy", expect some disagreement.

2. Otherwise walk it back, and accept that "white pride" not only exists but is celebrated in Canada as well.   

3. I obviously do not need to move to Canada to find wannabe examples of what already exists in the real deal.

1. Ah, right - we didn't address that one.  Looks like you need another visit to wikipedia to get educated on common usage:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride

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White pride, or white power, is an expression primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations in order to signal racist or racialist viewpoints.

2. I know racism exists in Canada, that's what this is all about.

3. Things are real here.  And we're really good at ignoring the parts of America that we don't like - like the racism, shitty food and your posts.  But if you move up here, we'll lend you an ear - what d'you say ?

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ah, right - we didn't address that one.  Looks like you need another visit to wikipedia to get educated on common usage:

 

Sorry, but you can't hide behind America's Wikipedia any more than you can hide behind American culture and history on civil rights, which Canada aloofly skipped over.

You're now in a box....either admit that "white pride" is not the same as "white supremacy", or go down with the racial ship.

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

1. Sorry, but you can't hide behind America's Wikipedia any more than you can hide behind American culture and history on civil rights, which Canada aloofly skipped over.

2. You're now in a box....either admit that "white pride" is not the same as "white supremacy", or go down with the racial ship.

1. Seems to me if Wikipedia is American you would pay attention to it.  Once again, I have served you that your byzantine and self-serving logic is not held by the wide majority of people.  Eat it.  Billions served.

2. I have no special interest in these things.  I simply know what everyone does... that nobody uses 'white pride' as some kind of magnanimous description of policy, heritage or so on.  It's a hallmark of racist ideologies, period.  You can blubber to me about it, but you should go back and complain to American Wikipedia or maybe to the world that everybody is wrong and you are right.  That's a pretty American thing to do too, come to think of it.  Sorry.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Seems to me if Wikipedia is American you would pay attention to it.  Once again, I have served you that your byzantine and self-serving logic is not held by the wide majority of people.  Eat it.  Billions served.

2. I have no special interest in these things.  I simply know what everyone does... that nobody uses 'white pride' as some kind of magnanimous description of policy, heritage or so on.  It's a hallmark of racist ideologies, period.  You can blubber to me about it, but you should go back and complain to American Wikipedia or maybe to the world that everybody is wrong and you are right.  That's a pretty American thing to do too, come to think of it.  Sorry.

 

1.   That's the funny part...you even lap up America's Wikipedia like all the rest, either being too lazy to question such things or refusing to expand the historical horizon.

2.   Nope..."white pride" is all around you...in so deep that you cannot see it or accept the institutional and cultural frameworks that white pride dominates with your approval and taxes.   Rail against white pride all you want while living the white pride dream...that's very Canadian.

[Michael Hardner]

29 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1.   That's the funny part...you even lap up America's Wikipedia like all the rest, either being too lazy to question such things or refusing to expand the historical horizon.

2.   Nope..."white pride" is all around you...in so deep that you cannot see it or accept the institutional and cultural frameworks that white pride dominates with your approval and taxes.   Rail against white pride all you want while living the white pride dream...that's very Canadian.

1. Make up your mind, is Wikipedia "American" or is it "Bad" it can only be ONE of these in BC2004 world.

2. Please don't get SJW on me...  I can only mentally accommodate so many contradictions from you.

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Make up your mind, is Wikipedia "American" or is it "Bad" it can only be ONE of these in BC2004 world.

2. Please don't get SJW on me...  I can only mentally accommodate so many contradictions from you.

 

1.   Of course it's American, just like so much other American media that Canadians devour.  It is neither bad or good, it just is.

2.   Enjoy your white pride, even as you condemn it.

[Yzermandius19]

If Black Pride isn't racist, then how is White Pride racist? Double standard is obvious. Either they are both racist, or neither is racist, make up your mind.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

40 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. If Black Pride isn't racist, then how is White Pride racist? Double standard is obvious.

2. Either they are both racist, or neither is racist, make up your mind.

1. It's not a 'standard' it's word use.  "Black Pride" and "White Pride" are not opposites, just because the words make it seem so.

2. It's not.  You are framing that way. "Blackout" doesn't mean the opposite of "whiteout" for example.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. It's not a 'standard' it's word use.  "Black Pride" and "White Pride" are not opposites, just because the words make it seem so.

2. It's not.  You are framing that way. "Blackout" doesn't mean the opposite of "whiteout" for example.

Plenty of black racists use the term Black Pride, plenty of white racists use the term White Pride, plenty of non-racists also use those terms. You a creating a distinction without a difference.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Plenty of black racists use the term Black Pride, plenty of white racists use the term White Pride, plenty of non-racists also use those terms. You a creating a distinction without a difference.

You're parroting things you have heard elsewhere.  Plenty of racists say things but meanings are derived from common use, not what racists say.  I already posted the definition above, stop trying to make White Pride great again, or I will start to suspect your motives.

[Yzermandius19]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're parroting things you have heard elsewhere.  Plenty of racists say things but meanings are derived from common use, not what racists say.  I already posted the definition above, stop trying to make White Pride great again, or I will start to suspect your motives.

Who decides what is common usage? How do we know the common perception isn't a faulty perception based on anecdotal evidence?

Are biased people crafting these definitions of what is "common use", and a creating a strawman? These are questions you have to ask yourself. Leftists be trying to redefine words all the time to fit their narrative, that doesn't mean their definitions are accurate, or that they are even aware of what common usage is, they might know what the common usage is within their anecdotal bubble, but they don't speak for everyone, they just like to think they do.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. Who decides what is common usage? How do we know the common perception isn't a faulty perception based on anecdotal evidence?

2. Are biased people crafting these definitions of what is "common use",

3. and a creating a strawman? These are questions you have to ask yourself.

4. Leftists be trying to redefine words all the time to fit their narrative, that doesn't mean their definitions are accurate,

5. or that they are even aware of what common usage is, they might know what the common usage is within their anecdotal bubble, but they don't speak for everyone.

1. You are asking me how words work ?  There is NO common perception, the use is the use.  I consider myself 'Christian' because I agree with Christian philosophy but I can't use that term because it incorrectly includes the assumption that the philosopher is divine and the son of God.

2. No - they are assessing what is 'common use'.

3. OMG the Dictionary people are part of a leftist conspiracy ! Goddamit it - I KNEW IT !!!

4. Totalitarians used to do it, and even western Leftists did it in the past.  The definitions didn't get picked up because ... they didn't make sense mostly.   It has nothing to do with being 'accurate' more about being 'catchy'.  Also Leftists aren't the only ones who try this and fail.  Did you order french fries the last time you went to a burger joint or 'freedom fries' ?

5. White Pride is a thing that is commonly understood to be tied to xenophobic groups.  You can't use that phrase without people suspecting you of being racist.  Sorry for your loss.  On the other hand, there are lots of holidays associated with white people - most of them in fact - that we can celebrate.   Do you like Robbie Burns Day ?  Enjoy it and leave the hood at home.