The pointless waste and vanity of our refugee system

[blackbird]

On 10/8/2017 at 11:01 AM, taxme said:

It's always about the money. Screw the people who makes people like the Walton's rich in America. Corporations have no loyalties to anyone but to their bottom line and making more profit. It's always about the money.

Would you agree private enterprise's purpose is to make money?  Corporation's purpose is to have a return for their shareholders.  Unless they are a philanthropic organization, should we expect them to be concerned with things other than the bottom line?

Do you expect corporations to make charitable work or contributions to be one of their main functions? 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Please avoid thread drift. 

[PIK]

On 9/18/2017 at 3:24 PM, Argus said:

While I despise Wal-Mart and don't shop there, it has to be said that most of the manufacturing jobs that have disappeared are  due to technological change. It simply takes far fewer people to operate a factory now than it did even twenty years ago. Yes, retail jobs have disappeared due to Wal-Mart. But it's also a more efficient distributor of goods, drastically lowering the price markup. In combination with technological change that allows people to purchase things they wouldn't have - like air conditioners, as one example. Dirt cheap now, where they were beyond our means when I was young.

 

And our dumps are filling up with this cheap stuff.

[peoples advocate]

On ‎2017‎-‎09‎-‎09 at 9:04 AM, Argus said:

Jonathan Kay points out how wasteful our refugee policies are in spending vast fortunes (numbers never made public but billions) to bring over refugees and put them up in hotels and public housing here instead of helping improve the lot of far, far more refugees stuck in camps near their homelands. Citing a book by a pair of Oxford university professors he reminds us that our refugee system was originally intended to help political dissidents but has grown into this vast alternative immigration system and a sort of lottery for the dispossessed of the third world.  For every person we help this way we could be helping twenty in the camps - but that wouldn't produce such lovely photo ops by virtue signalling politicians and liberals.

It helps only a few, but they tend to be the few with the most resources, leaving their original country barren of the educated and the most able who might rebuild it.

The refugees who make it to Canada typically will have much better lives than those who don’t. But this comes at the expense of humanitarian funds that might be spent to better effect — and with greater efficiency — on the far larger number of refugees who still languish overseas. According to the authors’ numbers, “for every US $135 of public money spent on an asylum-seeker in Europe, just US $1 is spent on a refugee in the developing world, (and) fewer than one in 10 of the 4-million Syrian refugees in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan receive any material support from the UN.”

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/jonathan-kay-why-canadas-refugee-policy-may-actually-be-doing-more-harm-than-good#comments-area

 This is true and it is a problem that has to be solved and until we have leaders not looking for personal I do not know how it will happen.

[Bubble Burst]

Because we can't take everyone, we should take as refugees to Canada only the most vulnerable victims of the numerous wars affecting the Muslim World: the very young orphans.  They are not yet completely brainwashed by the destructive ideology that generates all those wars and they will suffer the least adaptation problems in a completely different Culture.  I think we should be placing them in loving same-sex families. This way the government will spend the least amount of money and the benefit will be maximized. 

Edited October 23, 2017 by Bubble Burst

[betsy]

 

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Canadians Think Government Being 'Too Generous' With Illegal Border Crossers: Poll

More than half of survey's respondents disapprove of how feds are handling situation.

Fifty-three per cent of respondents said Canada was being too generous to asylum seekers, while only six per cent said the country wasn't being generous enough.

70 per cent say they want more border monitoring

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/09/01/canadians-think-government-being-too-generous-with-illegal-border-crossers-poll_a_23193895/

Edited October 23, 2017 by betsy

[Argus]

Government braces for huge new wave of migrants from the US.

Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more Haitians, Hondurans and Nicaraguans could be headed across the border in the next year as their temporary protection status in the US expires. The government says 'no problem' but have no real plans to deal with them. Of the mostly Haitian migrants who have been given refugee hearings to date 70% have been invited to stay permanently, while the remainder are likely to spend years in appeals - before staying permanently.

None of these people qualify as refugees under the UN definition. They are not fleeing political persecution or racial or ethnic persecution, they are fleeing poverty. Here is the definition.

Convention refugee – a person who meets the refugee definition in the 1951 Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees. This definition is used in Canadian law and is widely accepted internationally. To meet the definition, a person must be outside their country of origin and have a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.

Unfortunately, since the Liberals took power, acceptance rates for refugees have skyrocketed, from 38% under the Tories to 69% now.

You have to feel sorry for the 300,000 Central Americans and Haitians in the United States covered by temporary protected status, who look likely to be deported in the next year or so.The Trump Administration said Tuesday Nicaraguan nationals must leave by January 2019, and that it is seeking additional information on whether to end TPS designation for Hondurans. The writing would also appear to be on the wall for 50,000 Haitians, who see their protected status end in January, and 200,000 El Salvadoreans, who lose their status next March.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-liberals-brace-for-another-huge-wave-of-illegal-asylum-seekers-from-u-s#comments-area

[PIK]

They are going to fill this place up and make it a cesspool, so the all mighty immigrant will feel at home.