OftenWrong Posted August 19, 2017 Report Posted August 19, 2017 2 hours ago, dialamah said: It is the Conservative who finds losses and hardships to the poor/disenfranchised acceptable, more so than Liberals. Argus posted all about it in a thread not so long ago. Argus said so? Well, I guess that proves the conservative viewpoint. We are sadists who have no empathy and find hardship of the poor acceptable. More so than liberals. And we don't mind if a protesting girl gets run over by a car. Serves her right, eh Argus? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 4 hours ago, taxme said: But there are many who believe and have joined the extreme left in their brainwashing cause. The leftists are the fascists today. There is no doubt about that. Speaking of brainwashing, you were saying that the Seig Heil crowd wasn't racists, then I pointed out that they were chanting anti-Jewish slogans. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 4 hours ago, taxme said: 1. At least those miscreants show their faces while the cowardly ANTIFA scum bags will not. What are those thugs scared of? 2. If our present day immigration policy is allowed to continue on than indeed the beige people will be a threat to white people. 1. Assault charges, I suppose. 2. It's not a problem. The numbers from today show that nobody cares about White Nationalism. Move on. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 4 hours ago, OftenWrong said: You really didn't need to add this garbage to make your point. Isn't there enough hyperbole in the forum already about what others "probably" find acceptable? Fair point. When I talk with some on here, they misrepresent reality and get hysterical about the purity of the white race, etc. It's ridiculous, and so I treat those posts as such. Don't take offence. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
dialamah Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Argus said so? Well, I guess that proves the conservative viewpoint. We are sadists who have no empathy and find hardship of the poor acceptable. More so than liberals. And we don't mind if a protesting girl gets run over by a car. Serves her right, eh Argus? Apparently so. It's not the Liberals who are arguing that neo-Nazis and white supremacists with guns aren't anything to worry about, that the counter-protestors were at fault and shouldn't protest facists, and that antifa should be a terrorist group. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, dialamah said: Apparently so. It's not the Liberals who are arguing that neo-Nazis and white supremacists with guns aren't anything to worry about, that the counter-protestors were at fault and shouldn't protest facists, and that antifa should be a terrorist group. Like I just posted to Micheal: "Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America," Trump said in response to the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend. The alt-right were not the only violent individuals there, why shouldn't Antifa hold some responsibility? They showed up looking for a fight, not just protest with words. Furthermore, show me anyone here who is defending fascists or thinks that we shouldn't protest racism? Peaceful protest. What makes you perceive that all non-liberals are the next best thing to Hitler? Do you not get that the attitude that the alt-left is above responsibility, that all on the right hold monstrous views to be shunned, ridiculed, hated, fired, is every bit a part of the problem that leads to our undoing? Why has everyone become so unreasonable these days? 1 Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Why has everyone become so unreasonable these days? You're going to Plan B now that your little cadre is falling apart. Meaning #3 at, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cadre Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: they misrepresent reality Hypocrisy, Michael. Quote
Omni Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Why has everyone become so unreasonable these days? Why not ask that of the alt right who showed up with nazi flags and guns? Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: You're going to Plan B now that your little cadre is falling apart. Meaning #3 at, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cadre I wish I could help you little fella. Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I wish I could help you little fella. You do, OftenWrong, every time you post. Quote
dialamah Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Like I just posted to Micheal: "Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America," Trump said in response to the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend. The alt-right were not the only violent individuals there, why shouldn't Antifa hold some responsibility? They showed up looking for a fight, not just protest with words. Furthermore, show me anyone here who is defending fascists or thinks that we shouldn't protest racism? Peaceful protest. What makes you perceive that all non-liberals are the next best thing to Hitler? Do you not get that the attitude that the alt-left is above responsibility, that all on the right hold monstrous views to be shunned, ridiculed, hated, fired, is every bit a part of the problem that leads to our undoing? Why has everyone become so unreasonable these days? Indeed yes, if a counter-protester threw the first punch in any of the altercations, that's on him/her. Who was it standing armed in front of a Synagogue? Who created enough fear in some members of the congregation that they wouldn't come to their place of worship? Who created such concern in non-Jews that they felt obliged to offer to help protect the Synagogue and the congregation? Who called for burning of that Synagogue on their webpages, who marched past, shouting "Jews will not replace us" and "Hey, there's the Synagogue"? Who showed up with guns in the first place? Who yelled "Sig Heil" and who chanted racists phrases as they marched with their torches? Of course, these indications of the racist ideology and violence is ignored by these apologists, who somehow think that standing against these people 'is just the same'. I already posted about the counter-protesters at the base of the statue, rushed and beaten by the alt-right group at least one seriously enough injured that he had a stroke. And of course we all know about the woman killed by an out-of-control alt-right kid, never mind the ones injured in that attack. But hey - "the left threw some punches and stood up against these people - they're just as bad and must hold some responsibility." Contrast with the likely response if a few Muslims marched through the street, chanting "Allah is Great" and displaying bomb vests- these same rightists would no doubt demand they be shot on site - never mind excusing them with "Well, if the non-believers didn't get in the way, they wouldn't be hurt". Just why is it so important to the right that the 'other side' be blamed when the ideology of these groups is supposedly disapproved of by everyone? Why do they want to put so much blame on 'leftists' when the right-wing ideology in the States and in Canada has taken more lives than even Islamic extremists? I do not think all right-wingers think this way - they're probably a minority, although strongly represented on this forum. Trump lost a lot of support when he failed to strongly condemn the Nazi's and White Supremacists for their ideology, and tried to soften and deflect with "the other side was bad too" bullshit. For the rest? They're so busy trying to find fault with 'the left' that they've made themselves stupid. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, dialamah said: Indeed yes, if a counter-protester threw the first punch in any of the altercations, that's on him/her. Who was it standing armed in front of a Synagogue? Who created enough fear in some members of the congregation that they wouldn't come to their place of worship? Who created such concern in non-Jews that they felt obliged to offer to help protect the Synagogue and the congregation? Who called for burning of that Synagogue on their webpages, who marched past, shouting "Jews will not replace us" and "Hey, there's the Synagogue"? Who showed up with guns in the first place? Who yelled "Sig Heil" and who chanted racists phrases as they marched with their torches? Of course, these indications of the racist ideology and violence is ignored by these apologists, who somehow think that standing against these people 'is just the same'. I already posted about the counter-protesters at the base of the statue, rushed and beaten by the alt-right group at least one seriously enough injured that he had a stroke. And of course we all know about the woman killed by an out-of-control alt-right kid, never mind the ones injured in that attack. But hey - "the left threw some punches and stood up against these people - they're just as bad and must hold some responsibility." Contrast with the likely response if a few Muslims marched through the street, chanting "Allah is Great" and displaying bomb vests- these same rightists would no doubt demand they be shot on site - never mind excusing them with "Well, if the non-believers didn't get in the way, they wouldn't be hurt". Just why is it so important to the right that the 'other side' be blamed when the ideology of these groups is supposedly disapproved of by everyone? Why do they want to put so much blame on 'leftists' when the right-wing ideology in the States and in Canada has taken more lives than even Islamic extremists? I do not think all right-wingers think this way - they're probably a minority, although strongly represented on this forum. Trump lost a lot of support when he failed to strongly condemn the Nazi's and White Supremacists for their ideology, and tried to soften and deflect with "the other side was bad too" bullshit. For the rest? They're so busy trying to find fault with 'the left' that they've made themselves stupid. There were altercations happening all over the place. Fights broke out in separate areas. Certainly the Antifa also came to fight. If you dont think so then there's little more I can discuss. And what does Islam now have to do with this? Aren't you committing the same offence you once complained about to me, your bus-riding thread in which I mentioned Islam, that time when you insulted me in a PM? Didn't you just do the same damned thing? If you really think this forum has a minority of "normal" right wingers and is not representative of what is out there, then you are utterly beyond hope to have a reasonable discussion with. Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 38 minutes ago, dialamah said: Indeed yes, if a counter-protester threw the first punch in any of the altercations, that's on him/her. Who was it standing armed in front of a Synagogue? Who created enough fear in some members of the congregation that they wouldn't come to their place of worship? Who created such concern in non-Jews that they felt obliged to offer to help protect the Synagogue and the congregation? Who called for burning of that Synagogue on their webpages, who marched past, shouting "Jews will not replace us" and "Hey, there's the Synagogue"? Who showed up with guns in the first place? Who yelled "Sig Heil" and who chanted racists phrases as they marched with their torches? Of course, these indications of the racist ideology and violence is ignored by these apologists, who somehow think that standing against these people 'is just the same'. I already posted about the counter-protesters at the base of the statue, rushed and beaten by the alt-right group at least one seriously enough injured that he had a stroke. And of course we all know about the woman killed by an out-of-control alt-right kid, never mind the ones injured in that attack. But hey - "the left threw some punches and stood up against these people - they're just as bad and must hold some responsibility." Contrast with the likely response if a few Muslims marched through the street, chanting "Allah is Great" and displaying bomb vests- these same rightists would no doubt demand they be shot on site - never mind excusing them with "Well, if the non-believers didn't get in the way, they wouldn't be hurt". Just why is it so important to the right that the 'other side' be blamed when the ideology of these groups is supposedly disapproved of by everyone? Why do they want to put so much blame on 'leftists' when the right-wing ideology in the States and in Canada has taken more lives than even Islamic extremists? I do not think all right-wingers think this way - they're probably a minority, although strongly represented on this forum. Trump lost a lot of support when he failed to strongly condemn the Nazi's and White Supremacists for their ideology, and tried to soften and deflect with "the other side was bad too" bullshit. For the rest? They're so busy trying to find fault with 'the left' that they've made themselves stupid. Right wingers everywhere: God, I hate it when people tell the truth about us! Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Certainly the Antifa also came to fight. If you dont think so then there's little more I can discuss. You might, for once, consider something that supports your personal opinions, biased as they are. Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: You might, for once, consider something that supports your personal opinions, biased as they are. If you could be more specific about what the problem is, I might be able help you. Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: If you could be more specific about what the problem is, I might be able help you. Read just any of your posts totally ignoring Korea and the US terrorism that has been directed at them for almost 75 years. Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: Read just any of your posts totally ignoring Korea and the US terrorism that has been directed at them for almost 75 years. You mean North Korea. Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: You mean North Korea. Your ignorance is stunning. And you have been given the opportunity many times to pull yourself out of such ignorance. Quote Cumings said he was able to draw upon a lot of South Korean research that has come out since the nation democratized in the 1990s about the massacres of Korean civilians. This has been the subject of painstaking research by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in Seoul and Cumings describes the results as “horrific.” Atrocities by “our side, the South Koreans (ran) six to one ahead of the North Koreans in terms of killing civilians, whereas most Americans would think North Koreans would just as soon kill a civilian to look at him.” The numbers of civilians killed in South Korea by the government, Cumings said, even dwarfed Spaniards murdered by dictator Francisco Franco, the general who overthrew the Madrid government in the 1936-1939 civil war. Cumings said about 100,000 South Koreans were killed in political violence between 1945 and 1950 and perhaps as many as 200,000 more were killed during the early months of the war. This compares to about 200,000 civilians put to death in Spain in Franco’s political massacres. In all, Korea suffered 3 million civilian dead during the 1950-53 war, more killed than the 2.7 million Japan suffered during all of World War II. One of the worst atrocities was perpetrated by the South Korean police at the small city of Tae Jun. They executed 7,000 political prisoners while Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. military officials looked on, Cumings said. To compound the crime, the Pentagon blamed the atrocity on the Communists, Cumings said. “The Joint Chiefs of Staff classified the photographs of it because they make it clear who’s doing it, and they don’t let the photographs out until 1999 when a Korean finally got them declassified.” To top that off, the historian says, “the Pentagon did a video movie called ‘Crime of Korea’ where you see shots of pits that go on for like a football field, pit after pit of dead people, and (actor) Humphrey Bogart in a voice-over says, ‘someday the Communists will pay for this, someday we’ll get the full totals and believe me we’ll get the exact, accurate totals of the people murdered here and we will make these war criminals pay.’ Now this is a complete reversal of black and white, done as a matter of policy.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-korean-war-the-unknown-war-the-coverup-of-us-war-crimes/23742 Terrorism is terrorism no matter who it is directed against. US terrorism leads the world in volume, relentless evil, hypocrisy. And guess who just popped up, bush-cheney, one of the apologists for this deepest of evils. Edited August 20, 2017 by hot enough Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: Your ignorance is stunning. And you have been given the opportunity many times to pull yourself out of such ignorance. Terrorism is terrorism no matter who it is directed against. US terrorism leads the world in volume, relentless evil, hypocrisy. And guess who just popped up, bush-cheney, one of the apologists for this deepest of evils. All North Korea has to do is stand down and join the rest of the world, and everyone would be glad about that. Except of course the Chinese. So North Korea has no self determination. But this is off-topic. As I look up at the address bar, the topic is Nationalist Groups in Canada. So rather than ruin the thread I won't discuss that further with you here. That's how we should do things, out of respect for others in the forum. Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: All North Korea has to do is stand down and join the rest of the world, and everyone would be glad about that. Except of course the Chinese. So North Korea has no self determination. But this is off-topic. As I look up at the address bar, the topic is Nationalist Groups in Canada. So rather than ruin the thread I won't discuss that further with you here. That's how we should do things, out of respect for others in the forum. After you get in all the off topic comments you want, you pull the usual "I'm getting smacked conservative" memes. Illustrative of your dishonesty. Why wouldn't you suggest that the actual terrorists, the actual war criminals, the rapists, the baby killers, which means the USA, stand down. Edited August 20, 2017 by hot enough Quote
dialamah Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: There were altercations happening all over the place. Fights broke out in separate areas. Certainly the Antifa also came to fight. If you dont think so then there's little more I can discuss. And what does Islam now have to do with this? Aren't you committing the same offence you once complained about to me, your bus-riding thread in which I mentioned Islam, that time when you insulted me in a PM? Didn't you just do the same damned thing? If a group of Muslim extremists marched through the street chanting "Allah is Great", brandishing weapons, waving ISIS flags, attacking and fighting protesters and happened to kill a protester what would be the reaction of anyone sane? Do you think anyone would be saying --"Oh, well, Islamic extremists are terrible and we hate them - but the protesters were just as violent and if they hadn't been there would have been no violence and nobody would have gotten killed, so they have to take some responsibility." or "Islamic extremists have the right to march and wave their ISIS flags and brandish weapons and anyone who says otherwise wants to quash free speech". Do you seriously think that would fly? And if not, why should it fly with the alt-right, White Supremacists and neo-Nazis? Quote If you really think this forum has a minority of "normal" right wingers and is not representative of what is out there, then you are utterly beyond hope to have a reasonable discussion with. Then don't discuss with me, problem solved. Edited August 20, 2017 by dialamah clarity 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: After you get in all the off topic comments you want, you pull the usual "I'm getting smacked conservative" memes. Illustrative of your dishonesty. Nonsense. No one is getting smacked, stop being so defensive. I left the door open for you to discuss elsewhere when I said "I'm not going to discuss it further HERE." You missed that. Quote
hot enough Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Nonsense. No one is getting smacked, stop being so defensive. I left the door open for you to discuss elsewhere when I said "I'm not going to discuss it further HERE." You missed that. Yeah right, OftenWrong. One of the guys who always flees. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Posted August 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, dialamah said: Do you seriously think that would fly? And if not, why should it fly with the alt-right, White Supremacists and neo-Nazis? Yes....for the same reason it flew for the Oka Crisis in 1990. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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