jacee Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Rue said: 1- They were killed. 2-We did not invade Afganistan that is your political opinion, but its not a legal one and the actual fact is the government asked us to come in and protect them from the Taliban, In your world we should do nothing when terrorists terrorize a nation and its people. In my world we should stop such autrocities. 3-Who were the people Canada paid and were they engaged in terrorism? 4-If you don't understand how important it is not to reward a terrorist and have them profit indirectly from their terrorism dpn't you dare have the audacity to tell a soldier who puts his life on the life so you are not killed from terrorists he is less important in value then that terrorist. You talk iike that you don't deserve any soldier defending the way of life you take for granted and are making a mockery of hero worshipping terrorists. In my world the USA should stop creating and arming terrorists as an excuse to invade other countries to steal their resources while scamming gullible people into thinking they are on some 'humanitarian' mission. It's just a big scam. Quote
jacee Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Not many actually lived that long, omar was a freak accident.....Notice that it has never happened again..... Actually it is more common than you think, it is mentioned in the Genva convention, inter national law.... actually try googling it instead of pulling it out your ass....I thought Omar was a Canadian under what law does he have the right to defend another nation.....google that shit to....He was a terrorist, in a foreign nation bringing terror to the people of Afghanistan, and coalition forces.....the same forces we were part of ...... He pleaded guilty to 5 crimes, NO new charges were added by Canada, why ? How many of those payouts were to terrorists...... The Canadian government was paying me to put people like young omar in the ground.....to arrange a meeting with allah, so they could collect their used 72 virgins....but you already knew this...as you just wrote your citizenship test recently ....Today i am retired, and living it up on your dime.... Enjoy your retirement. We never should have been there. It was just a US scam to steal resources, uranium I believe, possibly a pipeline. Edited July 10, 2017 by jacee Quote
hot enough Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rue said: Canada did not invade Afghanistan illegally. The fact you didn't agree with Canada going here didn't maket it illegal. Your personal opinions don't determine legality. You are wrong again, Rue "I'm not going to respond to HE's posts". Quote Afghanistan: The Other Illegal War The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was every bit as illegal as the invasion of Iraq. Why, then, do so many Americans see it as justifiable? By Marjorie Cohn / AlterNet July 31, 2008, 9:00 PM GMT So far, President Bush's plan to maintain a permanent U.S. military presence in Iraq has been stymied by resistance from the Iraqi government. Barack Obama's timetable for withdrawal of American troops evidently has the backing of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, Bush has mentioned a "time horizon," and John McCain has waffled. Yet Obama favors leaving between 35,000 and 80,000 U.S. occupation troops there indefinitely to train Iraqi security forces and carry out "counterinsurgency operations." That would not end the occupation. We must call for bringing home -- not redeploying -- all U.S. troops and mercenaries, closing all U.S. military bases and relinquishing all efforts to control Iraqi oil. In light of stepped-up violence in Afghanistan, and for political reasons -- following Obama's lead -- Bush will be moving troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. Although the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was as illegal as the invasion of Iraq, many Americans see it as a justifiable response to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and the casualties in that war have been lower than those in Iraq -- so far. Practically no one in the United States is currently questioning the legality or propriety of U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan. The cover of Timemagazine calls it "The Right War." The U.N. Charter provides that all member states must settle their international disputes by peaceful means, and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorized by the Security Council. After the 9/11 attacks, the council passed two resolutions, neither of which authorized the use of military force in Afghanistan. Resolutions 1368 and 1373 condemned the Sept. 11 attacks and ordered the freezing of assets; the criminalizing of terrorist activity; the prevention of the commission of and support for terrorist attacks; and the taking of necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist activity, including the sharing of information. In addition, it urged ratification and enforcement of the international conventions against terrorism. The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the charter because the attacks on Sept. 11 were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States. In fact, 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Furthermore, there was not an imminent threat of an armed attack on the United States after Sept. 11, or Bush would not have waited three weeks before initiating his October 2001 bombing campaign. The necessity for self-defense must be "instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation." This classic principle of self-defense in international law has been affirmed by the Nuremberg Tribunal and the U.N. General Assembly. Bush's justification for attacking Afghanistan was that it was harboring Osama bin Laden and training terrorists. Iranians could have made the same argument to attack the United States after they overthrew the vicious Shah Reza Pahlavi in 1979 and he was given safe haven in the United States. The people in Latin American countries whose dictators were trained in torture techniques at the School of the Americas could likewise have attacked the torture training facility in Fort Benning, Ga., under that specious rationale. Those who conspired to hijack airplanes and kill thousands of people on 9/11 are guilty of crimes against humanity. They must be identified and brought to justice in accordance with the law. But retaliation by invading Afghanistan is not the answer and will only lead to the deaths of more of our troops and Afghans. http://www.alternet.org/story/93473/afghanistan%3A_the_other_illegal_war Quote The issue as to US Cuba relations has nothing to do with this thread. It has everything to do with this thread. It points to how the US is the world's leading terrorist and for those vicious murderers to be calling others terrorists is supremely ludicrous. Quote
Omni Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: SCOTUS did not hand out the sentence, in fact the tribunal handed out the sentence....And yet the Supreme court did nothing to over turn the sentences, just made some comments....Another question if the US supreme court thought it was wrong, why did the Canadian Justice system not question it......instead of agreeing to have omar finish his sentence here in Canada. You have completely missed the "legal boat" here. The SCOTUS did not over turn the sentence because it was not brought in front of them AND, George Bush had decided with the stroke of his pen that habeas corpus did not apply in Gitmo because it was not US soil and I expect the SC didn't want to wade into that even though there are some strong legal arguments as to why they could have. The Canadian Justice system did question it, and that's why he was let out of prison, they just took a long time to do that, based in large part to the knuckel dragging of Chretien, and most of all Harper. And he had to confess to a number of unproperly proven charges in order to get back to Canada, insted of spending the rest of his life in Gitmo. Charter rights are charter rights. That's the way the law works in Canada, thankfully. If you don't agree, go to Cuba to live. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Omni said: He has peen pulled out of prison, and I suspect his conviction will be overturned by our justice system, for all of the reason that have been reported all over the place so you should be familiar with them by now. Quote On September 29, 2012, Khadr was repatriated to Canada to serve the remainder of his sentence in Canadian custody.[12] He was initially assigned to a maximum-security prison but moved to a medium-security prison in 2014. Khadr was released on bail in May 2015 (pending an appeal of his U.S. conviction) after the Alberta Court of Appeal refused to block his release as had been requested by the Canadian government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr He was released on bail....."big difference than being pulled" he spent 3 years in a Canadian prison, either our justice system is really slow it's 2017 and still no conviction being over turned....maybe another payout..........or maybe they agreed with the sentence, hence why he was brought back to Canada and placed in a cell.......Today he is a convicted terrorist charged with murder..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
hot enough Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Not many actually lived that long, omar was a freak accident.....Notice that it has never happened again..... That is precisely how the US has always handled it - dropping folks out of helicopters, machine gunning them, beheading them, ... so it's hardly surprising that it has happened again in Afghanistan. War criminals will be war criminals. Quote ..I thought Omar was a Canadian under what law does he have the right to defend another nation.....google that shit to....He was a terrorist, in a foreign nation bringing terror to the people of Afghanistan, and coalition forces.....the same forces we were part of ...... Good point, the expats were defending the lands of their kin against the invading hordes of war criminals. The North Atlantic Terrorist Organization were the war criminals, the terrorists. All based on a bunch of US/UK lies, totally transparent lies any fool could see thru. Quote
hot enough Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The Canadian government was paying me to put people like young omar in the ground.....to arrange a meeting with allah, so they could collect their used 72 virgins.... Typical crass comments of the kind folks who went there to save the Afghans from oppression. Quote Quote
Omni Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr He was released on bail....."big difference than being pulled" he spent 3 years in a Canadian prison, either our justice system is really slow it's 2017 and still no conviction being over turned....maybe another payout..........or maybe they agreed with the sentence, hence why he was brought back to Canada and placed in a cell.......Today he is a convicted terrorist charged with murder..... Our justice system is really slow...are you not watching the news lately? He spent 10 years in a bogus military prison without access to a lawyer. Our SC did not agree with the sentence, they disagreed with the whole military "court" system that arrived at it, and that's why he is out of jail. And that dovetails into why he may end up with a lot of money out of the civil suit. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Omni said: You have completely missed the "legal boat" here. The SCOTUS did not over turn the sentence because it was not brought in front of them AND, George Bush had decided with the stroke of his pen that habeas corpus did not apply in Gitmo because it was not US soil and I expect the SC didn't want to wade into that even though there are some strong legal arguments as to why they could have. The Canadian Justice system did question it, and that's why he was let out of prison, they just took a long time to do that, based in large part to the knuckel dragging of Chretien, and most of all Harper. And he had to confess to a number of unproperly proven charges in order to get back to Canada, insted of spending the rest of his life in Gitmo. Charter rights are charter rights. That's the way the law works in Canada, thankfully. If you don't agree, go to Cuba to live. And yet the SC did not take action.....their strong words were for the media only, the fact they did not take up this so called injustice....or so says you....They did not question it....even though the US SC said it was a kangaroo court....WHY was that, not watching TV that day.....or was it that our Justice system agreed with the sentence....And now your blaming the government for controlling the justice system.....if that was a fact this would of never surfaced for another 10 years....and yet as of today he is still a convicted terrorist / murder..... I agree charter rights are charter rights, i am not or have not said anything in reference to them.....i have asked why our justice system not charged him with Canadian charges, such as terrorism, treason. etc etc....why has he not been made to answer his crimes in Afghanistan.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Omni said: Our justice system is really slow...are you not watching the news lately? He spent 10 years in a bogus military prison without access to a lawyer. Our SC did not agree with the sentence, they disagreed with the whole military "court" system that arrived at it, and that's why he is out of jail. And that dovetails into why he may end up with a lot of money out of the civil suit. Source please....on why he was released, and do you really think the US is going to pay out a terrorist.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Omni Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: And yet the SC did not take action. The SC does not take action until a case is brought before them They don't run around like cops on a Saturday night after the bars close down. 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: d now your blaming the government for controlling the justice system.. I cetainly am nit. I'm blaming them for sitting on their hands while a citizen's rights were violated. 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ve asked why our justice system not charged him with Canadian charges, such as terrorism, treason Complete lack of evidence. 10 minutes ago, Army Guy said: why has he not been made to answer his crimes in Afghanistan.... Maybe you should REALLY re-think that question. If you recall, Harper was found in contempt of parliament for hiding evidence that Canadian troops released detainees into the hands of the ANA. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Omni said: The SC does not take action until a case is brought before them They don't run around like cops on a Saturday night after the bars close down. I cetainly am nit. I'm blaming them for sitting on their hands while a citizen's rights were violated. Complete lack of evidence. Maybe you should REALLY re-think that question. If you recall, Harper was found in contempt of parliament for hiding evidence that Canadian troops released detainees into the hands of the ANA. One would think that Omars lawyers would have done that years ago....? or for that fact any Canadian citizen that wanted to act on Omars behalf.....and yet nothing on the media about anyone bringing this to Canadian SC attention. They were violated, and everyone concentrates on this one part of the entire case....what happened to all his other crimes..... B/S .....tell me there is no evidence to charge him for terrorist activities....assisting in terrorist activities, His home made tape proves that.....no confessions required for that one....read the conditions for treason and tell me there is no evidence..... I think there is lots of evidence, just not the will to bring charges , the government regardless of who was in charge at the time have done everything possible to bury this , hoping it will go away.... Canadian forces released POWs to ANA on the governments policy, CF does not set any policies with out direct government say so. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Army Guy said: And yet the SC did not take action.....their strong words were for the media only, the fact they did not take up this so called injustice....or so says you....They did not question it....even though the US SC said it was a kangaroo court....WHY was that, not watching TV that day.....or was it that our Justice system agreed with the sentence....And now your blaming the government for controlling the justice system.....if that was a fact this would of never surfaced for another 10 years....and yet as of today he is still a convicted terrorist / murder..... I agree charter rights are charter rights, i am not or have not said anything in reference to them.....i have asked why our justice system not charged him with Canadian charges, such as terrorism, treason. etc etc....why has he not been made to answer his crimes in Afghanistan.... Army Guy, the Supreme Court of Canada addresses cases brought before it. It doesn't take action by itself. And our justice system - courts - were not asked for an opinion either. He simply came home to finish out his sentence here. You have very clearly shown no regard for Omar Khadr's Charter rights. And the reason we're focusing on that is because he just got his settlement and it's in the news. He's already served his time for the rest of the crimes he plead guilty to. That's over. No, Canada is not going to charge a child for terrorism or treason. That's ridiculous. It's over. Get over it. Edited July 10, 2017 by jacee Quote
Omni Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: One would think that Omars lawyers would have done that years ago. He didn't have lawyers years ago, that's one of the main parts of why his rights were violated. 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: nk there is lots of evidence, just not the will to bring charges , Then show us your evidence. 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Canadian forces released POWs to ANA on the governments policy, Nope. That was/is illegal under Canadian law, hence the contempt finding against Harper. Quote
Army Guy Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, jacee said: Enjoy your retirement. We never should have been there. It was just a US scam to steal resources, uranium I believe, possibly a pipeline. Thank you i am.... you said we should not have been there, WHY ? it might of cost each tax payer 20 bucks, a year less than cost of going to micky dees for one....the rest was dumped on our soldiers.....the paid the sweat, blood, and tears.....them and their families.....20 bucks to get one smile from a child needing clean water, schools, ambulances, new high ways , a new dam....ya what a waste of time.... Yes, maybe you can give us a source on the Uranium mine .....or maybe the pipeline that still does not exist....what was the scam again..... Edited July 10, 2017 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, Omni said: He didn't have lawyers years ago, that's one of the main parts of why his rights were violated. Then show us your evidence. Nope. That was/is illegal under Canadian law, hence the contempt finding against Harper. SO what your saying is there was NO one that could have brought this matter to the attention of a Canadian lawyer, who could have taken action....i find that hard to believe.... Seriously you think there is none.....all that info on his home made tapes, showing him placing IEDS on roads....not enough for you....you deny he was a terrorist, when he was a member of AL Qaida....according to him....he provided info on troop movements and convoy composition for AL Qaida....under the conventions that is providing intel to the enemy thats treason.....engaging coalition forces in a fire fight.....the same coalition our nation was part of ....thats treason....i am sure there is more.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: Thank you i am.... you said we should not have been there, WHY ? it might of cost each tax payer 20 bucks, a year less than cost of going to micky dees for one....the rest was dumped on our soldiers.....the paid the seat, blood, and tears.....them and their families.....20 bucks to get one smile from a child needing clean water, schools, ambulances, new high ways , a new dam....ya what a waste of time.... Yes, maybe you can give us a source on the Uranium mine .....or maybe the pipeline that still does not exist....what was the scam again..... Imo we never should have put our soldiers in harm's way for the US's wars-for-profit. "The subsequent invasion of Afghanistan by the United States and coalition troops in 2001 began a new phase in the history of Afghanistan, as many old resource projects were assessed again, and new ones were initiated.[24]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, jacee said: Imo we never should have put our soldiers in harm's way for the US's wars-for-profit. Such Canadian decisions are not about profits for the USA....but the profits and interests of Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jacee Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Army Guy said: SO what your saying is there was NO one that could have brought this matter to the attention of a Canadian lawyer, who could have taken action....i find that hard to believe.... Seriously you think there is none.....all that info on his home made tapes, showing him placing IEDS on roads....not enough for you....you deny he was a terrorist, when he was a member of AL Qaida....according to him....he provided info on troop movements and convoy composition for AL Qaida....under the conventions that is providing intel to the enemy thats treason.....engaging coalition forces in a fire fight.....the same coalition our nation was part of ....thats treason....i am sure there is more.... Wtf!!! Are you still harping on the fact that Khadr should face more charges? Stfu That's just stupid. A 10 year old Canadian kid who never wanted to be there, had no choice, has already spent 14 years in jail. You really need to get a hobby. Quote
Omni Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: SO what your saying is there was NO one that could have brought this matter to the attention of a Canadian lawyer, who could have taken action. The point is nobody did. 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: you deny he was a terrorist, when he was a member of AL Qaida. No I don't, he may have been, under whatever definition you use. 17 minutes ago, Army Guy said: e provided info on troop movements and convoy composition for AL Qaida....under the conventions that is providing intel to the enemy thats treason I'd like to see your valid proof of that. Quote
jacee Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Such Canadian decisions are not about profits for the USA....but the profits and interests of Canada. Did Big Bro USA save a little mining contract for a Canadian company too? Quote
Hal 9000 Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, jacee said: Wtf!!! Are you still harping on the fact that Khadr should face more charges? Stfu That's just stupid. A 10 year old Canadian kid who never wanted to be there, had no choice, has already spent 14 years in jail. You really need to get a hobby. Wait a minute, when you guy's thought that under 18 was the legal age for child soliders, we were using the 15 as his age. Now that 15 is old enough to not qualify for child solider, we have reduced his age to 10? Ok, I'm just trying to catch up. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Such Canadian decisions are not about profits for the USA....but the profits and interests of Canada. OMG I would have expected you of all people would be aware of the military industrial complex! A lot of people in the US depend on it to fund their pensions. Quote
jacee Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Wait a minute, when you guy's thought that under 18 was the legal age for child soliders, we were using the 15 as his age. Now that 15 is old enough to not qualify for child solider, we have reduced his age to 10? Ok, I'm just trying to catch up. He was 10 when his father put him in AQ training, 15 when captured. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 10, 2017 Report Posted July 10, 2017 Just now, jacee said: Did Big Bro USA save a little mining contract for a Canadian company too? Canadian mining and oil services companies complicity with third world governments is well documented, and continues to this day. The U.S. did not force Canadian national Khadr to go to Afghanistan, build IEDs, and attack NATO soldiers. The "Big Bro USA" is a permanent paranoia for some Canadian psyches no matter what. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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