overthere Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 49 minutes ago, Argus said: What, everything? Should we respect virgin sacrifice? How about slavery? Chicken sex? Do we have to respect chicken sex, and those who practice it? The topic here is people wearing hats. Now you are speaking of murder, slavery and bestiality. I am not laughing at you, just near you. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Goddess Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, overthere said: The topic here is people wearing hats. You think a burka is like a hat? Really? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
overthere Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 48 minutes ago, Argus said: There is no way to get rid of Canadian born child molesters, criminals, or whatnot, so clearly the idea of getting rid of Canadian born bigots, as dear as that might be to the hearts of those who get furious at the thoughts of deporting foreign born terrorists, is simply not subject to discussion. And what you consistently ignore is the difference between those born and raised here and those raised in the mainly backward cultures of most of our immigrants. Namely. Canadian homophobic. Frowns on gay marriage, frowns at gays holding hands in street. Mutters epithets under his breath. Middle east homophobic. Thinks gays should be killed, or at least imprisoned. Wants them to be beaten to death. Regretfully, I think you actually believe this bullshit. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
overthere Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 Just now, Goddess said: You think a burka is like a hat? Really? I see. Do you also equate a womans choice of headgear as equivalent to murder, slavery and bestaoality? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
taxme Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: We have our own set of laws that demand submission. It just looks different. Are you above the law? I think though that Islamic laws are far worse and archaic than Canada's laws are. For instance, in Canada we don't stone women to death because they were raped or throw gays of rooftops blindfolded. But hey, let's just over look that little tid bit because I certainly don't want to get into trouble with Canada's new hate law. You know that law or soon to be law where I am now in violation of Motion 103 for daring to point some of the evils of Islam and it's archaic beliefs. That law is one of the reasons why Canada is not so great anymore where one can go to jail for daring to ask certain questions. Canada is fast becoming a tyrannical communist country to live in these days. Freedom of speech is about to be abolished very soon in Canada. Oops, maybe it is already? Hey, you never know. Quote
Goddess Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, overthere said: I see. Do you also equate a womans choice of headgear as equivalent to murder, slavery and bestaoality? No. That would be unreasonable. Sort of like equating women forced to wear burkas, to a person's choice to wear a hat. Edited June 28, 2017 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
taxme Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 18 minutes ago, overthere said: Regretfully, I think you actually believe this bullshit. And you don't? How old are you anyway? Are you one of those grade five students who are told by their teachers to believe that Islam is good and they all have love for us infidels? If you believe that bull chit than so be it but I certainly won't. Islam is an archaic religion that needs to be updated or deleted. Just saying. Quote
Argus Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, overthere said: The topic here is people wearing hats. Now you are speaking of murder, slavery and bestiality. You are saying I must respect those who are themselves so deeply intolerant they want gays killed, would like to see laws imposed on me to restrict my religious beliefs or compel their beliefs on me, and who want women to be virtual chattel, and not only respect them but welcome them into my community. That is not tolerance but idiocy. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, overthere said: I see. Do you also equate a womans choice of headgear as equivalent to murder, slavery and bestaoality? Would you judge a person ill if they wore Nazi regalia? What about the uniform of the Ku Klux Klan? Would you think, seeing them in those outfits, you had a pretty good idea of what their beliefs are? A burqua is not a fashion statement. It is a religious statement. Edited June 28, 2017 by Argus 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 1 hour ago, overthere said: Regretfully, I think you actually believe this bullshit. So you're another of those people who think Muslims don't believe in Islam, I take it? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 I am all for free speech but there is always a limited to any free speech and that is as long as it doesn't harm the society and individuals. I think speaking negatively about something in a debate and in civilized manner should be allowed in a free society and should not be banned or we will be moving towards a dictatorship. Inciting to hatred and violence should be banned though in any democracy. I think we are taking the political correctness too far. Quote
Rue Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, overthere said: I see. Do you also equate a womans choice of headgear as equivalent to murder, slavery and bestaoality? Why do you pose the question to assume that all women who completely cover their face do so out of free choice. What fantasy world do you live in? Its not head gear. For phacks sake its not a hockey or football helmet. We are talking about a costume from head to toe including only a slit for eyes. He also did not equate it to murder, slavery or bestiality you in fact are trying to suggest he did. He and I and others equate the uniform we challenge for what it is a symbol of attitude towards the female gender we find archaic and fundamentally in conflict with how our society defines women. Edited June 28, 2017 by Rue 1 Quote I come to you to hell.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Rue said: He and I and others equate the uniform we challenge for what it is a symbol of attitude towards the female gender we find archaic and fundamentally in conflict with how our society defines women as equal to men. Lets call it for what it is. It is a symbol of repression and oppression of women as many are forced to wear these at home or they will be attacked, beaten, arrested, or even worse. Yes agree with second statement. Quote
Rue Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: I am all for free speech but there is always a limited to any free speech and that is as long as it doesn't harm the society and individuals. I think speaking negatively about something in a debate and in civilized manner should be allowed in a free society and should not be banned or we will be moving towards a dictatorship. Inciting to hatred and violence should be banned though in any democracy. I think we are taking the political correctness too far. Agreed. 100%. That means because I l live in a democracy I challenge the full covering but no I would not harm any individual who insists on wearing such garb for the same reason, and I appreciate that as well. I doubt any of the liberals on this thread live in a neighbourhood with fundamentalist extremist Muslims except the fundamentalist Muslim ones posing as liberals. Oh just call it a hunch. That said free speech has its limits yes. I think welcoming fascist symbols erodes basic principles of democracy that's why I challenge them. No I don't respect what the full cover stands for at all and will say so but it gives me no right to abuse or ridicule someone challenging such symbols. Its a fine line which I get is your point and I defer to that point you make.. Edited June 28, 2017 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell.
Rue Posted June 28, 2017 Report Posted June 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Lets call it for what it is. It is a symbol of repression and oppression of women as many are forced to wear these at home or they will be attacked, beaten, arrested, or even worse. Yes agree with second statement. Thank you. Quote I come to you to hell.
dialamah Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Rue said: I doubt any of the liberals on this thread live in a neighbourhood with fundamentalist extremist Muslims except the fundamentalist Muslim ones posing as liberals. Oh just call it a hunch. Do the conservatives? Quote
Rue Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 8 hours ago, dialamah said: Do the conservatives? Yes this one. Your pt. is taken though. Let's just say I prefer someone to tell me what they really think of me. I know the phony smile when I see it. All us minorities do. Give me someone who is upfront about his biases and does not mince his/her words. I find most people who smile come at me with a knife. What can I say. It has affected moi.. Quote I come to you to hell.
GostHacked Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 14 hours ago, taxme said: I think though that Islamic laws are far worse and archaic than Canada's laws are. For instance, in Canada we don't stone women to death because they were raped or throw gays of rooftops blindfolded. But hey, let's just over look that little tid bit because I certainly don't want to get into trouble with Canada's new hate law. You know that law or soon to be law where I am now in violation of Motion 103 for daring to point some of the evils of Islam and it's archaic beliefs. That law is one of the reasons why Canada is not so great anymore where one can go to jail for daring to ask certain questions. Canada is fast becoming a tyrannical communist country to live in these days. Freedom of speech is about to be abolished very soon in Canada. Oops, maybe it is already? Hey, you never know. Sure it looks different but the notion is the same, there are rules we follow, we submit to them because to us, those rules make sense. And in many cases they are there for a really good reason. And as for the slow decline, I defer to Jordan Peterson who has great explanations and insight. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
DogOnPorch Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, GostHacked said: We have our own set of laws that demand submission. It just looks different. Are you above the law? You're quite free to support Islam. Islam mean submission. Not peace or anything else we are told. It's your rear in the air five times a day...and more! Now, expecting the REST of us infidels to support a crazy child molesting death cult is asking a bit much. We don't want Islam's barbaric Laws where gays are executed and rape victims punished. As much as one might find homosexuals personally distasteful or feel children appropriate marriage partners, many infidels are going to fight back against such a cult in their midst. Especially when Islam wants preferred treatment everywhere it manifests itself. The new law of the land. M-103 is just the start. Edited June 29, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You're quite free to support Islam. Islam mean submission. Not peace or anything else we are told. It's your rear in the air five times a day...and more! One last time for the trolls out there. I do not support Islam. Got it poochy?? You still submit to laws, willingly. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
dialamah Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 15 minutes ago, GostHacked said: One last time for the trolls out there. I do not support Islam. Got it poochy?? You still submit to laws, willingly. That doesn't work. If you aren't scared of Islam and Muslims, then you support terrorism and acts of brutal barbarity. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, dialamah said: That doesn't work. If you aren't scared of Islam and Muslims, then you support terrorism and acts of brutal barbarity. You can always set me straight on your preferred cult and show me where Islam is working out jus' fine. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 31 minutes ago, GostHacked said: One last time for the trolls out there. I do not support Islam. Got it poochy?? You still submit to laws, willingly. You're free to want Sharia to rule Canada. Folks like myself WILL push back against such efforts. No matter what names you call them. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 4 hours ago, GostHacked said: Sure it looks different but the notion is the same, there are rules we follow, we submit to them because to us, those rules make sense. But we try, in this culture, to keep the laws somewhat fair and just. And even then we don't always subscribe to them or submit to them willingly. And even if we did both how does that suggest we should not express our extreme disapproval of laws which are patently unjust and have brutal punishments? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 29, 2017 Report Posted June 29, 2017 1 hour ago, dialamah said: That doesn't work. If you aren't scared of Islam and Muslims, then you support terrorism and acts of brutal barbarity. I'm not scared of Islam and Muslims. However, I disapprove of the way Muslims in the world have adopted Islamic laws written a thousand years ago into their cultural value system, and therefore do not wish more of them to come and live here. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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