My Idea of The Rest of The World

[Omni]

Here's what is happening, and I hope expands: black guy meets white girl and fall in love, yellow man meets black girl and fall in love, white man meets black girl and fall in love, get the picture? And eventually we end up with these babies with a color of, oh lets call it neutral, and then we can get beyond all this xenophobic bullshit and actually do something intelligent.

[dialamah]

Yeah, if only. But then someone would put a cloth on their head and people would lose their minds.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Yeah, if only. But then someone would put a cloth on their head and people would lose their minds.

I know full well my opening comment is more than justa bit of an over simplification, but I'm no spring chicken, and I have a lot of miles behind me. And I have been lucky enough to have held the hands of ladies with different colored skins than mine, and spoken with men that spoke different tongues than mine. All in all, my experience has made the world smaller, and much bigger. Sounds like a contradiction, but I think you get my point. Let's see if others do. Thanks. 

[Ash74]

We would then fight about which God is the right one to worship or which gender has done the most damage. 

Race is but one of many things some fight about. Seems a stupid reason to argue

 

[Omni]

18 minutes ago, Ash74 said:

We would then fight about which God is the right one to worship or which gender has done the most damage. 

Race is but one of many things some fight about. Seems a stupid reason to argue

 

That's what we do now. Hopefully we will get beyond that then, if there is to be a then.

[Omni]

 

[Hal 9000]

Ny dream is to hope we can get back to the idea of "I may not agree with what you're saying, but I'll defend your right to say it".  That we can have good open dialogue and put forth an argument without a group of people shutting down free speech, looting, breaking windows, setting fires and attacking people with bike locks because they choose to support a different idea.  My dream is to send my kids to a rock concert or sporting event without the presence of the military and know that they'll come home.  My dream is to golf at St. Andrews in Scotland.

[Guest]

Fighting each other and killing each other is as natural as breathing for the Human Race.  If we don't have something justifiable to  fight over, we'll make something up.

Omni's dream of miscegenation will continue as the population grows and the world gets smaller, but so will the reasons to hurt each other.  The resources dwindle, the world gets warmer, religion gets more extreme, the response gets more realistic.

My dream was always science fiction.  Technological advancement, and off into the Galaxy.  The perfect life being half Star Trek the Next Generation and half Firefly.  The reality is also going to be science fiction, I'll bet, but it will be closer to Blade Runner or Elysium.

[-TSS-]

The internet has made the world smaller and more open. People cant be lied to in a similar way any more as earlier. Attempts to control the internet are doomed to fail but it doesnt stop many from trying to do so.

[dialamah]

12 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

The internet has made the world smaller and more open. People cant be lied to in a similar way any more as earlier. Attempts to control the internet are doomed to fail but it doesnt stop many from trying to do so.

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I'd say that there is so much misinformation out there, that it's more a matter of deciding which lies one chooses to believe.  We certainly all believe that the information we base our beliefs on is true.

[Ash74]

14 hours ago, bcsapper said:

  The perfect life being half Star Trek the Next Generation and half Firefly.  

Not to cause drift but why "Firefly"?

Excellent show and movie but not a happy and peaceful civilization

[Hal 9000]

I don't know much about Star Trek Wars and whatnot, but if anyone here enjoy's books (it's also a movie but...) grab a copy of 1953's Ray Bradbury book Fahrenheit 451.  Nice afternoon read, but amazingly accurate for where we are today.

[Omni]

15 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Ny dream is to hope we can get back to the idea of "I may not agree with what you're saying, but I'll defend your right to say it".  That we can have good open dialogue and put forth an argument without a group of people shutting down free speech, looting, breaking windows, setting fires and attacking people with bike locks because they choose to support a different idea.  My dream is to send my kids to a rock concert or sporting event without the presence of the military and know that they'll come home.  My dream is to golf at St. Andrews in Scotland.

I did have the great opportunity to crack a ball at St. Andrews. Strangely enough granted to me by a member who was a radio operator on an offshore oil rig west of the African coast. I can tell you the wind was blowing, which is not unusual, and I'm using it as my excuse for not getting anywhere close to par. I just wish my grandparents who emigrated from Scotland had lived long  enough to hear my story. But boy oh boy, I did some some lovely sips of single malts with the descendants. Apparently I will never be a great golfer. Crickey! 

[OftenWrong]

On 2017-05-27 at 1:53 AM, Omni said:

Here's what is happening, and I hope expands: black guy meets white girl and fall in love, yellow man meets black girl and fall in love, white man meets black girl and fall in love, get the picture? And eventually we end up with these babies with a color of, oh lets call it neutral, and then we can get beyond all this xenophobic bullshit and actually do something intelligent.

Xenophobia goes far beyond the simple view that it's about skin colour. In the west, many people of "colour" live comfortably among each other, within the broad (and not particularly well-defined) confines of western culture. Ideas about tolerance, permissiveness are considered quite normal, as is inter-racial love. So what you propose is not a useful solution to the problem of xenophobia. It's when people who are intolerant come in, demanding to preserve those primitive elements of their culture that we see problems in this regard.

[dialamah]

23 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It's when people who are intolerant come in, demanding to preserve those primitive elements of their culture that we see problems in this regard.

Can you give an example of a demand made to preserve a primitive element of someone's culture?    

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Ash74 said:

Not to cause drift but why "Firefly"?

Excellent show and movie but not a happy and peaceful civilization

It looked like so much fun.  I would have had my own ship, just like Mal's

But it would have had a replicator, and Councillor Troi.

And a holodeck!

Edited May 28, 2017 by bcsapper

[Omni]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Xenophobia goes far beyond the simple view that it's about skin colour. In the west, many people of "colour" live comfortably among each other, within the broad (and not particularly well-defined) confines of western culture. Ideas about tolerance, permissiveness are considered quite normal, as is inter-racial love. So what you propose is not a useful solution to the problem of xenophobia. It's when people who are intolerant come in, demanding to preserve those primitive elements of their culture that we see problems in this regard.

If you read my second post I put to this thread you will see I addressed the point of over simplification. Unfortunately there are a number among us for whom xenophobia is as simple as skin color. Look around this forum and you will find examples. I do believe, whether you find it too simple or not, that as various cultures from the far corners of the planet are more able to "mix and mingle", if for no other simple reason than the ever expanding availability of long range, affordable transportation, and most people's natural curiosity to look a little further than their immediate surroundings they were born into, that the fears that exist between cultures will fade, as will the color of skins. 

[Hal 9000]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Xenophobia goes far beyond the simple view that it's about skin colour. In the west, many people of "colour" live comfortably among each other, within the broad (and not particularly well-defined) confines of western culture. Ideas about tolerance, permissiveness are considered quite normal, as is inter-racial love. So what you propose is not a useful solution to the problem of xenophobia. It's when people who are intolerant come in, demanding to preserve those primitive elements of their culture that we see problems in this regard.

Totally agree!  Hair texture is a big issue also.

[Omni]

1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said:

Totally agree!  Hair texture is a big issue also.

Hmm, hair texture is also an issue with you? 

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Omni said:

I do believe, whether you find it too simple or not, that as various cultures from the far corners of the planet are more able to "mix and mingle", if for no other simple reason than the ever expanding availability of long range, affordable transportation, and most people's natural curiosity to look a little further than their immediate surroundings they were born into, that the fears that exist between cultures will fade, as will the color of skins. 

People have a natural tendency to want to preserve their uniqueness, for the sake of heritage. There could be many reasons why they want this, like honouring the memory of their forefathers. I have no problem living with people of different skin colours, religions, cultures or what have you. I see no need to abolish those differences, in fact quite the opposite, better that they are preserved, uniquely so that my children carry on the traditions of our family, and those who came before us. This is provided these cultures coexist peacefully under the legal framework of our country.

Of course there are other reasons for not wanting people to come into Canada, like economics.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

People have a natural tendency to want to preserve their uniqueness, for the sake of heritage. There could be many reasons why they want this, like honouring the memory of their forefathers. I have no problem living with people of different skin colours, religions, cultures or what have you. I see no need to abolish those differences, in fact quite the opposite, better that they are preserved, uniquely so that my children carry on the traditions of our family, and those who came before us. This is provided these cultures coexist peacefully under the legal framework of our country.

Of course there are other reasons for not wanting people to come into Canada, like economics.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you should be forced to marry, say, a Black woman, just don't build a Trump wall against anyone else doing so. And of course there are reasons for wanting people to come to Canada, like economics.

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

Totally agree!  Hair texture is a big issue also.

Sometimes black women straighten their hair, presumably to look like "everyone else". But their skin is still dark. If they suddenly appeared in Omni's future world, people would not be able to accept someone so different. They would be locked up, prevented from breeding in their own free will until their genetics is diluted.

Omni's future world is a nightmare vision. Although it was intended to promote tolerance it does so be eradicating differences, not tolerating them. It is, ironically, even more intolerant.

[taxme]

9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

People have a natural tendency to want to preserve their uniqueness, for the sake of heritage. There could be many reasons why they want this, like honouring the memory of their forefathers. I have no problem living with people of different skin colours, religions, cultures or what have you. I see no need to abolish those differences, in fact quite the opposite, better that they are preserved, uniquely so that my children carry on the traditions of our family, and those who came before us. This is provided these cultures coexist peacefully under the legal framework of our country.

Of course there are other reasons for not wanting people to come into Canada, like economics.

So, as a pro-white activist like myself, and very concerned about the possible extinction of the Caucasian people thru all the different anti-Caucasian programs and agendas that have become so prevalent these days, is this a wrong thing to be wasting my time on or do you get my point that Caucasians are in serious trouble here? Do Caucasians have the right to protect themselves and be allowed to exist from the promoters of mix racial/gay relationships because that is what appears to be going on these days? Hollywood also and the entertainment industry are big pushers in trying to promote this white with white gay or the mixing of the white races with others. 

When I watch many commercials these days, they will always show either a white-white gay relationship or a white and non-white straight relationship all the time. Why do they never show a black and black or a black and Asian gay couple or an Asian and black straight couple? These commercials always seem to only want to show white people being gay or are all in favor of a mixed color relationships. I believe that if the creator/s or nature wanted just one human skin color it would have been so. What think you? 

[taxme]

On 5/26/2017 at 10:53 PM, Omni said:

Here's what is happening, and I hope expands: black guy meets white girl and fall in love, yellow man meets black girl and fall in love, white man meets black girl and fall in love, get the picture? And eventually we end up with these babies with a color of, oh lets call it neutral, and then we can get beyond all this xenophobic bullshit and actually do something intelligent.

Spoken like a true pro-multicultural liberal. Here is what i see is wrong. Why don't we ever see a black and Asian gay couple or an Asian and black straight couple on commercials these days? Isn't this suppose to be what multiculturalism is all about or is multiculturalism only for Caucasian people to get themselves involved in? This constant white/white gay relationship or this constant white/non-white relationship on commercials appears to be trying to send a message to all white people that those relationships are all just great for white people. I think that we are seeing way too much of this kind of promotion by Hollywood and the entertainment industry, and in commercials. If the creator/s wanted a neutral color human beings it would have been created by them. The mixing and promoting of those anti-white agendas and programs are a real big danger to the Caucasian people and their very existence. 

[Omni]

10 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Sometimes black women straighten their hair, presumably to look like "everyone else". But their skin is still dark. If they suddenly appeared in Omni's future world, people would not be able to accept someone so different. They would be locked up, prevented from breeding in their own free will until their genetics is diluted.

Omni's future world is a nightmare vision. Although it was intended to promote tolerance it does so be eradicating differences, not tolerating them. It is, ironically, even more intolerant.

You don't "suddenly appear" in any world, especially Omni's. In my world babies would appear looking like all the other babies, and wouldn't have to worry about racist assholes.