Possible war between USA and North Korea

[ZenOps]

I've always felt that the US will do what is in the interest of the US.

Meaning that its possible that the US will do what gains it the most, whether it is by selling guns to both sides of a conflict, or by keeping enemies closer.

South Korea is actually in a very vulnerable state right now, no leadership on impeachment, and a populace that more or less thinks that the US is "on their side".  I would not be surprised that if a war did break out, the US would simply *let* North Korea soften up the South and then simply use their bases in the south to establish dominance over South Korea.   I mean seriously, turncoats are a solid part of US history - and you turncoat if you think its in your best interest.  Its not in the US interest to invade North Korea, there is really nothing to "take".

That's not to say that the US would ally with North Korea, but they could definitely use North Korea to establish a puppet regime in South Korea.

I think South Korea might have already lost.

Edited April 28, 2017 by ZenOps

[bush_cheney2004]

If South Korea wanted the U.S. military out of the country, it would have happened long ago, same as the Philippines.

These Canadian teachers were kicked out of South Korea very recently:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/offshore-international-school-south-korean-cbis-1.4087304

[ZenOps]

I think South Korea is pretty naïve.

To think that the US wouldn't somehow try to take over South Korea if North Korea was successfully invaded is crazy.  I mean look at what Wesley Clark had in mind for the middle east, he outlined a campaign that would have one country fall, hopefully seven, maybe eight and also being able to prepare friendly nations as puppet states.  Alliances in war are only usually good for as long as it is useful, but once war actually starts, you do not want to have too many unknowns within your own country, and the US is a huge unknown to have in your own country *just* for the idea that leadership changes every four years.

Edited April 28, 2017 by ZenOps

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, ZenOps said:

I think South Korea is pretty naïve.

To think that the US wouldn't somehow try to take over South Korea ....

 

Why would the U.S. want to "take over" South Korea ?     The United Nations Command support by U.S. troops is subject to a status of forces agreement between the two governments.    The ROC needs the U.S. far more than the U.S. needs more HD televisions.

[ironstone]

On 4/26/2017 at 1:31 AM, Charlie said:

Fat Kim has been the leader of NK for years now. Before that we had Fat Kim's father. And world was just doing fine.

100 days in Trump presidency & we see a nuclear threat to the world.  

Who should we blame it for? What changed?

 

So you clearly have no problem with North Korea's constant saber rattling over many decades,not to mention the brutal treatment of it's own people?But now that there may be a leader in the White House who will not be as passive as the one before him that bothers you?

North Korea is the problem.

[Charlie]

On 5/1/2017 at 3:14 AM, ironstone said:

So you clearly have no problem with North Korea's constant saber rattling over many decades,not to mention the brutal treatment of it's own people?But now that there may be a leader in the White House who will not be as passive as the one before him that bothers you?

North Korea is the problem.

OK. Good timing. Now Trump says he will be honored to meet Fat Kim: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/01/trump-says-he-would-be-honoured-to-meet-north-korean-dictator-kim.html

I have family living in South Korea and quite concerned about recent escalations. Having one idiot (Fat Kim) was a well understood norm and all of us knew that we will be safe because the other party is rational. Now that Trump is totally bipolar in his foreign policy, it is concerning. Chances of making a nuclear mistake have multiplied. 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, Charlie said:

...I have family living in South Korea and quite concerned about recent escalations. Having one idiot (Fat Kim) was a well understood norm and all of us knew that we will be safe because the other party is rational. Now that Trump is totally bipolar in his foreign policy, it is concerning. Chances of making a nuclear mistake have multiplied. 

 

The threat to South Korea is not a nuclear mistake.   The threat is very conventional military force just kilometers away.

South Korea is welcomed to solve its "Fat Kim" problem all by itself if it wants too.    It's only been like 65 years.....

[Omni]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The threat to South Korea is not a nuclear mistake.   The threat is very conventional military force just kilometers away.

South Korea is welcomed to solve its "Fat Kim" problem all by itself if it wants too.    It's only been like 65 years.....

Trump will just have "Fat KiM" over to the WH for dinner and all will be well.

[Charlie]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

South Korea is welcomed to solve its "Fat Kim" problem all by itself if it wants too.    It's only been like 65 years.....

 

South Korea was the poorest country in the world in 1960s. Now it's a rich modern democracy. I don't have a single example of this kind of progress being made anywhere in the world.  Last several decades haven't been problematic at all. They were some of the best years for South Koreans who have educated themselves, learnt the top technologies and built an amazing economic power house in Asia. 

"Fat Kim" is a problem that will solve itself.Once people of North Korea realize that they have been manipulated and they get up for their right. No need for military threats and creating tensions on the border. 

[Rue]

Charlie I sympathize with you. South Korea lives next door and in missile and physical striking distance of clearly some strange alien who looks like the product of incest and/or someone who has eaten too many babies. I feel for you. No I would not be too happy with the crap that's been going on in South Korean politics with all that corruption with your crazy lady who I think is the reincarnation of Imelda Marcos and now  this fat boy next door, the ever dangerous China and certainly the never predictable Donald Trump. Look you live in a dangerous part of the world. You have China bullying its way with Vietnam anc off the coast of Taiwan, you guys constantly having to worry about the fat boy and your own internal situation and highly competitive and tough economy and stressful lifestyle it brings, not too mention  a very very unstable Japanese economy, some mad man in the Philippines.

All I will say is this and call me naïve. I  think when it comes to military foreign policy, there are sufficient people surrounding Trump who prevent him from doing anything stupid. There is no doubt with domestic foreign policy he is one crazy unpredictable lunatic. He yells at South Korea fre free trade like he does Canada free trade. Yah its strange-he  is sending signals to South Korea like he does Canada. however when it comes to military foreign policy he is insulated by some good generals. The guy now in charge of  the Defence Ministry in the US and the National Security advisor are very stable people. I was more concerned with Obama then them in charge of US military interests.

North Korea makes a lot of noise to get attention. You know its m.o. Make loud noises and the US throws food at it to shut it up. You've seen that for years.

Is the rhetoric any different then its ever been? Probably not. sure I saw that last military parade like youw ith the goose stepping and garbage cans. Lol are they really full of nuclear material? I doubt it. All show. Could North Korea harm you of course but you know it would probably be with conventional missiles and/or chemicals. They have more chemicals than they do nuke weapons. I think the nuke story whether its the Korean peninsula o r the Middle East is a cover for concern about germ warfare myself.

Should you worry? Yes and no. If you worry about things you have no control over you go nuts. South Korea already is so competitive and stressful just to make it then you have to worry about Fat Boy or Trump? Too much overload man. Take it one day at a time. Go day by day on this and thank every day. I guess I am saying is have a little faith.

Man I know that is corny but in a crazy world its all you got. Hey man I drive a Kia. I am on your side!

Edited May 2, 2017 by Rue

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, Charlie said:

"Fat Kim" is a problem that will solve itself.Once people of North Korea realize that they have been manipulated and they get up for their right. No need for military threats and creating tensions on the border. 

 

Great, then the United Nations Command and all U.S. troops can pull out of South Korea today.   The U.S. will save billions of dollars, and South Korea can renew families and friendships with the DPRK.  

Who knew it could be so easy !?

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

 

....All I will say is this and call me naïve. I  think when it comes to military foreign policy, there are sufficient people surrounding Trump who prevent him from doing anything stupid. There is no doubt with domestic foreign policy he is one crazy unpredictable lunatic. He yells at South Korea fre free trade like he does Canada free trade. Yah its strange-he  is sending signals to South Korea like he does Canada. however when it comes to military foreign policy he is insulated by some good generals. The guy now in charge of  the Defence Ministry in the US and the National Security advisor are very stable people. I was more concerned with Obama then them in charge of US military interests.

 

 

This is to be expected from Canada or South Korea, which both want to spend less on their military while relying on a U.S. military alliance.

The U.S. can solve South Korea's problem right now by leaving the country.

[ZenOps]

The US would take over South Korea because they can.  Just like Wesley Clark said on the middle east, they really wanted to take out one country, but if they were lucky they would be able to take out seven or eight, and maybe a few neutrals.

Once the war machine starts, you really don't stop for peace loving people just because they might have been slightly helpful (naïve)  Realistically even if you wanted to stop a war machine, it might not be possible.

Trump wants to charge South Korea for "protection" services under THAAD.  Could have seen that one coming.  THAAD high altitude ICBM interception missles, can just as easily deploy nukes like Starfish Prime as they can shoot down other ICBMs.

[xul]

On 2017-4-28 at 2:25 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Why would the U.S. want to "take over" South Korea ?     

Division of Korea

 

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two days after the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan.^[6] Soviet troops advanced rapidly, and the US government became anxious that they would occupy the whole of Korea. On August 10, 1945 two young officers – Dean Rusk and Charles Bonesteel – were assigned to define an American occupation zone. Working on extremely short notice and completely unprepared, they used a National Geographic map to decide on the 38th parallel. They chose it because it divided the country approximately in half but would place the capital Seoul under American control. No experts on Korea were consulted. 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

The U.S. should leave South Korea so all of the critics can get exactly what they don't want...Korean War v2.0.

Throw China a bone.....

[Omni]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The U.S. should leave South Korea so all of the critics can get exactly what they don't want...Korean War v2.0.

Throw China a bone.....

Oh don't fret, when Trump "honors" Fat Kim at the WH for dinner, I'm sure the tensions will reside.

[-TSS-]

Hopefully the new South-Korean president eases the tension as he has taken a reconciliatory tone towards NK.

[JamesHackerMP]

On 4/28/2017 at 0:13 AM, eyeball said:

This is exactly the sort of foreign military policy that should be emulated in much of the ME and surrounding regions.  Leave it up to those countries neighbouring the world's hotspots to cool things down. The minute they think they're on their own the sooner they'll step up and act in their own interest. By all means we should be there in a humanitarian capacity but as far as being a distant police force...we couldn't shoot straight to save our own lives never mind the conflicted interests we usually end intervening on behalf of.

The problem with this theory is that they will not "step up and act in their own interest" just because they think they're on their own.  The countries there will not cool things down.  It's wishful thinking.  Americans say exactly this thing all the time.  We shouldn't be there, these people should take care of their own region, etc.  If it were that simple America wouldn't have any cause to be there, wouldn't be spending billions of dollars on the region not just in war but in foreign aid.

[eyeball]

Fine, let them collapse on their own if that's how the cookie crumbles. You insist on being part of it you pay for it.