The Ill feeling between left and right on immigration

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

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1. Are you trying to tell me that there is no Zionist conspiracy? I can go on the internet right now and find plenty of websites exposing Zionist conspiracies. Stop talking, do some walking. 

2. You are an irrational,  unfair and a bias moderator  

3. So, just how or where am I race-baiting here? 

1.  No conspiracy.  Just a bunch of sad losers recycling Nazi propaganda because they were unloved by their mothers.  Go ahead and post your Stormfront sources if you want.

2. For the umpteenth time I am not moderating.  You don't seem to get it.

3. See #1.

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes they will likely get the blame.

Dam right they will be. If one is a white nationalist than they can be no good, and can never do any good. Only leftie liberals are the good guys/gals. Bull chit. 

[Michael Hardner]

Sorry but I have to go to an emergency meeting at Soros tactical deployment center.

[marcus]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Nothing in anything you've linked to contradicts either my statements, or my links. You are making presumptions about what it means in the same way immigration supporters claimed Syrian refugees were being carefully screened.

Why would I scan something that I already have in PDF form?

I take most of what I have said back, including the personal attacks. If you have gone through the process of requesting the information, I am actually impressed. Kudos to anyone who wants to learn more, especially if they are going out of their way to get information.

I work at a law firm and one of our specialties is immigration. We have regular meetings with the government and other stakeholders in policy research and settings.

It's important to note, as I have mentioned before, that majority of people accepted and selected for permanent residency through majority of the economic programs are selected based on their merits. Almost all of these programs are now based on a point system. This transition started about 3 years ago.

Here is my explanation: The information you have posted is about visa issuance*. Here are the steps for majority of the applicants in the economic program:

- Applicant is picked based on a merit point system - They can go through Express Entry, Provincial Nominee, Quebec Skilled Worker or a provincial entrepreneur program
- Application is submitted to a centralized intake
- Application is accepted (or rejected) based on whether the application is complete and if they are able to show evidence of what they have said
- Background/security check is done by the visa office responsible for them
- If accepted, then the visa office responsible issues their visas*

Just to re-iterate: In majority of economic permanent residency applications, the determination on whether a person's credentials and application has been accepted is not based on the visa office. Everyone starts at the same level. It's just the final steps of background/security check and the actual issuance, which is done by the visa office. 

That too is changing. Another transition that is happening is that visa issuance is going towards a centralized system as well. 

The busiest visa offices are Hong Kong, London, Beirut, Manila, New Delhi and Ankara.  The targets set are based on the predicted numbers they expect to receive. This is why, once a person's application is accepted on principle, the last part of the application may take longer at one visa office, rather than the other. So a German's application will be processed quicker, because it's going to Vienna, where there is less of a backlog as compared to an Iraqi, whose application is going through Ankara. But the determination on whether they are qualified is all the same.

 

 

[marcus]

20 minutes ago, taxme said:

 We have approx two million unemployed Canadians in Canada

Are these unemployed able to fill the vacant jobs we have? The answer is, in majority of cases, no. They're not qualified and in most cases, they're not willing to go through the education program to become qualified.

There is a REAL shortage of skilled workers in Canada. There is actually a battle between many Western countries over skilled workers, like engineers, trades people, IT specialist and people who work in healthcare, like nurses. 

The large bulk of immigration (see status in the previous page), comes through the skilled worker program. We need these people. Go look on jobbank.gc.ca and see all of the vacant job openings. If a Canadian company could find a Canadian workers, they would. Because there is a big hassle and not to mention costs in hiring a foreign worker and/or assisting them and sponsoring them for immigration. We need immigration because there is a real need for it.

The one area that I would say, there needs to be some improvement is in the low skilled jobs, like working at fast food restaurants. These big chain restaurants have a lot of lobbying power and they were able to convince the previous government and the current government to make it easy to hire low wage foreign workers. But that's a different discussion.

[capricorn]

6 minutes ago, marcus said:

So a German's application will be processed quicker, because it's going to Vienna, where there is less of a backlog as compared to an Iraqi, whose application is going through Ankara. But the determination on whether they are qualified is all the same.

Interesting post marcus. Are applicants restricted to apply in their particular jurisdiction? In other words, in your example, would the Iraqi applicant be advised that it would be advantageous to apply in Vienna or must the Iraqi applicant apply through Ankara?

[marcus]

5 minutes ago, capricorn said:

Interesting post marcus. Are applicants restricted to apply in their particular jurisdiction? In other words, in your example, would the Iraqi applicant be advised that it would be advantageous to apply in Vienna or must the Iraqi applicant apply through Ankara?

Just to be clear, we're talking about 'permanent residency' and not 'temporary residency'. 

For permanent residency, everyone starts at the same place. The application goes to one central intake. Once they are picked from a pool, based on their profile and points, and once they submit their full application then the application is forwarded to the visa office responsible. Their application, at the end of the process (background/security and visa issuance) will automatically go to the visa office responsible for where they are citizen of or a permanent resident of. Therefore, they cannot select where their application will be sent.

Edited August 14, 2017 by marcus

[taxme]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sorry but I have to go to an emergency meeting at Soros tactical deployment center.

I can believe that alright. Where will your next choice be for creating chaos and havoc going to happen?  At least this time give the store owners some warning will you so that they can at least prepare for the Soros gang of thugs who will surely be smashing their windows and stealing their merchandise.  Of course you will never see those so-called white nationalists doing things like that.  They respect property. Soros and his paid sjw thugs only know how to destroy things.  Enjoy your Soros zionist get together.  

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, marcus said:

Are these unemployed able to fill the vacant jobs we have? The answer is, in majority of cases, no. They're not qualified and in most cases, they're not willing to go through the education program to become qualified.

There is a REAL shortage of skilled workers in Canada. There is actually a battle between many Western countries over skilled workers, like engineers, trades people, IT specialist and people who work in healthcare, like nurses. 

The large bulk of immigration (see status in the previous page), comes through the skilled worker program. We need these people. Go look on jobbank.gc.ca and see all of the vacant job openings. If a Canadian company could find a Canadian workers, they would. Because there is a big hassle and not to mention costs in hiring a foreign worker and/or assisting them and sponsoring them for immigration. We need immigration because there is a real need for it.

The one area that I would say, there needs to be some improvement is in the low skilled jobs, like working at fast food restaurants. These big chain restaurants have a lot of lobbying power and they were able to convince the previous government and the current government to make it easy to hire low wage foreign workers. But that's a different discussion.

Newfoundlanders are hard workers and have a bit of a problem with unemployment in their province. But that does not stop them from going to places like Alberta to get a job in the oil fields. Just pay your workers and those Canadians you say that on't want to work will work. And there are plenty of Canadians who are willing to work in fast food joints. This bs that Canadians don't want to work is a bit over blown. And no one can tell me that some good paying jobs like working for the private sector or the government is not going to new immigrants that come to Canada, and who are taking jobs away from Canadians who need those jobs. We have a hiring only policy in Canada, and plenty of good paying jobs are being given to new immigrants.  This should not be happening. Canadians should come first, not immigrants. If they cannot start up their own business or don't want to work for McDonald.s well too bad for them. 

[taxme]

46 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  No conspiracy.  Just a bunch of sad losers recycling Nazi propaganda because they were unloved by their mothers.  Go ahead and post your Stormfront sources if you want.

2. For the umpteenth time I am not moderating.  You don't seem to get it.

3. See #1.

Conspiracy, yes. I don't post any Stormfront news here. More bs coming from you. Why do you keep backing Soros and his ilk anyway? Does all the chaos and havoc that this moron tries to create work for you? I have not seen any white nationalists going around breaking windows or stealing something when they demonstarte. What? Do you just hate white people? 

Well, whatever it is you are doing here, I don't get it? 

3. Seeing that you are wondering why no one talks about white supremacy, probably because there is none.  But now that you mentioned it, why does no one here appear to want to ever talk about Jewish supremacy or black supremacy? Funny, isn't it?  

[marcus]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

Newfoundlanders are hard workers and have a bit of a problem with unemployment in their province. But that does not stop them from going to places like Alberta to get a job in the oil fields. Just pay your workers and those Canadians you say that on't want to work will work. And there are plenty of Canadians who are willing to work in fast food joints. This bs that Canadians don't want to work is a bit over blown. And no one can tell me that some good paying jobs like working for the private sector or the government is not going to new immigrants that come to Canada, and who are taking jobs away from Canadians who need those jobs. We have a hiring only policy in Canada, and plenty of good paying jobs are being given to new immigrants.  This should not be happening. Canadians should come first, not immigrants. If they cannot start up their own business or don't want to work for McDonald.s well too bad for them. 

Only a small number of the unemployed are willing to take a 4+ year degree program to become an engineer, IT specialist, graphics designer, nurse, welder, carpenter, electrician etc. etc.

Fast food chains aside, companies would prefer to hire a Canadian, because of the cost and the hassle of hiring a foreign worker. It's just that they can't. There aren't any qualified workers to take the positions.

There is a real starvation for skilled workers around the world.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

I have not seen any white nationalists going around breaking windows or stealing something 

You're right - all they did was innocently try to drive over 20 people

 

[taxme]

21 minutes ago, marcus said:

Just to be clear, we're talking about 'permanent residency' and not 'temporary residency'. 

For permanent residency, everyone starts at the same place. The application goes to one central intake. Once they are picked from a pool, based on their profile and points, and once they submit their full application then the application is forwarded to the visa office responsible. Their application, at the end of the process (background/security and visa issuance) will automatically go to the visa office responsible for where they are citizen of or a permanent resident of. Therefore, they cannot select where their application will be sent.

First we have legal immigrants and than we have illegal immigrants. Than we have refugees. Than we have migrants. Than we have temporary foreign workers and than we have permanent residency and than we have temporary residency. Then we allow foreign students in. How many more terms are there out there for new immigrants or whatever taht are coming to Canada?

It's starting to look like the LGBTQ list and whatever other letter of the alphabet that they can throw in there and come up with. I guess that the next few words that will be added to the list will be B for beastiality, . I for Incest and P for pedophilia. Am I missing anything else?  

What a phu--ked country this Canada is. But we Canadians love it, right?  We love and enjoy putting all kinds of chit in our heads, don't we?  

[marcus]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

First we have legal immigrants and than we have illegal immigrants. Than we have refugees. Than we have migrants. Than we have temporary foreign workers and than we have permanent residency and than we have temporary residency. Then we allow foreign students in. How many more terms are there out there for new immigrants or whatever taht are coming to Canada?

It's starting to look like the LGBTQ list and whatever other letter of the alphabet that they can throw in there and come up with. I guess that the next few words that will be added to the list will be B for beastiality, . I for Incest and P for pedophilia. Am I missing anything else?  

What a phu--ked country this Canada is. But we Canadians love it, right?  We love and enjoy putting all kinds of chit in our heads, don't we?  

Don't let it confuse you. It's a complicated process.

Permanent Residency = Skilled Workers Applicants, Sponsorships, Refugees, Investors/Entrepreneurs

Temporary Residency = Someone who is here as an international student, foreign worker, tourist

Temporary residence have a permit to stay in Canada for a specific period of time. Some of these people end up applying for permanent residency. Which eventually leads to citizenship.

[taxme]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're right - all they did was innocently try to drive over 20 people

 

The ones that were demonstrating were not involved with the one who was driving that vehicle. They were marching, not driving. This guy was a nut case, and no one knows as to why he did what he did.  Maybe he was trying to drive down some white nationalists for all we know. Maybe the guy was one of those G. Soros supporters for all we know? There are plenty of them out there, don't you know, who have been brainwashed by the likes of Soros and his sick ilk to hate their Caucasian race. Just saying. 

[taxme]

3 minutes ago, marcus said:

Don't let it confuse you. It's a complicated process.

Permanent Residency = Skilled Workers Applicants, Sponsorships, Refugees, Investors/Entrepreneurs

Temporary Residency = Someone who is here as an international student, foreign worker, tourist

Temporary residence have a permit to stay in Canada for a specific period of time. Some of these people end up applying for permanent residency. Which eventually leads to citizenship.

Complicated process alright. Everything these days about Canada is confusing and complicated, and that is just the way politicians like it. Create confusion and make things complicated and than that creates problems which then the politicians try to pretend that they are going to fix which they never do anyway. Creating confusion, complication, and division which than helps keep them give us all the impression that they are concerned about Canada and Canadians, and are working hard for their money.  

I guess that is just another way of sneaking in to Canada also by coming to Canada on a temporary residency permit with the express purpose of later applying for citizenship.  Hey, I am here now let me stay. They probably than will get to stay.  What a country. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

First of all you have to get the lazy, apathetic, naive and politically stunned Canadian people to start giving a chit. That will be what they call an "an exercise in futility".  

Maybe you guys should round us up instead.

So where is the line for you guys anyway, at what point do you simply stop talking about this dire threat to your silly race and actually doing something about it?  It appears that forever talking about it while never doing anything is probably the bigger exercise in futility here.

Mind you taking action didn't get your ilk very far either as I recall so...

Good luck in any case.

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, marcus said:

I agree that we should have a debate about the number of people coming into Canada through the refugee system and also a debate about how to deal with their integration. 

My position is that we can afford to do this, like we have done before with refugees coming from the Balkans, from Vietnam and those fleeing the holocaust.

I think when there are vulnerable people around the world, personally, I am okay with my government welcoming at least some of them into the country. It's my personal feeling to a situation like this, but I also take history into consideration as well. Our history shows that bringing in refugees have turned out okay. Nothing is ever perfect, but the majority of the population who have come in and have been able to integrate. 

My response to Argus was not about refugees. I was correcting him on wrong information he shared on here, where he said Canada's immigration system 'prefers newcomers from third world countries'. Which is absolutely wrong.

A lot of these debates and arguments start with misconceptions and misinformation like the one Argus shared and if they go unchallenged, then everything beyond the comment is just a waste of time. 

Nobody opposes helping legitimate refugees up to a point.  But you have to remember there are millions of people in poverty and an endless number of refugees.  The costs of what assistance Canada provides must be watched closely.  That is the limiting factor.  Obviously Canada cannot solve the whole world's problems.  There are many other countries that could be doing more than they are for legitimate refugees.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe you guys should round us up instead.

So where is the line for you guys anyway, at what point do you simply stop talking about this dire threat to your silly race and actually doing something about it?  It appears that forever talking about it while never doing anything is probably the bigger exercise in futility here.

Mind you taking action didn't get your ilk very far either as I recall so...

Good luck in any case.

The revolution has begun. It will take time to get going after decades of liberalism and socialism. Soon the talking will be over and the walking will begin. As Mao once said "the journey begins with the first step". The first steps have already begun. 

I didn't know that I belonged to a "silly race"? Why or how are Caucasian people a "silly race"?  If it were not for that "silly race" you would not be on a computer spouting off your nonsense or being able to take a plane and fly anywhere in the world that you want to go too. There would be no cars or buses or trucks around to drive. No cruise ships for you to be able to cruise on to be able to visit some exotic tropical island somewhere. Electricity to allow you to do so much with. Telephones to be able to talk to your family miles away. Plumbing to allow water to flow thru your home. Kitchens that women over a hundred years ago could not even dream about or garages and sheds to hold the many power tools and other mechanical machines that were invented to make men's and women's lives easier and making life so much more enjoyable and fun for all. Geez, we have done very good for being a "silly race" . We made the world a better place to live wouldn't you say?

What action are you talking about that didn't get my ilk very far? Recall it for me will you?   

Indeed good luck to you also.  

  

[PIK]

On 8/12/2017 at 9:44 AM, jacee said:

Canada has always had a steady stream of immigrants through the application process, and also waves of people displaced from their own countries by wars, famine, etc. This has been the same since before Canada was Canada.

And during every wave, there are always a few people crying 'IT'S A CATASTROPHY!!!'

It never is.

And life goes on.

Some people just like to create drama.

Some people just like to blame and hate.

Most of us just want to live our lives in peace, grateful to be Canadian and not haters, and welcome new people to join us in that. 

Happy summer, folks!

Enjoy! 

 

We always brought in immigrants that wanted to fit in and be canadian, not just come here with your baggage ,looking for a better deal. We now have refugee tents on our border. 2 yrs under trudeau and we now look like the middle east.Is everyone blind?

Edited August 14, 2017 by PIK

[Argus]

16 hours ago, marcus said:

I take most of what I have said back, including the personal attacks. If you have gone through the process of requesting the information, I am actually impressed. Kudos to anyone who wants to learn more, especially if they are going out of their way to get information.

Thanks, but you have to go out of your way to get information on immigration since the government does its best to ensure you find out as little as possible. What I got was not the entirety of what I asked for so I will be making another request. I wanted to know how many qualified applications were submitted to the various visa offices vs how many wound up being accepted.

16 hours ago, marcus said:

I work at a law firm and one of our specialties is immigration. We have regular meetings with the government and other stakeholders in policy research and settings.

One would presume, then, that you have a financial stake in protecting high rates of immigration and refugees.

16 hours ago, marcus said:

It's important to note, as I have mentioned before, that majority of people accepted and selected for permanent residency through majority of the economic programs are selected based on their merits. Almost all of these programs are now based on a point system. This transition started about 3 years ago.

Governments have been trying to select people for these programs based on various ideas of who would be most economically successful in Canada for a long time, to varying degrees of success. The ability of government to determine who will be economically successful in Canada seems vanishingly slim. Do you know what the number one and two 'professions' are among those who apply under the express entry program? Cooks and kitchen staff. Do you know how little cooks and kitchen staff make in Canada? 

16 hours ago, marcus said:

The busiest visa offices are Hong Kong, London, Beirut, Manila, New Delhi and Ankara.  The targets set are based on the predicted numbers they expect to receive.

I narrowed down your text to this because it is the point of disagreement between us. If you examine the document I posted you will see that the variance between what they 'predicted' they would receive, and what visas they handed out, were, in almost all cases, nil. I'm sorry but I do not credit government with this level of perfection, that at the beginning of the year they predicted they would get 12,307 acceptable applications, and wound up handing out 12,307 visas. 

If the target numbers were simple predictions then we would expect to see in many cases that they had been greatly exceeded or that the numbers of visas handed out would be lower. That didn't happen. In virtually every single case the visa offices handed out 100% of the visas they had targeted. Oh, occasionally it was 99% or 101%, but the perfection of their estimates to what resulted is simply too exact to be the result of anything but CIC executives making sure that whatever the "prediction" was, for a given visa office, that was how many visas were handed out.

Then there's that little thing about reality. How often have I read stories of the numbers of Irish who have been working illegally in Canada, of how many Irish would love to immigrate here, but can't? The unemployment rate for those under thirty has hovered around 40%-50% in much of southern Europe for a decade now yet we're to believe Rome had just 3700 successful applicants in all categories!? Even though Rome is also the visa processing centre for other countries, including Greece? How many Greeks do you think would like to get the hell out and come to Canada? Almost none? Ukraine is a mess, but only 1777 Ukrainians tried to emigrate to Canada last year? Really?

It seems patently obvious to me that that cite you dismissed as being too old, is right on the money. CIC bureaucrats decide how many visas will be issued from various visa offices, and that's that.

[Argus]

16 hours ago, marcus said:

Only a small number of the unemployed are willing to take a 4+ year degree program to become an engineer, IT specialist, graphics designer, nurse, welder, carpenter, electrician etc. etc.

I've spoken of this before. There are two answers to job shortages, but for the most part, the market takes care of this if left alone. Not enough widget makers? Well then, companies will compete to hire those widget makers who are here, and thus bid up the price. Other workers will see how much widget makers are getting, and retrain to become a widget maker. What we have in Canada are corporate interests who do not want to bid up the price of labour, and prefer to have the government bring in temporary or permanent workers from abroad in order to keep wages low.

The second answer is that our governments do many things bad, but I don't think they do anything as badly as handling retraining for the chronically underworked or unemployed to get them into industries which need skilled or even semi skilled workers. The reason few unemployed are 'willing' to take a 4 year degree program in IT is because they can't afford the tuition and to be without income for four years.

Let me suggest to you what I would do. I would have someone who comes into a government unemployment office multiple times be sent to a retraining specialist. There he/she would be tested on their skills/education, and presented with a list of opportunities. The government will pay them a reasonable stipend while they get their high school diploma, for example, and pay them a stipend to learn how to become a pipe welder or nurse or graphics designer, depending on their talents and inclinations. The government will also assist in getting them into apprentice programs and work terms with industry, and both industry and the unemployed worker will be required to cooperate in this endeavor. If they fail to do so without just cause there will be financial penalties.

Not everyone is capable of doing skilled work. Fine, let them work in restaurant kitchens, then. Perhaps if we stop bringing in kitchen workers from abroad the restaurants will raise their salaries so unskilled Canadians will be drawn in to replace them.

[Rue]

18 hours ago, marcus said:

I agree that we should have a debate about the number of people coming into Canada through the refugee system and also a debate about how to deal with their integration. 

My position is that we can afford to do this, like we have done before with refugees coming from the Balkans, from Vietnam and those fleeing the holocaust.

I think when there are vulnerable people around the world, personally, I am okay with my government welcoming at least some of them into the country. It's my personal feeling to a situation like this, but I also take history into consideration as well. Our history shows that bringing in refugees have turned out okay. Nothing is ever perfect, but the majority of the population who have come in and have been able to integrate. 

My response to Argus was not about refugees. I was correcting him on wrong information he shared on here, where he said Canada's immigration system 'prefers newcomers from third world countries'. Which is absolutely wrong.

A lot of these debates and arguments start with misconceptions and misinformation like the one Argus shared and if they go unchallenged, then everything beyond the comment is just a waste of time. 

I have no issues with this comment or your subsequent ones. I do have a debate with those who think you just open the borders and let anyone who pushes, come shoving there way through which is exactly what has happened now undermining the entire immigration and refugee determination process/

Also I take with a grain of salt comments from anyone with a direct vested financial interest in bringing immigrants into Canada. They have a clear conflict of interest bringing their opinions into question. You work in a firm that makes its living bringing in immigrants. It doesn't exactly make you in the most objective of positions as to speaking frankly about what damage Trudeau has done opening the doors and creating chaos.

That said for me I find it questionable when any debate on immigration and its need to be controlled is turned by jack of liberals into an accusation that if one questions the extent and methods to control immigration it automatically allows them to call this racism.

On the other hand we can all see how Taxmes of the world use this debate to piss on people they think don't fit their narrow neo Nazi category.

I have said in previous posts and say it again, throwing open the doors will have legitimate immigrants and refugees crushed by migrants pushing them over to get their way into Canada ahead of them. We literally have a well of pushing, shoving migrants who will stampede. People do that when they are hungry. They will kill each other stampeding over the limited resources they see being offered.

You want to be a jerk off liberal and think you can save the world  by throwing crumbs at it grow up.

Throwing crumbs of cake at the migrant  masses which Trudeau does to alleviate his narcissistic need to feel like a messiah is simply causing a stampede.

In the end the migrants get crushed and Trudeau goes back home to Sophie and his trust funds.

[Rue]

24 minutes ago, Argus said:

I've spoken of this before. There are two answers to job shortages, but for the most part, the market takes care of this if left alone. Not enough widget makers? Well then, companies will compete to hire those widget makers who are here, and thus bid up the price. Other workers will see how much widget makers are getting, and retrain to become a widget maker. What we have in Canada are corporate interests who do not want to bid up the price of labour, and prefer to have the government bring in temporary or permanent workers from abroad in order to keep wages low.

The second answer is that our governments do many things bad, but I don't think they do anything as badly as handling retraining for the chronically underworked or unemployed to get them into industries which need skilled or even semi skilled workers. The reason few unemployed are 'willing' to take a 4 year degree program in IT is because they can't afford the tuition and to be without income for four years.

Let me suggest to you what I would do. I would have someone who comes into a government unemployment office multiple times be sent to a retraining specialist. There he/she would be tested on their skills/education, and presented with a list of opportunities. The government will pay them a reasonable stipend while they get their high school diploma, for example, and pay them a stipend to learn how to become a pipe welder or nurse or graphics designer, depending on their talents and inclinations. The government will also assist in getting them into apprentice programs and work terms with industry, and both industry and the unemployed worker will be required to cooperate in this endeavor. If they fail to do so without just cause there will be financial penalties.

Not everyone is capable of doing skilled work. Fine, let them work in restaurant kitchens, then. Perhaps if we stop bringing in kitchen workers from abroad the restaurants will raise their salaries so unskilled Canadians will be drawn in to replace them.

Lets' be clear. Unskilled migrants are brought here to do the work jack off Liberals want done. Jack off liberals need someone to serve them tea and be their nannies and walk their dogs. That's all this is - Trudeau and some elite little trust fund brats need  new coloured folk to replace their nannies who aged and died.

What we have now is the narcissist idiot Trudeau telling us what Canada IS NOT, not what it is. Telling us what Canada isn't and our identity is anything, necessarily means its nothing and Trudeau has dismantled and fights any reason to have a distinct Canadian identity and therefore  unified purpose which in turn means we have  building blocks to sustain a stable society.

Right now Trudeau's approach to immigration is  to say anyone come, do what you want-its gibberish-its just a modern version of, the Tower of Babel, being played out.

 

Edited August 14, 2017 by Rue

[jacee]

6 hours ago, PIK said:

We always brought in immigrants that wanted to fit in and be canadian,

We still do. 

6 hours ago, PIK said:

not just come here with your baggage ,looking for a better deal

If you have proof of that, you would have provided it, so I think it's just racist lies, white supremacist propaganda. You certainly have that attitude about you in everything you say here.

6 hours ago, PIK said:

We now have refugee tents on our border. 2 yrs under trudeau and we now look like the middle east.Is everyone blind?

This is a unique situation that has more to do with Trump's USA: Haitian people who have made lives in the US will likely be deported when their permits there expire in January. 

This was unexpected, there is no military base available to house them temporarily as we did for Syrian families, so the military is constructing temporary camps while they are processed. Some will be able to stay, some will not.

Edited August 14, 2017 by jacee