The Enlightenment Has Mutated and is Threatening Our Civilization

[blackbird]

Just looked at a CBC article from 2012.  Apparently judges will look at the details of a home invasion where the owner or occupant defends himself.  Reasonable force is allowed.  I didn't read it in detail so not sure if a gun can be used for self defense or defense of property.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why doesn't Trudeau keep church and state separate.  He is keeping the church from having any say while sucking up to Islam. He visits mosques.  He brought in M103 and wants to give Islam special status.   Conrad is correct.  Liberals want to drive all other religions away and exalt Islam with special Sharia to protect it against criticism.   Sometimes where Trudeau is making a public announcement he brings in Muslims for the backdrop.  Aboriginal religion (whatever that is; it hasn't been made clear)  is to be promoted and paid for in native schools as well.  Conrad is correct.  Our Judeo-Christian culture is to be given short shrift while he pushes ahead with his own favourites.

103 gives nobody anything. And if JT visits a mosque that's his prerogative, just as long as he keeps religion away from legislation. 

[DogOnPorch]

The endgame is simple: the destruction of the West.

[hot enough]

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Conrad is correct.  Liberals want to drive all other religions away and exalt Islam with special Sharia to protect it against criticism.

The sky is not falling, blackbird, despite all of Conrad's wacky notions. Think for a second. It just doesn't make any sense what you guys are saying. It is just right wing extremism that has been watered by right wing media. 

[blackbird]

Another peculiar aspect to this destruction of civilization as we know it is Pope Francis' statements. Pope Francis apparently said "Muslim terrorism does not exist".

Jihad watch has an article:

“What he apparently meant is that not all Christians are terrorists and not all Muslims are terrorists—a fact evident to all—yet his words also seemed to suggest that no specifically Islamic form of terrorism exists in the world, an assertion that stands in stark contradiction to established fact.”

Indeed. Pope Francis is not only disastrously wrongheaded about an obvious fact that is reinforced by every day’s headlines, but he is also deceiving and misleading his people about a matter of utmost importance, and keeping them ignorant and complacent about a growing and advancing threat.

“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)

Unquote

 

[-1=e^ipi]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

that encourages militant atheism to control all the levers of power and the media

Is that why they passed the 'Islamophobia' motion? Or why they didn't remove god from the anthem? Or why Trudeau, Mulcair, Wynne and Couillard are all christian? Or why Trudeau gives public money to mosques?

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Is that why they passed the 'Islamophobia' motion? Or why they didn't remove god from the anthem? Or why Trudeau, Mulcair, Wynne and Couillard are all christian? Or why Trudeau gives public money to mosques?

You lost me on that post.  You'll have to make your point a little clearer please.    I don't see those people as standing up for christian beliefs.  More like defending Islamic fundamentalism.

Edited April 3, 2017 by blackbird

[Argus]

2 hours ago, hot enough said:

You have stated your moral relativism here, blackbird. Why do you think, how could you possibly think that you, or the felon, can decide for others, how they should live their lives? You and the felon ought not to be pointing fingers at the Nazis and Stalin when you support the US/UK in their huge misdeeds, that are every bit the equal of the Nazis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfv3kBzJZgU

[-1=e^ipi]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You lost me on that post.  You'll have to make your point a little clearer please.    I don't see those people as standing up for christian beliefs.  More like defending Islamic fundamentalism.

And how is that 'militant atheism'? I just don't get why you are blaming atheists for this? Atheists don't have much political power in this country, nor are they a homogenous group.

[hot enough]

59 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

Jihad watch has an article:

Why does this dandy publication for racists and budding racists do an article on the terrorism of the US and UK, terrorism which vastly vastly outweighs all other terrorism put together. 

Ask yourself, how many western nations have been invaded, illegally, and how many hundreds of thousands of westerners have been murdered?

You folks just of no sense of reality at all. 

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, Argus said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfv3kBzJZgU

What a well thought out, address the issues reply that is, Argus. You only get worse. If there was anything that you could say that made sense, you would do so. Your replies tell the real tale, you can't dispute it because you know it is true. So, instead you try to distract from the fact that you are supporting purveyors of genocide, war criminals and terrorists. I wish that was all they are guilty of. 

[Argus]

17 minutes ago, hot enough said:

What a well thought out, address the issues reply that is, Argus. You only get worse. If there was anything that you could say that made sense, you would do so. Your replies tell the real tale, you can't dispute it because you know it is true. So, instead you try to distract from the fact that you are supporting purveyors of genocide, war criminals and terrorists. I wish that was all they are guilty of. 

Is this you trying to enunciate your anti-American conspiracy views? Because I'm treating you pretty much the way Hitchens does here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNAaDKZ-SuE

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, -1=e^ipi said:

And how is that 'militant atheism'? I just don't get why you are blaming atheists for this? Atheists don't have much political power in this country, nor are they a homogenous group.

What the article says is " I made the point that while the Enlightenment did not begin as being atheistic, the concept of reason was quickly subsumed into skepticism, and the Enlightenment has generally evolved over five centuries toward the complete dismissal of religion as contrary to reason.  "  This is the state of the media.  They are dominated by atheism and humanist ideology.  The government at all levels of the bureaucracy is well-represented by atheism.  Political parties to the left of centre are also swamped with atheism.  Yet they are quick to defend fundamental Islam under the guise of diversity.  But the same accommodation or understanding does not extend to other religions.  This is destroying western civilization (Judeo-Christian culture) as we have known it to be down through the ages.  Anyone who does not fall into line with this atheist-dominated ideology is dismissed as irrational.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

The endgame is simple: the destruction of the West.

Hyperbole.  The idea that an establishment party like the Liberals want to 'destroy' the West is lunacy.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, hot enough said:

You and the felon ought not to be pointing fingers at the Nazis and Stalin when you support the US/UK in their huge misdeeds, that are every bit the equal of the Nazis.

More hyperbole.  A free country that gave birth to democratically guaranteed human rights, that continues to be at the vanguard promoting rights for oppressed groups (women, LGBT) is not 'every bit the equal of the Nazis'.  

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hyperbole.  The idea that an establishment party like the Liberals want to 'destroy' the West is lunacy.

They don't consciously want to or believe they are destroying the west. 

The point Conrad is making I think is that the militant atheism and anti Judeo-Christian ideology is threatening civilization.  Most people are like frogs sitting in a pot of water on the stove that is very slowly being heated up.  They don't realize what is happening because the process is slow and insidious.  It is permeated in every level of government, the media, and society.  This ideology is pushed under the guise of multiculturalism or diversity but is in fact an anti religion ideology with exceptions.

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

The point Conrad is making I think is that the militant atheism and anti Judeo-Christian ideology is threatening civilization.  Most people are like frogs sitting in a pot of water on the stove that is very slowly being heated up.  They don't realize what is happening because the process is slow and insidious.  It is permeated in every level of government, the media, and society.  This ideology is pushed under the guise of multiculturalism or diversity but is in fact an anti religion ideology with exceptions.

He might have a point, if it weren't for the fact that Christianity itself is declining... 

[-1=e^ipi]

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What the article says is " I made the point that while the Enlightenment did not begin as being atheistic

Of course the enlightenment would head towards atheism. Because of the lack of evidence of a god or gods. Similarly, the enlightenment has headed towards not believing in unicorns.

[blackbird]

33 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Of course the enlightenment would head towards atheism. Because of the lack of evidence of a god or gods. Similarly, the enlightenment has headed towards not believing in unicorns.

"Intellectually, the problem is that religion is essentially reasonable and atheism is unreasonable and the consequences of the militancy of contemporary atheism are not only unreasonable but offensive to reason. Few things in our murky lives could be more obvious and indisputable than that there must be some force in the cosmos that causes spiritual insight, authenticated miracles, and is able to grasp the notion of the timeless, the limitless, and the fact that at some point in our past there was some kind of creation.

I am not touting religious practice (though I am a practitioner, having long ago lost faith in the non-existence of God, but respect all even semi-rational religious views, including atheism). It need hardly be said that horrible acts have been committed in the name of religion. That is the problem when mere people interpose themselves between the terrestrial life we all know and the spiritual life which is elusive, personal, largely inexpressible, and the subject of much doubt, some of it informed and intellectually respectable doubt."

This describes the existing situation.    The liberal ideology of ridiculing other religions, including christianity, and exalting Islam, will mean the continued growth of Islam.  This is done by atheists as a way to shove the Judeo-Christian culture aside.  In doing so, Islam will continue to grow unabated.  Liberals like yourself will lose their freedom and in the process civilization will be destroyed.  You will end up with fundamental Islam because it is very militant and will take over eventually.  They demand accommodations and will not take no for an answer.  They don't care what you think.  You cannot stop it with your atheism.  They consider atheists as non-believers or Kafirs.  The future does not look good for lefties, atheists, or liberals.  In aiding Islam to take a dig at christians, they will be bitten badly in the long run. 

 

Edited April 3, 2017 by blackbird

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

More hyperbole.  A free country that gave birth to democratically guaranteed human rights, that continues to be at the vanguard promoting rights for oppressed groups (women, LGBT) is not 'every bit the equal of the Nazis'.  

More hyperbole. The US is not the vanguard for any of these things. It always has to be dragged into these. And it is often the last of the advanced nations to implement these things. It tolerates its own and a limited collection of countries around it.

For god's sakes, look at its own genocidal history.

Where the US is like the Nazis is in its vicious and brutal treatment of the poor, defenseless countries of the world. Seventy plus illegal invasions, the deaths of tens of millions tells it all. The long run Nazis. 

Edited April 3, 2017 by hot enough

[-1=e^ipi]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

This describes the existing situation.    The liberal ideology of ridiculing other religions, including christianity, and exalting Islam, will mean the continued growth of Islam.  This is done by atheists as a way to shove the Judeo-Christian culture aside.

Stop lumping all atheists together. Many atheists hate all religions, including Islam, and have no issue criticizing Islam. For example, Stephan Charbonnier, who was murdered by ISIS in Paris for drawing the alleged prophet Mohammed.

[bush_cheney2004]

Christianity remains the largest organized religion in "civilization" and is growing as a percentage of world population, not shrinking.   Atheists have a long way to go.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_population_growth

Edited April 4, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[Omni]

40 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Christianity remains the largest organized religion in "civilization" and is growing as a percentage of world population, not shrinking.   Atheists have a long way to go.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_population_growth

[DogOnPorch]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hyperbole.  The idea that an establishment party like the Liberals want to 'destroy' the West is lunacy.

Frog in a pot...water's warm.

[eyeball]

On 4/2/2017 at 7:03 PM, blackbird said:

Has our society become a hedonistic and pagan spectacle, supported and promoted by liberal and leftist (Jesuit) ideology?

No, its all Eve's fault, you said so yourself in another thread.

Edited April 9, 2017 by eyeball