The Enlightenment Has Mutated and is Threatening Our Civilization

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, its all Eve's fault, you said so yourself in another thread.

That's the original reason for the fall.  There are all kinds of consequences flowing from that.

[eyeball]

You mean like lefties?

I'm Eve's fault?

 

Edited April 9, 2017 by eyeball

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

You mean like lefties?

I'm Eve's fault?

 

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Every one is born with the sinful, fallen nature, you and me included.  Not sure if you read the article about the title.  The Enlightenment has become the liberal-leftist ideology.  Atheism is dragging the west down.  It is threatening civilization.  You need to examine it to see if there is any truth to the claim.  It makes sense to me.  Canada was built on the Judeo-Christian culture in the past 500 years but in the last 100 years has shifted so that those in power and media actually oppose the things that built our civilization.  Trudeau worships at the alter of "diversity".  He talks as if that is the be all and end all.  His concept of diversity is to shove Judeo-Christian culture to the background and embrace anything but traditional western religion and idea.  He is bringing in masses of people who oppose it so we end up with something that threatens our civilization as we know it.   We can see what is happening to Europe.  You might like to poke fun at the idea.  But it would be better if you would look seriously at the situation.  It is individuals and ideas that make a country or threaten it.

Edited April 9, 2017 by blackbird

[Guest]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

.  Atheism is dragging the west down.  It is threatening civilization. 

I'm just wondering if you saw the link posted by Kimmy in another thread, illustrating certain religious views of what ought to happen to atheists?

It's not atheism that is threatening civilization.  Atheism will try to save it.  It will probably fail.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Every one is born with the sinful, fallen nature, you and me included.   

That's just straight up nonsense.

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Not sure if you read the article about the title.

Of course not, I've heard it all before a thousand times.

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The Enlightenment has become the liberal-leftist ideology.  Atheism is dragging the west down.  It is threatening civilization.

Well the solution is bloody obvious, round up all the lefties and atheists and tell them to convert or kill them, you honestly think that asshole up in heaven is going to give a rats furry ass?

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You need to examine it to see if there is any truth to the claim.  It makes sense to me.  Canada was built on the Judeo-Christian culture in the past 500 years but in the last 100 years has shifted so that those in power and media actually oppose the things that built our civilization.  Trudeau worships at the alter of "diversity".  He talks as if that is the be all and end all.  His concept of diversity is to shove Judeo-Christian culture to the background and embrace anything but traditional western religion and idea.  He is bringing in masses of people who oppose it so we end up with something that threatens our civilization as we know it.   We can see what is happening to Europe.  You might like to poke fun at the idea.  But it would be better if you would look seriously at the situation.  It is individuals and ideas that make a country or threaten it.

Okay so put up or shut up. God helps those who help themselves or so I'm told so start doing something proactive about us God-damned lefties and cleanse the abomination once and for all.  

Edited April 9, 2017 by eyeball

[Rue]

Tao of Bugs Bunny Responding to Elmer Fudd by Rue of The Woods

Blackbird I have seen all kinds of conspiracies linked to the Jesuits but accusing them of being Liberals or leftists is a new one. I know in the Monita Secreta they were accused of trying to get rich but that was back in the 17th century before terms such as socialism. But hey, they've been accused of being racist, colonialists, rigid conservatives over disciplinarian, sadistic, rigid, mysognist, repressed homosexual, pedophile mafiaso, illuminati, vampire, Satanist things as well, so I guess its all in who you read and who does the name calling and what they think left means. I do know some believe Jesuits are leftist because they talk about mercy for the poor. I am not sure if that  makes them socialist though although I they follow Jesus, I could swear Jesus preached about looking after the poor, so would that no make Jesus a socialist? He was always talking about sharing and warned against borrowing money and interest which sounds commie like.

Then again, some of the biggest supporters of anti leftist, anti socialist movements in the world have been Jesuits working hand in hand with right wing governments or elite monarchies. In fact the current Pope has been accused of complicity with the former Argentinian junta which is as right wing as you could get.

Anyways even the word enlightenment confuses me. I first think it refers to the latest diet Oprah Winfrey is selling.

Now I do appreciate Blackbird you appear to follow some evangelist sect of Christianity but I have to tell you,. I don' read the Bible literally like you appear to. I don't see the need like you do, to make people cry with the Bible.  I always have considered the Bible an  onion with zillions of layers of meaning and just like an onion, you start cutting into those layers of meaning, it  can make people cry. So that's why I  advise people run their Bible a gentle flow of water and keep it there before hey start cutting in to it. Never did see the purpose of making people tear needlessly.

As for being born with sin, well its called a penis. Yah I figured out it can be used for good or bad. but if you are here to tell me I am dirty because I was born with one,  relax. I shower and my inherent destiny or struggle to deal with my individual body parts is well in hand..

I think it all begins and ends with the individual soul and the choices each one of us has to make but aren't ready to make until we as individuals come to that point in whatever our learning curve is to make that decision as to which path to follow and odour to eminate.

I also have to tell you, I find animals much better at setting the record straight than humans. They have a much better sense of smell. 

You might want to try ride a horse or walk with a dog, maybe sit with a cat or rabbit. Trust me they read our smell better than any preacher. Either that or go fishing on a lake and wait for the trout or salmon or Nessie or  whoever to set you straight on the direction of the currents.

Man oh man, prachers make a lot of noise when you walk in the woods. You have to learn to walk softly man and stop smashing into all the bushes . Hell without the humility of soft steps you'll never get the direction of the wind so  that odour you think you always smll..of course its gonna get blown right back in yer face. 

Its not all skunk weed or moose poo out there. You just gotta learn how to smell the pine or fresh rain on rasberries man.

My favourite choir are the Loons man. Then again you get a lot of preachers zooming around in motorboats chopping their heads off in a rush to get to the other side of the lake for a sermon.

You wanna be a fisherman? For God's sake man, stop fighting it and learn to float. By the way its a lake, not a sea.

 

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Edited April 9, 2017 by Rue

[blackbird]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's just straight up nonsense.

Of course not, I've heard it all before a thousand times.

Well the solution is bloody obvious, round up all the lefties and atheists and tell them to convert or kill them, you honestly think that asshole up in heaven is going to give a rats furry ass?

Okay so put up or shut up. God helps those who help themselves or so I'm told so start doing something proactive about us God-damned lefties and cleanse the abomination once and for all.  

So you never even read the article.  I never suggested to get rid of lefties or atheists.  That is something you threw in there.  You use unparliamentary language.  Seems like you are angry and venting yourself on here.  I'm not interested in joining in that kind of discussion.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

I never suggested to get rid of lefties or atheists.

You figure God's going to do the dirty deed?

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎09 at 4:27 PM, blackbird said:

So you never even read the article.  I never suggested to get rid of lefties or atheists.  That is something you threw in there.  You use unparliamentary language.  Seems like you are angry and venting yourself on here.  I'm not interested in joining in that kind of discussion.

You follow a particular religious doctrine. I respect it. I just think its harsh.  Look its impossible to look at this world and not wonder what the hell is going on with moral values and ethics. I get that. Of course I agree with you that there is an element of self-indulgence, corruption, moral decay. For sure. Me personally I suspect our values have been corrupted by material values. I don't say that like a communist but in the spiritual sense that we have become obsessed wit material values such as money, cars, jewellery, property, accumulating things to then determine our value as people. Our value as people today is defined not by what we think or feel but by what we own. That is what I mean by being obsessed by material value. That of course is my criticism of all of us in the first world not third or fourth world.

So I agree with you to an extent I just think we have to trust the current, the flow of water, the overall bug picture you and I can not see because our brains are too limited in capacity to be able to see it and that is in all this chaos, in all this sea of what seems to be insanity may be an exercise of balancing going on between the extremes in value and this was all pre-destined to be a never ending balancing act. Surely that is what your faith wants you to believe-to have faith and not give up in the positive actions and  get obsessed with the dark ones.

The Bible, all religions should be used to give faith in the positive overcoming.  If we use it as a damning weapon I think it missed the point

Cheers. I wrote that because Easter and Passover are coming up and you now both well.

Where I come from Jesus is supposed to be a healing agent, a literal bandage to put on wounds. Moses was a leader of people to freedom. I just leave those symbols as that.

There are stories of both of them being angry interestingly but that simply proved they had human qualities it didn't condone being angry right?

Call me friggin stupid, I see the light prevailing and coming out of whatever darkness comes.

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[blackbird]

On 2017-04-09 at 1:13 PM, Rue said:

 

Blackbird I have seen all kinds of conspiracies linked to the Jesuits but accusing them of being Liberals or leftists is a new one.

 

 

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Back in the 1970s, 1980s, and maybe later, we had some priests in central and south America who were apparently teaching "liberation theology".  Maybe Google it.  This is a marxist theology that supports revolution, including violence.   This appealed to masses or the uneducated catholic people in those poor countries in central America.  That may be why you had the war in El Salvador and some other central American and south American countries.

Also don't forget the present pope is a Jesuit priest and he has promoted socialist ideas and criticized capitalism.  So what is his ideology?  Meanwhile the Vatican is probably the richest corporation in the world with billions of dollars accumulated over nearly 2000 years.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Rue said:

You follow a particular religious doctrine. I respect it. I just think its harsh.  Look its impossible to look at this world and not wonder what the hell is going on with moral values and ethics. I get that. Of course I agree with you that there is an element of self-indulgence, corruption, moral decay. For sure. Me personally I suspect our values have been corrupted by material values. I don't say that like a communist but in the spiritual sense that we have become obsessed wit material values such as money, cars, jewellery, property, accumulating things to then determine our value as people. Our value as people today is defined not by what we think or feel but by what we own. That is what I mean by being obsessed by material value. That of course is my criticism of all of us in the first world not third or fourth world.

So I agree with you to an extent I just think we have to trust the current, the flow of water, the overall bug picture you and I can not see because our brains are too limited in capacity to be able to see it and that is in all this chaos, in all this sea of what seems to be insanity may be an exercise of balancing going on between the extremes in value and this was all pre-destined to be a never ending balancing act. Surely that is what your faith wants you to believe-to have faith and not give up in the positive actions and  get obsessed with the dark ones.

The Bible, all religions should be used to give faith in the positive overcoming.  If we use it as a damning weapon I think it missed the point

Cheers. I wrote that because Easter and Passover are coming up and you now both well.

Where I come from Jesus is supposed to be a healing agent, a literal bandage to put on wounds. Moses was a leader of people to freedom. I just leave those symbols as that.

There are stories of both of them being angry interestingly but that simply proved they had human qualities it didn't condone being angry right?

Call me friggin stupid, I see the light prevailing and coming out of whatever darkness comes.

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I agree with you that materialism is a problem.    I don't think if someone becomes a christian it means he has to give up everything he has.  Everyone is at a different level of prosperity.  Some have much;  some have very little and are just trying to make ends meet.  Rich people often donate generously. 

I don't think I use the bible as a damning weapon;  I hope not.    I don't think that is the way it is to be used.  But is is full of warnings which we cannot ignore. The good thing is the bible teaches God is merciful and ready to forgive.   Yes, Jesus is a healing agent.  I agree with that.  There are so many people suffering in different ways.  There are many situations that people are in that there might not be an easy solution for.  Family problems are major.  Surely there must be an answer for that through the bible.  I think Jesus is the answer.  Yes, this is Easter week, an important time of the year for christians everywhere.   Cheers.