capricorn Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, betsy said: That's the problem with a lot of people - everything is fine and dandy until something actually happens. They've seemed to have lost the ability to see how things can go - before they actually do. Know as "the law of unintended consequences". Quote The law of unintended consequences, often cited but rarely defined, is that actions of people—and especially of government—always have effects that are unanticipated or unintended. Economists and other social scientists have heeded its power for centuries; for just as long, politicians and popular opinion have largely ignored it. Quote Most often, however, the law of unintended consequences illuminates the perverse unanticipated effects of legislation and regulation. In 1692 the English philosopher John Locke, a forerunner of modern economists, urged the defeat of a parliamentary bill designed to cut the maximum permissible rate of interest from 6 percent to 4 percent. Locke argued that instead of benefiting borrowers, as intended, it would hurt them. People would find ways to circumvent the law, with the costs of circumvention borne by borrowers. To the extent the law was obeyed, Locke concluded, the chief results would be less available credit and a redistribution of income away from “widows, orphans and all those who have their estates in money.” http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/UnintendedConsequences.html No doubt M103 will become a tool for Human Rights Commissions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: What is the Ottawa Protocol? Jews are subject to more attacks than Muslims in Canada...and unlike your Islamic cohorts, Jews haven't attacked people across the globe in a wave of terror. Your cult has earned the ire of the likes of me fair n' square...apologist for Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 42 minutes ago, capricorn said: No doubt M103 will become a tool for Human Rights Commissions Are HRCs in the habit of using motions instead of the Charter or actual laws when they make decisions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Jews are subject to more attacks than Muslims in Canada...and unlike your Islamic cohorts, Jews haven't attacked people across the globe in a wave of terror. So Muslims deserve it if they're attacked and we should not try to protect them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: Are HRCs in the habit of using motions instead of the Charter or actual laws when they make decisions? The HRCs are ALREADY a tool of Islam against the West. Just now, dialamah said: So Muslims deserve it if they're attacked and we should not try to protect them? There are ALREADY laws in Canada protecting human rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: There are ALREADY laws in Canada protecting human rights. Then why are motions condemning ant-Semitism and an entire document dedicated to defining the rights of Jews needed? 12 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The HRCs are ALREADY a tool of Islam against the West. Some Muslims have succeeded in proving unfair treatment and some haven't. That is how its supposed to work, yeah? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Then why are motions condemning ant-Semitism and an entire document dedicated to defining the rights of Jews needed? Some Muslims have succeeded in proving unfair treatment and some haven't. That is how its supposed to work, yeah? Seeing your Imams are preaching the murder of all Jews right from mosques in Canada...perhaps they ARE needed. I'm unaware of Christians and Jews asking to murder all the Muslims. But you have an example...right? Muslims use the HRCs as a bludgeon against critics. They being eternal victims, after-all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Seeing your Imams are preaching the murder of all Jews right from mosques in Canada...perhaps they ARE needed. I agree, these Imams should be charged with hate speech at the very least. 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Muslims use the HRCs as a bludgeon against critics. They being eternal victims, after-all. Hyperbole. Like me claiming that Conservatives all have a victim mentality because some whinge incessantly about how their free speech is being shut down when Liberals disagree with them or even call them names. Free speech is only shut down when the gov puts you in jail for criticizing them. People disagreeing with you and calling you names has nothing to do with free speech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just now, dialamah said: I agree, these Imams should be charged with hate speech at the very least. Hyperbole. Like me claiming that Conservatives all have a victim mentality because some whinge incessantly about how their free speech is being shut down when Liberals disagree with them or even call them names. Free speech is only shut down when the gov puts you in jail for criticizing them. People disagreeing with you and calling you names has nothing to do with free speech. F**k hate speech laws: we already have laws for those that threaten murder. Muslims use the HRCs as a bludgeon against critics...need we go into the details? Ezra and Mark are just two examples... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) These Imam's will continue to preach their hate until someone steps up and decides to bring charges, but they will not do that regardless of the evidence presented......because this is Canada and we do not want to seem like we are racist or even bais again'st Islam.......Muslims preach they are being targeted by Canadians in a racist manner....they demand that Islam is a religion of peace , they demand that the majority of muslims are peaceful , moderate,......where are these moderates when Imams in Canada are preaching islam death to jews and others, WHO is attending these pray meetings, Muslims are.............where are the moderates when their religion is being perverted for other reasons by other muslims.....I'll tell you where they are ....no where, they are not seen or heard, or listened to.......in fact they don't even make a difference.....they never have.....It is time to draw a line in the sand.....either it is alright to preach hate and demand death to everyone we dislike.......or it is not and someone steps up and enforces the law....until then the sensitive muslims out there should hold on it's going to be a rough ride, ...........or perhaps we could set the example and put these Imam's on a plane back to their own countries where they can preach hatred freely, when ever they want, lets ship back all that attend their sermons as well...... Edited March 31, 2017 by Army Guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: F**k hate speech laws: we already have laws for those that threaten murder. Muslims use the HRCs as a bludgeon against critics...need we go into the details? Ezra and Mark are just two examples... Just because you disagree with the legal decisions made against people who share your hatred of Muslims doesn't mean they're wrong. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: These Imam's will continue to preach their hate until someone steps up and decides to bring charges, but they will not do that regardless of the evidence presented......because this is Canada and we do not want to seem like we are racist or even bais again'st Islam.......Muslims preach they are being targeted by Canadians in a racist manner....they demand that Islam is a religion of peace , they demand that the majority of muslims are peaceful , moderate,......where are these moderates when Imams in Canada are preaching islam death to jews and others, WHO is attending these pray meetings, Muslims are.............where are the moderates when their religion is being perverted for other reasons by other muslims.....I'll tell you where they are ....no where, they are not seen or heard, or listened to.......in fact they don't even make a difference.....they never have.....It is time to draw a line in the sand.....either it is alright to preach hate and demand death to everyone we dislike.......or it is not and someone steps up and enforces the law....until then the sensitive muslims out there should hold on it's going to be a rough ride, ...........or perhaps we could set the example and put these Imam's on a plane back to their own countries where they can preach hatred freely, when ever they want, lets ship back all that attend their sermons as well...... The thing is there's vocal minority on both sides that would like to see violence. What would be really fun, is to put our conservative hawks and their conservative hawks in a big stadium full of swords, clubs, stones etc. WE could giggle like school girls while they bludgeon each other to death! Imagine the amount of beer and hot dogs that could be sold at such an event? We could call it "conservadome", since its conservatives on both sides that are spoiling for a fight. I say let em fight! Just do it in a big stadium so nobody else gets hurt. A do it right! Televise it... sell advertising, tshirts, jerseys. Nothing says good family fun like watching conservative hawks slaughter each other like livestock 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, dre said: The thing is there's vocal minority on both sides that would like to see violence. What would be really fun, is to put our conservative hawks and their conservative hawks in a big stadium full of swords, clubs, stones etc. WE could giggle like school girls while they bludgeon each other to death! Imagine the amount of beer and hot dogs that could be sold at such an event? We could call it "conservadome", since its conservatives on both sides that are spoiling for a fight. I say let em fight! Just do it in a big stadium so nobody else gets hurt. A do it right! Televise it... sell advertising, tshirts, jerseys. Nothing says good family fun like watching conservative hawks slaughter each other like livestock Sort of like in Muslim countries where everyone brings their kids out to watch the big beheading! It's so exciting, most of them video it on their phones for later viewing. No, thanks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Goddess said: Sort of like in Muslim countries where everyone brings their kids out to watch the big beheading! It's so exciting, most of them video it on their phones for later viewing. No, thanks. No no... This is different. This would be the shit disturbers on both sides that are moving us towards a clash a civilizations, killing each other in a way that's safe for everyone else Ratings would be off the charts... Pay per view revenue alone would be in the billions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Are HRCs in the habit of using motions instead of the Charter or actual laws when they make decisions? Quote 7 BOOKS OF AUTHORITIES Content of book of authorities 7(1) Subject to 7(3), a party may serve and file a book of authorities containing copies of the statutory provisions, case law and other legal authorities to which a party intends to refer. Passages highlighted 7(2) The relevant passages in each authority shall be highlighted. Tribunal book of jurisprudence 7(3) Where a party intends to refer to a decision that appears in the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal Book of Jurisprudence, only the excerpt relied upon shall be included in the partys book of authorities. http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/procedures/rules-of-procedure-en.html I would argue that the above provision of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal would recognize M103 as admissible within the context of the above mentioned book of authorities. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, dre said: The thing is there's vocal minority on both sides that would like to see violence. What would be really fun, is to put our conservative hawks and their conservative hawks in a big stadium full of swords, clubs, stones etc. WE could giggle like school girls while they bludgeon each other to death! Imagine the amount of beer and hot dogs that could be sold at such an event? We could call it "conservadome", since its conservatives on both sides that are spoiling for a fight. I say let em fight! Just do it in a big stadium so nobody else gets hurt. A do it right! Televise it... sell advertising, tshirts, jerseys. Nothing says good family fun like watching conservative hawks slaughter each other like livestock Great idea....once again it's the conservatives that have to do all the lifting.....because the other parties have their heads stuck up their asses, and can't be bothered to face reality, and when they do, they chose to ignore it....the reality part is we have Imams in canada that sole purpose in life is to preach hate , and somehow are immune to prosecution....OK break is over get that head back in your ass..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hot enough Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and can't be bothered to face reality, [coughs] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, capricorn said: http://www.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/procedures/rules-of-procedure-en.html I would argue that the above provision of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal would recognize M103 as admissible within the context of the above mentioned book of authorities. You can argue anything. Can you show an example where an HRC has made a decision based on a motion, or even better, a motion for a study? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Great idea....once again it's the conservatives that have to do all the lifting.....because the other parties have their heads stuck up their asses, and can't be bothered to face reality, and when they do, they chose to ignore it....the reality part is we have Imams in canada that sole purpose in life is to preach hate , and somehow are immune to prosecution....OK break is over get that head back in your ass..... Right but we also have millions of arm chair chicken hawks casually calling for war against various muslim countries. My idea would get rid of the most violent and hateful people on both sides, without all the collateral damage. Plus the sheer spectacle of it would be so damn entertaining and fun to watch it it might be therapeutic! Its win win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, dre said: Right but we also have millions of arm chair chicken hawks casually calling for war against various muslim countries. My idea would get rid of the most violent and hateful people on both sides, without all the collateral damage. Plus the sheer spectacle of it would be so damn entertaining and fun to watch it it might be therapeutic! Its win win. You believe that watching people slaughter each other would be fun. There really is nothing I can say that would adequately display the depth of disgust I feel about your idea of fun. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, dialamah said: You can argue anything. Can you show an example where an HRC has made a decision based on a motion, or even better, a motion for a study? I'm not inclined to read the multitude of decisions handed down by the Human Rights Commissions. I still maintain that M103 fits the definition of book of authorities contained in the rules of procedure of the HRC and would be admissible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, capricorn said: I'm not inclined to read the multitude of decisions handed down by the Human Rights Commissions. I still maintain that M103 fits the definition of book of authorities contained in the rules of procedure of the HRC and would be admissible. Would you say the same about the Ottawa Protocol, the various motions condmning anti-Semitism passed over the years, and the motion condemning Islamaphobia that passed late last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, dialamah said: Would you say the same about the Ottawa Protocol, What is the Ottawa Protocol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 44 minutes ago, dre said: Right but we also have millions of arm chair chicken hawks casually calling for war against various muslim countries. My idea would get rid of the most violent and hateful people on both sides, without all the collateral damage. Plus the sheer spectacle of it would be so damn entertaining and fun to watch it it might be therapeutic! Its win win. Really on this forum, we have people calling for war with entire muslim countries.....who ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, capricorn said: What is the Ottawa Protocol? A proclamation condemning Anti-Semitism, along with defining what it is, passed in 2010. http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/politics/inside-politics-blog/2010/11/for-the-record-the-full-text-of-the-ottawa-protocol.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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