Why all the worldwide turmoil? (9/11 thread)

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Yelling doesn't make you any more convincing. Now back to those "alleged hijackers" which you won't explain.

See the initial post in this thread. 

[hot enough]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I see, and this alters the definition of hijackers how, exactly?

It's all much too much for a low level soldier to grasp.  

[Wilber]

Just now, hot enough said:

See the initial post in this thread. 

I'm not a structural or chemical engineer and neither are you. I don't cherry pick the internet for things to validate my prejudices, I look at the physical evidence that anyone can understand an apply some critical thinking of my own. Try it sometime.

[Wilber]

Just now, hot enough said:

It's all much too much for a low level soldier to grasp.  

Educate us then. Who were they and how did they get there?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

It's all much too much for a low level soldier to grasp.  

I was right about the fun bit though, yeah?

[hot enough]

4 minutes ago, Wilber said:

I look at the physical evidence that anyone can understand an apply some critical thinking of my own. 

That's hilarious, Wilber. You can't even understand the first post in this thread.

[Wilber]

 

Who were the hijackers and how did they get there? Can't go there can you.

[hot enough]

 

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Underground fires raged for months. O'Toole remembers in February [2002] seeing a crane lift a steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero. "It was dripping from the molten steel," he said. [Philadelphia Inquirer]

Conventional fires doused by millions of gallons of water over a 5 month period do not burn hot enough to melt steel.

The notion that the fires in the WTC wreckage were conventional defies rational belief.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_fires_911.html

 

All this molten steel simply wasn't possible for the alleged hijackers to have caused. It "defies rational belief" but when you are dealing with irrational people, who simply can't go where logic takes them. The US government has lied again, just as they have done myriad times in the past.

Why would they care about 3,000 westerners when they needed "another Pearl Harbor"? Why would they care about millions more killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. They had been using the people of Iraq, stealing their oil wealth, since the 1920s. 

What kind of people defend this kind of evil?

[Wilber]

Until you address the hijackers and where they came from, you are just chanting the same mantra, over and over again.

[betsy]

8 hours ago, hot enough said:

That's hilarious, Wilber. You can't even understand the first post in this thread.

 

So, everyone doesn't understand your OP? 

My friend, it's you who doesn't understand the rebuttals and refutations being given.  You can't even answer a simple question!  This is what you do..........

Edited March 6, 2017 by betsy

[?Impact]

8 hours ago, hot enough said:

Nothing at all, again. How can you pretend to be something you are not. Why are your research skills so bad that you can't even locate a video where Professor Hulsey went over the entire NIST versus his approach?

16 years later, and the "proof" you offer is a video? I am more than willing to look at research, but not go on wild goose chases with the youtube generation.

[dre]

On 3/4/2017 at 10:26 AM, hot enough said:

Thank you, Rue.

You, on the other hand take hundreds of sentences to say nothing. 

Well I dont buy your theory about the WTC, but you definately hit THAT nail right on the head.

[hot enough]

47 minutes ago, dre said:

Well I dont buy your theory about the WTC, but you definately hit THAT nail right on the head.

That is way over broad, dre. It's not my theory. Molten steel/iron, vaporized steel, molten Mo, all with melting points a thousand to thousands of degrees F above what jet fuel and office furnishings can attain say clearly that the alleged hijackers could not have cause those molten metals. These were the products of superthermite/nanothermite, which was also found in WTC dust.

What was a US developed, non-commercially available, built from the atomic level up high grade military explosive doing at WTC on 9-11?

The alleged hijackers didn't produce it or transport it there. Who did? 

[hot enough]

11 hours ago, Wilber said:

 

Who were the hijackers and how did they get there? Can't go there can you.

No one knows, Wilber, because there is no real evidence about this. There are only the fictions created by the very people who blew up the buildings, evidenced by the following. 

Follow the science, Wilber. Professor Leroy Hulsey says, after a two year study of NIST's report on WTC7 that the chance of NIST's report being accurate is ZERO. 

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Why would NIST lie about: 

the molten/vaporized steel, iron and other metals?

the many explosions heard, videoed and reported by numerous people?

WTC7 free fall?

the molten steel/iron pouring out of WTC2 minutes before the collapse?

the above mentioned molten steel/iron, calling it aluminum when they were proven wrong, when it was shown it could not be molten aluminum?

their false claim RE: molten aluminum and keep that false claim in their FAQs to this day?

the manner of collapse for WTC7, maintaining the ludicrous notion that one column's failure caused a total, free fall, completely symmetrical collapse of WTC7?

that same collapse, showing a computer simulation graphic of their "scientific" result for the collapse of WTC7 that doesn't remotely match the reality seen in numerous videos from numerous angles?

[Topaz]

The answer to how the hijackers came to the US...tourists visa!                                                        http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/911-hijackers-and-student-visas/ 

[Topaz]

Anyone have an answer for this one?                                                       http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/04/chechnya-high-rise-burns-for-29-hours-with-no-collapse-wtc7/      

[hot enough]

26 minutes ago, Topaz said:

The answer to how the hijackers came to the US...tourists visa!                                                        http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/911-hijackers-and-student-visas/ 

That doesn't explain how the alleged hijackers were able to melt steel and iron, vaporize steel, melt Mo with jet fuel. Nor does it explain how they were able to cause WTC7 to collapse at free fall speed, or deliver superthermite to WTC sites. 

But it does illustrate just how confused, on purpose, this whole US government official conspiracy theory has been in its delivery to the people of the US, which is, and always has been, par for the course.

Edited March 6, 2017 by hot enough

[hot enough]

3 hours ago, ?Impact said:

16 years later, and the "proof" you offer is a video? I am more than willing to look at research, but not go on wild goose chases with the youtube generation.

No, the proof I provide is that this person who pretends he is "willing to look at research" has not once done so. Nor has he provided any, nor has he encouraged his coterie of equally deluded researchers to actually do some. 

"the youtube generation." Then get your kids or grandkids to help you. 

[Wilber]

30 minutes ago, hot enough said:

No one knows, Wilber, because there is no real evidence about this. There are only the fictions created by the very people who blew up the buildings, evidenced by the following. 

Follow the science, Wilber. Professor Leroy Hulsey says, after a two year study of NIST's report on WTC7 that the chance of NIST's report being accurate is ZERO. 

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Why would NIST lie about: 

the molten/vaporized steel, iron and other metals?

the many explosions heard, videoed and reported by numerous people?

WTC7 free fall?

the molten steel/iron pouring out of WTC2 minutes before the collapse?

the above mentioned molten steel/iron, calling it aluminum when they were proven wrong, when it was shown it could not be molten aluminum?

their false claim RE: molten aluminum and keep that false claim in their FAQs to this day?

the manner of collapse for WTC7, maintaining the ludicrous notion that one column's failure caused a total, free fall, completely symmetrical collapse of WTC7?

that same collapse, showing a computer simulation graphic of their "scientific" result for the collapse of WTC7 that doesn't remotely match the reality seen in numerous videos from numerous angles?

We do know but you 

[hot enough]

Or this one,

Dubai's Torch Tower Consumed by Flames

http://abcnews.go.com/International/dubai-torch-tower-ablaze-dramatic-video/story?id=29117236

 

Why is there such deep delusion among supporters of the highly fallacious US government official conspiracy theory? It simply makes no sense, but I have to admit that it has worked wonders on millions of people who are unable to see that this is something that the US government has been doing for centuries, deluding the highly gullible. 

Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

The One Meridian Plaza fire

Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.

[Wilber]

hot enough avoids the subject of the hijackers like the plague because he can't explain them in a manner that doesn't ruin his little theory. He can't explain how the aircraft hitting the buildings was pecisely co-ordinated with his imaginary explosives going off. He can't explain how the government could convince people to hijack those aircratt and commit suicide taking thousands of their countrymen with them. He can't explain it so he doesn't dare talk about it but he expects people to take him seriously. 

 

[Wilber]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Or this one,

Dubai's Torch Tower Consumed by Flames

http://abcnews.go.com/International/dubai-torch-tower-ablaze-dramatic-video/story?id=29117236

 

Why is there such deep delusion among supporters of the highly fallacious US government official conspiracy theory? It simply makes no sense, but I have to admit that it has worked wonders on millions of people who are unable to see that this is something that the US government has been doing for centuries, deluding the highly gullible. 

Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html

The One Meridian Plaza fire

Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.

Again, completely ignoring the fact that no other skyscrapers have been hit by large aircraft and had 10,000 gallons of jet fuel dumped on the fire.

[hot enough]

11 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Again, completely ignoring the fact that no other skyscrapers have been hit by large aircraft and had 10,000 gallons of jet fuel dumped on the fire.

Completely ignoring the fact that the WTC skyscrapers were specifically designed for that very thing, being "hit by large aircraft", with full fuel load.  

Ten million gallons of jet fuel didn't make any difference, nor would a 100 million, Wilber. Molten steel, vaporized steel, molten Mo, vaporized lead, ... were all impossible from the jet fuel/office furnishings fires that were present at WTC.  

Quote

 

"Thus, the fact that there were 90,000 L of jet fuel on a few floors of the WTC does not mean that this was an unusually hot fire. The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel."

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

 

Nor was it capable of vaporizing steel or melting Mo [4,700F] or vaporizing lead [3,100F].

It was only capable of reaching the maximum temperature that a diffuse flame can reach, 1,800F.

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" In a diffuse flame, the fuel and the oxidant are not mixed before ignition, but flow together in an uncontrolled manner and combust when the fuel/oxidant ratios reach values within the flammable range. A fireplace flame is a diffuse flame burning in air, as was the WTC fire. 
Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of the three flame types."

...

It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich, diffuse flame as evidenced by the copious black smoke. Soot is generated by incompletely burned fuel; hence, the WTC fire was fuel rich—hardly surprising with 90,000 L of jet fuel available. Factors such as flame volume and quantity of soot decrease the radiative heat loss in the fire, moving the temperature closer to the maximum of 1,000°C [1,832F]. However, it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range. [1,382 - 1,472F]

Ibid

 

 

[hot enough]

38 minutes ago, Wilber said:

He can't explain how the aircraft hitting the buildings was pecisely co-ordinated with his imaginary explosives going off.

How did the explosion that blew the human being out of the window of one of the twin towers, seen in the video you must have ignored, come to be?

[hot enough]

41 minutes ago, Wilber said:

 

hot enough avoids the subject of the hijackers like the plague

 

Actually, it's the supporters of the US government official conspiracy theory who are avoiding that. All the molten/vaporized metals means, proves beyond a reasonable doubt, is totally conclusive that the alleged hijackers have been falsely accused. 

Even though you all can read exactly what I have stated numerous times, no one will address that impossibility. You USGOCTs have avoided the subject of the hijackers and the impossible molten/vaporized metals "like the plague".