Why all the worldwide turmoil? (9/11 thread)

[Altai]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

No, it doesn't, at all, Altai. Verinage works because there are careful calculations done to ensure that there is actually enough power in the falling portion to destroy the remaining portion. 

The most important thing to remember and this is CRUCIAL, I cannot emphasize it enough - there are always JOLTS, ie. the upper portions of the structures always slow down, following Newton's Third Law - the twin towers accelerated which goes against Newton's Third Law, which is impossible, which shows everyone that the twin towers were controlled demolitions.

Yes, there would be a resistance with each below floor that upper parts fall on. So it should slow down, but TTowers seems like with naked eye falling at a constant speed, even accelerating. Its not slowing down for sure. BINGO 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Another dead B_C link. Typical. Why do you seek to embarrass yourself so? Why?

 

Because this topic has been dealt with here many times and you are very late to the game.

Other posers have been much more clever.   "Nano thermite" is very easy to mock and laugh at.

Please try harder.....

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Because this topic has been dealt with here many times and you are very late to the game.

Other posers have been much more clever.   "Nano thermite" is very easy to mock and laugh at.

Please try harder.....

No links to any science to support your lame responses, B_C. As always, nothing. Only desperation. Desperation, however strong, does not equate to science. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, hot enough said:

No links to any science to support your lame responses, B_C. As always, nothing. Only desperation. Desperation, however strong, does not equate to science. 

 

But I'm having a great time...aren't you ?    

"She blinded me with SCIENCE !! "

[Altai]

@hot enough

But what if the dropping floors reach enough crush power which leads an accelerating collapse ?

For example above 20-30 floors fall with 5 meters/s2 acceleration potential but the resistance take 2meters/s2 away and it still accelerates with 3meters/s2. 

[hot enough]

12 minutes ago, Altai said:

@hot enough

But what if the dropping floors reach enough crush power which leads an accelerating collapse ?

For example above 20-30 floors fall with 5 meters/s2 acceleration potential but the resistance take 2meters/s2 away and it still accelerates with 3meters/s2. 

Then all would see the jolting, halting collapses you can see in ferro/concrete building collapses. Destruction followed by a pause/jolt, just like one sees in a head on collision.

What would one expect to see in a head on collision between a 30 mile per hour Volkswagon Beetle and a stationary/parked Semi truck and trailer combination, a SuperB, backed up tight to a loading dock attached to a massive building.

Would the Volkswagon keep destroying the SuperB, then the loading dock, then the massive building?

[hot enough]

19 minutes ago, Altai said:

@hot enough

But what if the dropping floors reach enough crush power which leads an accelerating collapse ?

For example above 20-30 floors fall with 5 meters/s2 acceleration potential but the resistance take 2meters/s2 away and it still accelerates with 3meters/s2. 

Your description matches the Bazant et al "scientific paper" that NIST largely relied on for their explanation of the collapse of the TTs. Why wasn't this great scientific body, NIST, able to formulate their own hypothesis and use their great scientific expertise to explain the collapses?

The Bazant paper has been refuted by a later paper, which showed that Bazant used fraudulent numbers to justify the silly notion that airplanes and jet fuel fires caused the collapses.  

[Altai]

On 05.04.2017 at 8:09 PM, hot enough said:

Your description matches the Bazant et al "scientific paper" that NIST largely relied on for their explanation of the collapse of the TTs. Why wasn't this great scientific body, NIST, able to formulate their own hypothesis and use their great scientific expertise to explain the collapses?

The Bazant paper has been refuted by a later paper, which showed that Bazant used fraudulent numbers to justify the silly notion that airplanes and jet fuel fires caused the collapses.  

Yes, so we are just talking based on estimates and we need it to be calculated. What we need is to find out;

1) what was the potential pressure power of these dropping floors

2) What was the potential resistance power of above floors


Still it does not seem logical to me that these dropping floors had enough pressure power to crush all the below floors like a cardboard box. But on the other hand, we have French style controlled demolition examples that crushes the below floors like a cardboard box. But as you also mentioned that these French style demolitions are started from just the middle of the buildings to have enough pressure power. We also should consider that these French style demolition engineers would like it to do from the upper floors as much as possible because it will be much harder to budge columns and beams with each below floor. So here we can estimate that the collapses have to be at least from the middle of the building to reach enough pressure power to complately crush below floors. TTowers were started to collapsed from upper floors, not from the near of center or further down.

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

Anybody else wonder if there should maybe be a cap on the rich and powerful? It seems to me they are becoming so isolated from lower classes that maybe we've become expendable? There are so many stories all the way from vaccines with mercury and aluminum causing autism and many other ailments to conflicts in the middle east to GMOs and Glyphosate to 9/11. All of these incidents seem to have links showing very few people and companies receiving huge sums of money.

[betsy]

7 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Anybody else wonder if there should maybe be a cap on the rich and powerful? It seems to me they are becoming so isolated from lower classes that maybe we've become expendable? There are so many stories all the way from vaccines with mercury and aluminum causing autism and many other ailments to conflicts in the middle east to GMOs and Glyphosate to 9/11. All of these incidents seem to have links showing very few people and companies receiving huge sums of money.

 

You think the "watchdogs" - the ones in power who'll be putting that cap, would cap theirs? 

 

Look at Socialist/Communist countries.  You think there is really equality?  They still have people struggling in poverty.  The ones on top - and their cronies -  aren't doing what the "collective people" are doing.

 

The ones in power don't belong to the "collective" group.

Edited April 13, 2017 by betsy

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

On 4/13/2017 at 5:47 AM, betsy said:

 

You think the "watchdogs" - the ones in power who'll be putting that cap, would cap theirs? 

 

Look at Socialist/Communist countries.  You think there is really equality?  They still have people struggling in poverty.  The ones on top - and their cronies -  aren't doing what the "collective people" are doing.

 

The ones in power don't belong to the "collective" group.

You're 100% correct, problem is we are giving them their wealth and power on a silver platter. It's too bad and probably too late...

I've debated this with people on other forums and many just don't see it. They are perfectly happy to subsidize the wealthy and let them run our lives, I can't believe it. 

I've been called a lefty, democrat, communist, socialist (even a chinese Marxist LOL)  when they run out of reasons our world shouldn't be allot more equal and fair. There is no reason individuals and corporations should have more net worth then smaller states and even countries and then put in positions of power. Everybody says Kim Jong Un is a power crazed leader impoverishing the people in his country, we don't have to look far to see the western world has impoverished far more than 25 million people. This is a huge case of pot calling the kettle black. 

 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Thinkinoutsidethebox

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

911 is an interesting event to observe from a distance, it happened while the Republicans were in charge, many that call themselves Republicans bought the official story hook line and sinker, everything Obama did was wrong or some sort of conspiracy, 3000  Americans get killed by some lunatics from the middle east , seven buildings from the same organisation were all destroyed and no questions asked... Silverstein probably hadn't made the first payment on his investment and collected something like 4.6 billion.  I guess the majority of people that call themselves Democrats also bought it. 

We the people are all being led into a society that will become slaves to the wealthy and machines, think about it, look around you, how many have their heads buried in their buried in their gadgets, we are being led, followed and observed and we are all perfectly happy to allow this.

Maybe it's for the best...

[betsy]

10 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

 

Everybody says Kim Jong Un is a power crazed leader impoverishing the people in his country, we don't have to look far to see the western world has impoverished far more than 25 million people. This is a huge case of pot calling the kettle black. 

 

 

Sorry.  I don't agree with you here.  I suppose we differ in the way we see things. Can you support your claim?

 

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You're 100% correct, problem is we are giving them their wealth and power on a silver platter. It's too bad and probably too late...

I've debated this with people on other forums and many just don't see it. They are perfectly happy to subsidize the wealthy and let them run our lives, I can't believe it. 

I've been called a lefty, democrat, communist, socialist (even a chinese Marxist LOL)  when they run out of reasons our world shouldn't be allot more equal and fair. There is no reason individuals and corporations should have more net worth then smaller states and even countries and then put in positions of power.

 

 

You're talking about corporate welfare.    Not all businesses are on welfare.  Usually, the ones receiving subsidies are cronies by the government in power. It is a kind of corruption.

There are rules in place to prevent capitalists from exploiting.  There has to be laws otherwise it's another evil. 

 

Capitalism isn't a perfect system, but it's a whole lot better than what socialists and communists want to do.  Talk about total control over everything.......socialists/communists demonize capitalism and sell their "equality" bull, but they don't realize there's no equality in those system.  Worse, you give total control to those in power!

 

Edited April 16, 2017 by betsy

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

50 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

Sorry.  I don't agree with you here.  I suppose we differ in the way we see things. Can you support your claim?

 

 

You're talking about corporate welfare.    Not all businesses are on welfare.  Usually, the ones receiving subsidies are cronies by the government in power. It is a kind of corruption.

There are rules in place to prevent capitalists from exploiting.  There has to be laws otherwise it's another evil. 

 

Capitalism isn't a perfect system, but it's a whole lot better than what socialists and communists want to do.  Talk about total control over everything.......socialists/communists demonize capitalism and sell their "equality" bull, but they don't realize there's no equality in those system.  Worse, you give total control to those in power!

 

Call it what you like, every big corporation and wealthy individual is benefiting from loopholes in a tax system that's made like swiss cheese. Just last month we have the latest tax avoidance scam   http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/kpmg-offshore-sham-1.4006469  it's completely legal and the government is completely happy to let these people do this until they are emberrassed by the public finding out. They will work to fill these holes only to open more, meanwhile, guess who's replacing the lost revenue.

You can have two individuals living and working side by side earning exactly the same income, one has no interest in the tax system and the other is completely fascinated by it and studies it and loves to find ways to avoid taxes or they are equal but one has an accountant that just pushes them through while the other puts way more energy into their client's tax situation or even happened to hear of a loophole the other hadn't etc. Taxes should be simple, fair and transparent.

As you say socialism and communism aren't the ideal system but it's where we are headed and acceptance of runaway greed in our capitalist system is at the head of the train.

 

[Michael Hardner]

Hi... If you want to talk about different systems of government, please find another thread.  Thanks.

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

Sorry.  I don't agree with you here.  I suppose we differ in the way we see things. Can you support your claim?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries

Some interesting points here... https://emergenteconomics.com/2014/02/24/21-things-they-never-tell-you-about-poor-countries/

Also allot of these countries were doing just fine before people from the "developed" world showed up, we need to realize money wasn't the only factor in quality of life until we made it so. 

Watch this video then consider something http://www.foodmatters.com/article/14-year-old-girl-schools-kevin-oleary-on-gmos  . If we hadn't gone over there and talked these people into monocropping with promises of wealth they would still have a stable diet of the variety of foods they used to grow. Now Kevin O'leary claims we need a GMO rice so they get enough vitamin A. You'd be happy going from a multi food diet to a monofood diet just to stay alive?

 

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hi... If you want to talk about different systems of government, please find another thread.  Thanks.

Different systems of government are contributing world turmoil, dictatorships are the "free" world's latest enemy.

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Call it what you like, every big corporation and wealthy individual is benefiting from loopholes in a tax system that's made like swiss cheese. Just last month we have the latest tax avoidance scam   http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/kpmg-offshore-sham-1.4006469  it's completely legal and the government is completely happy to let these people do this until they are emberrassed by the public finding out. They will work to fill these holes only to open more, meanwhile, guess who's replacing the lost revenue.

You can have two individuals living and working side by side earning exactly the same income, one has no interest in the tax system and the other is completely fascinated by it and studies it and loves to find ways to avoid taxes or they are equal but one has an accountant that just pushes them through while the other puts way more energy into their client's tax situation or even happened to hear of a loophole the other hadn't etc. Taxes should be simple, fair and transparent.

As you say socialism and communism aren't the ideal system but it's where we are headed and acceptance of runaway greed in our capitalist system is at the head of the train.

 

 

Then, loopholes has to be fixed.  It's the tax system that's a problem, not capitalism.

[Michael Hardner]

Again, I don't think that this is the topic.

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

12 hours ago, betsy said:

 

Then, loopholes has to be fixed.  It's the tax system that's a problem, not capitalism.

Problem is they fix one loophole they create another. Simplicity is the solution.

And capitalism is a problem if it's not kept in check, there needs to be limits...

[betsy]

6 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Problem is they fix one loophole they create another. Simplicity is the solution.

And capitalism is a problem if it's not kept in check, there needs to be limits...

 

You should create a thread for it if you want to pursue this.  You can really explain in your OP your position.  The OP for this thread had explained that  this topic is about 9/11 terrorism.

Edited April 17, 2017 by betsy

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

2 hours ago, betsy said:

 

You should create a thread for it if you want to pursue this.  You can really explain in your OP your position.  The OP for this thread had explained that  this topic is about 9/11 terrorism.

Kinda wandered off  

Following the money does bring some logical conclusions though.

It's interesting billionaires are exempt from the "terrorist act" restriction in their insurance contracts, they can even claim double losses if they can convince the insurance companies it was two attacks   http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html

Edited April 17, 2017 by Thinkinoutsidethebox

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

 

Following the money does bring some logical conclusions though. 

What conclusions ?  Did Silverstein come out ahead with the insurance payments ?  My reading indicates he did not when you look at the numbers, eg. when you take into account loss of revenue.  Furthermore, one would have to question how a landlord could pull something like this off and what the costs would be.  In the end, you have to conclude that the landlord being behind this is just ridiculous.

[hot enough]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

What conclusions ?  Did Silverstein come out ahead with the insurance payments ?  My reading indicates he did not when you look at the numbers, eg. when you take into account loss of revenue.  Furthermore, one would have to question how a landlord could pull something like this off and what the costs would be.  In the end, you have to conclude that the landlord being behind this is just ridiculous.

That is much too much a narrow focus, Michael. And you are off topic. As Betsy has been. 

[hot enough]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

The OP for this thread had explained that  this topic is about 9/11 terrorism.

After 41 pages of overwhelming evidence showing that the US is responsible for the collapses of the three towers you still seek to deceive, Betsy. 

But you are right about one thing, "this topic is about 9/11 terrorism", USA 911 terrorism.