Why all the worldwide turmoil? (9/11 thread)

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That is much too much a narrow focus, Michael. And you are off topic. As Betsy has been. 

From the OP:

Premise: It is completely impossible that the alleged 911 hijackers caused the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. 

TOTB offered further speculation, which I have addressed.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

After 41 pages of overwhelming evidence showing that the US is responsible for the collapses of the three towers you still seek to deceive, Betsy. 

In order to attribute blame you can't simply rule out one cause that you don't agree with and then declare your suspect the culprit.  You need a motive, and a means, which to my knowledge have never been provided.  What we have is a single academic and a paper that is yet unpublished and/or unrefuted versus the official report.

I don't see anything, at a summary level, that supports the idea of 'overwhelming evidence'.

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

From the OP:

Premise: It is completely impossible that the alleged 911 hijackers caused the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. 

TOTB offered further speculation, which I have addressed.

You love speculation, Michael, but you abhor discussing the facts. In fact you have frequently stated how you do not want to discuss the facts.

What of George W Bush describing the explosions and bombs going off at WTC on September 11, 2001 after the "planes" hit the towers?

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't see anything, at a summary level, that supports the idea of 'overwhelming evidence'.

That's because you flee before you have to face it. 

Nanothermite is but one of the smoking guns. Highly explosive, incredibly powerful nanothermite, developed by US government military labs found at WTC. Iron microspheres, one of the by products of thermitic reactions found in levels 1500 times normal. Unreacted, that is, not yet exploded particles of nanothermite found in the WTC dust. When "exploded" on a hot strip these particles create the same chemical signature as regular thermite.

The difference is that NANOthermite, because of its nano size, is much much more explosive but it is also much easier to handle and set off than regular thermite. 

Case closed. Nobody has access to this nanothermite except the US government. 

An absolute conclusion: It is completely impossible that the alleged 911 hijackers caused the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2017 by hot enough

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

1) You love speculation, Michael, but you abhor discussing the facts. In fact you have frequently stated how you do not want to discuss the facts.

2) What of George W Bush describing the explosions and bombs going off at WTC on September 11, 2001 after the "planes" hit the towers?

1) You are quite fond of hyperbole, eg. 'overwhelming' 'abhor'.  In fact I have discussed the facts as much as I can, and since we both don't have advanced degrees in engineering it's nonsensical for us to quote and defend others' work in this regard.

2) I guess he made a mistake.  You would probably think that he 'slipped' and his grand plan almost was exposed.  If you think about it, that's actually the central reason why such a plan could never exist: it would be impossible to keep it under wraps.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, hot enough said:

1) That's because you flee before you have to face it. 

 

1) As I said, I addressed it already.

The rest of your post is content that I have no response to, so I will wait for your professor's paper to be published & refuted.

[Boges]

A future US president can't hide his ties to Russia.

But one from the past can get people to Hijack 4 airliners (remotely? because who would agree to commit suicide if it wasn't for Allah) and have them crash into buildings they knew couldn't fall from those impacts alone. So in the busiest part of the busiest city in the country, they rig 3 skyscrapers to be demolished AFTER the planes hit 2 of them and the other one later in the afternoon for shits and giggles. And no one has unearthed how that all happened yet or noticed the buildings being rigged for demolition? 

Not to mention all the family members that made phone calls during the hijacking saying that they were being hijacked. 

 

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) You are quite fond of hyperbole, eg. 'overwhelming' 'abhor'.  In fact I have discussed the facts as much as I can, and since we both don't have advanced degrees in engineering it's nonsensical for us to quote and defend others' work in this regard.

 

No, you have fled when the discussions were on topics that any normal person with a modicum of education and thinking can understand. 

 

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2) I guess he made a mistake.  You would probably think that he 'slipped' and his grand plan almost was exposed.

He slipped at least twice, the first time directly addressing most of the MSM, the second in a recent interview, about a month ago. 

Why aren't you interested in seeing them? Why is there no discussion about this, from you all or from the press? You all know why.

 

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 If you think about it, that's actually the central reason why such a plan could never exist: it would be impossible to keep it under wraps.

If you really thought about it, Michael, you would know that was completely false. Why is this silly meme raised again and again. The Gulf of Tonkin was kept under wraps for what, 30 years? It's still under wraps for most people because the western media doesn't discuss these things like they should. 

 

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) As I said, I addressed it already.

The rest of your post is content that I have no response to, so I will wait for your professor's paper to be published & refuted.

Addressed what? The nanothermite. You can't even bring yourself to say the word.

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

But one from the past can get people to Hijack 4 airliners (remotely? because who would agree to commit suicide

 

No one said it was GWB. 

[hot enough]

11 minutes ago, Boges said:

 

Not to mention all the family members that made phone calls during the hijacking saying that they were being hijacked. 

 

That is really lame stuff. Why do you repeat it?

Aren't you interested in hearing GWB tell everyone in the USA about the bombs and explosions at WTC after the "planes" hit, and no member of the press corp asked him why he said that or wrote any articles about how those comments make the US government official conspiracy theory a gigantic fraud?

Edited April 17, 2017 by hot enough

[hot enough]

How do you folks explain these explosions on a twin towers face before the collapse and far below the impact zone?

The camera person actually pans down because he/she picks them up in their field of vision.

9/11 - North Tower - Visible detonations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYk9Hdbeyu0

Edited April 17, 2017 by hot enough

[hot enough]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

The rest of your post is content that I have no response to, so I will wait for your professor's paper to be published & refuted.

That is a perfect example of you fleeing, Michael. If I had the time, I could find many more. 

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, hot enough said:

1) No, you have fled when the discussions were on topics that any normal person with a modicum of education and thinking can understand. 

 

2) He slipped at least twice, the first time directly addressing most of the MSM, the second in a recent interview, about a month ago. 

Why aren't you interested in seeing them? Why is there no discussion about this, from you all or from the press? You all know why.

 

3) If you really thought about it, Michael, you would know that was completely false. Why is this silly meme raised again and again. The Gulf of Tonkin was kept under wraps for what, 30 years? It's still under wraps for most people because the western media doesn't discuss these things like they should. 

4) Addressed what? The nanothermite. You can't even bring yourself to say the word.

 

1) Ok, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

2) So does this mean he's guilty ?  I don't think so.

3) It's not a comparable situation.

4) Yes, that.

 

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

4) Yes, that.

Then your comments don't deserve any attention from anyone except those who make the same repeated attempts to derail the subject and much more importantly one of the defining impossibilities that makes the USGOCT a fraud. 

[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) Ok, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

2) So does this mean he's guilty ?  I don't think so.

3) It's not a comparable situation.

I'm overwhelmed by the brilliance!

And the explosions on the face of WTC2, what of them, folks?

Edited April 17, 2017 by hot enough

[hot enough]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The rest of your post is content that I have no response to, so I will wait for your professor's paper to be published & refuted.

A dyed in the wool defender of the USGOCT and nothing in the world will ever change your mind, Michael.

You are making a mockery of MLW and its stated purpose?

[bush_cheney2004]

There was no "nanothermite" found at the scene...that has already been debunked as "nano nonsense".

[taxme]

On 2/25/2017 at 8:42 PM, hot enough said:

There is so much turmoil in the world. Why? We hear oh so frequently from oh so many sources that this turmoil has come about because of terrorism, specifically one "grouped" terrorist act. We all know what that is and it is truly a lie of gigantic proportions, not unlike all of the other lies of gigantic proportions. 

Premise: It is completely impossible that the alleged 911 hijackers caused the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. 

Proof one: The existence of molten metals; steel, molybdenum, iron at WTC the existence of vaporized steel at WTC, the existence of nanothermite at WTC all attest to the fact that the alleged hijackers did not cause the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7. 

The only fuel that the hijackers are said to have brought to the WTC, according to the official government story, is jet fuel. Add office furnishings and you have fuels that can reach a maximum of about 1,800F. Steel melts at about 2,800F. Molybdenum melts at about 4,700F. Vaporized steel needs higher temperatures.

Point TT-6: The Claim that There Was No Molten Steel or Iron in the WTC
Point TT-6: Buildings

http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/

Pictures of the vaporized steel 

https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf

There are, of course, many other proofs that show that the alleged 911 hijackers did not cause, could not have caused the collapse of WTC towers 1, 2 and 7.

There is currently a two year study of WTC7 being conducted at University of Alaska, Fairbanks. It is scheduled for total completion in May 2017. The study is essentially finished and in preliminary reports, the lead professor/engineer said, when asked by a lawyer, and I paraphrase,

Lawyer: On a scale of one to a hundred what are the chances the official NIST story of the collapse of WTC7 is true and accurate?

Professor: Zero.

Lawyer: If a graduate student of yours submitted such a report would you flunk him?

Professor: Yes. 

"If you want to know as to who controls world events, ask whom you cannot criticize". 

[hot enough]

9-11: Military nano thermite unknown to the general public found in the dust

 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, hot enough said:

No, you have fled when the discussions were on topics that any normal person with a modicum of education and thinking can understand. 

 

He slipped at least twice, the first time directly addressing most of the MSM, the second in a recent interview, about a month ago. 

Why aren't you interested in seeing them? Why is there no discussion about this, from you all or from the press? You all know why.

 

If you really thought about it, Michael, you would know that was completely false. Why is this silly meme raised again and again. The Gulf of Tonkin was kept under wraps for what, 30 years? It's still under wraps for most people because the western media doesn't discuss these things like they should. 

 

And what about the attack on the Liberty that was bombed by Israel, and all kept under wraps? A navy commander of a naval ship that wanted to go help the Liberty but was told flat out to mind your own business and stay where you are. Now how was that for American politicians to pretty much say to the navy personal that we really are not on your side but someone else's side? 

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, hot enough said:

9-11: Military nano thermite unknown to the general public found in the dust

 

Common sense and logic will never sink into some people's heads who have not done an adequate investigation on their own. They will believe only what the main scream media will tell them without hesitation. Others who have done a proper research and investigation have ended up being called conspiracy nut cases. Calling them nut cases will hopefully get them to shut up. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Wikipedia strives to reign in such nonsense about "nano thermite" definition as a more powerful thermitic reactant:

 

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...In short: in his samples of WTC dust, James Millette found (among others) the same kind of bilayered red/gray chips as chips (a) to (d) described in the paper of Harrit et al. He analyzed them by several methods including SEM-EDS, TEM, FTIR and others and found that stacking hexagonal platelets ca 1 micron in size, which were declared to be elemental aluminum by Harrit et al, are particles of kaolinite (as was expected in JREF already four years ago).

The main conclusion of James Millette was: "The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments. There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite."

These chips are simply layers of WTC red epoxy primer paint, containing iron oxide and kaolinite, which are attached to rusted steel flakes.

 

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Whenever Al is the fuel of nano-thermite, the energy density is seriously reduced compared to conventional thermite on account of Al particles forming an oxide layer several nano-meters thick. With Al-particles being themselves down in the nano-range, this means that a significant percentage of the Al is passivated and only dead weight. That in turn reduces the maximum attainable energy density. For example: In theory, ideal stoichiometric Fe2O3-Al thermite has an energy density of 3.9 kJ/g. Conventional thermite in practice may have 2-3 kJ/g. Tillotson and LLNL, who prepared nano-thermite by sol-gel methods, reported measured energy density for his nano-thermite of only 1.5 kJ/g. (T.M. Tillotson, Gash, Simpson, Hrubesh, Satcher, Poco: "Nanostructured Energetic materials using sol-gel methodologies". Journal of non-crystalline solids 285 (2001) pp. 338-345)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ANano-thermite

 

Accordingly, "nano thermite" causing the demolition of WTC buildings is nano nonsense.

 

Edited April 17, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[hot enough]

The lady who can't even discuss the Windsor Tower rushes out to grab a sound bite from another source she can't understand.

The simple fact that nanothermite or any thermite was at WTC is proof positive that there were no hijackers.

The simple fact that nanothermite was found in WTC dust is proof positive that there were no hijackers.

The simple fact that unreacted nanothermite was found in WTC dust is proof positive that there were no hijackers.

The simple fact that this unreacted nanothermite, found in WTC dust, when reacted provided the same chemical signature as regular thermite but with a higher energy burst is proof positive that there were no hijackers.

The simple fact that the products of nanothermite, iron microspheres, were found in WTC dust, at levels 1500 times normal, almost 6% of WTC dust is proof positive that there were no hijackers.

 

Edited April 17, 2017 by hot enough

[bush_cheney2004]

The fact is that "nano thermite" causing the demolition of WTC buildings is complete nano nonsense.