POLL: Should Justin Trudeau Keep His Word?

[hot enough]

Muhammad Ali's son detained at airport, asked if he's Muslim, lawyer says

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During his detention, Ali Jr. was asked repeatedly about his lineage and his name, “as if that was a pre-programmed question that was part of a profile,” Mancini said.

Ali Jr. and his mother have been frequent global travelers. The family connects their treatment to President Trump’s efforts to restrict immigration after calling during his campaign for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S.

“This has never happened to them before,” Mancini said. “They’re asked specifically about their Arabic names. Where they got their names from and whether they’re Muslims. It doesn’t take much to connect those dots to what Trump is doing.”

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muhammad-ali-son-detained-airport-asked-are-you-muslim-lawyer/

[hot enough]

They are all the same in that they are deeply evil. 

[OftenWrong]

13 minutes ago, hot enough said:

They are all the same in that they are deeply evil. 

Evil is subjective. One man's evil is another man's necessary means to an end.

Authorities have the right to question anybody, even a celebrity. Just because they're rich or well-known doesn't mean they are above the law. Besides, they answered the questions politely and after a short time were allowed to go on their way. No harm was done.

[hot enough]

Evil is not subjective. That is an alternate fact. Unless you believe that Hitler wasn't evil and you want to make a case for that. 

[hot enough]

 

 

Trump asked for a ‘Muslim ban,’ Giuliani says — and ordered a commission to do it ‘legally’

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“I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/trump-asked-for-a-muslim-ban-giuliani-says-and-ordered-a-commission-to-do-it-legally/?utm_term=.e7863b75945c

[dre]

On 2/24/2017 at 3:37 AM, betsy said:

 

Should Trudeau keep his word and open the gate to everyone who comes knocking?

This post is just a silly strawman. Trudeau never said he would open the gate to everyone that comes knocking.

You wasted your time creating a whole thread about something that didn't happen.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Evil is not subjective. That is an alternate fact. Unless you believe that Hitler wasn't evil and you want to make a case for that. 

Sure it is. What you might call evil others call absolutely necessary, without moral judgement. If a president neglects his duty to protect a country's borders, the next one has much difficult choices to make. Real evil would be a dereliction of that duty, in lieu of promoting misguided "fairness"... "equality" at any cost.

[OftenWrong]

16 minutes ago, hot enough said:

 

 

Trump asked for a ‘Muslim ban,’ Giuliani says — and ordered a commission to do it ‘legally’

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“I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/trump-asked-for-a-muslim-ban-giuliani-says-and-ordered-a-commission-to-do-it-legally/?utm_term=.e7863b75945c

Is it wrong to try and do things legally?

[hot enough]

No, doing things legally, would have meant that this whole world wide affair of the last roughly 15 years never would have happened. 

The narrower point is, the right now point is that Trump wanted a Muslim ban. 

[Argus]

19 hours ago, kactus said:

Argus...I am willing to bet what you are saying does not apply to UK...

Acquisition of British citizenship

British Citizenship can be acquired in the following ways:

lex soli: By birth in the UK or a qualified British Overseas Territory to a parent who is a British citizen at the time of the birth, or to a parent who is settled in the UK or that Overseas Territory

lex sanguinis: By birth abroad, which constitutes "by descent" if one of the parents is a British citizen otherwise than by descent (for example by birth, adoption, registration or naturalisation in the UK). British citizenship by descent is only transferable to one generation down from the parent who is a British citizen otherwise than by descent, if the child is born abroad.
By naturalisation
By registration
By adoption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#Registration_as_a_British_citizen

[Argus]

17 hours ago, hot enough said:

Could you provide a source, a factual source for this fact?

This list of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of about five a day) is incomplete because not all such attacks are picked up by international news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life. 

These are not incidents of ordinary crime involving nominal Muslims killing for money or vendetta.  We only include incidents of deadly violence that are reasonably determined to have been committed out of religious duty - as interpreted by the perpetrator.  Islam needs to be a motive, but it need not be the only factor.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016

[Argus]

15 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Evil is subjective. One man's evil is another man's necessary means to an end.

Authorities have the right to question anybody, even a celebrity. Just because they're rich or well-known doesn't mean they are above the law. Besides, they answered the questions politely and after a short time were allowed to go on their way. No harm was done.

Notwithstanding that it was pretty stupid to ask a guy named Muhhamed if he was a Muslim. And even stupider given he was a US citizen by birth. I can't think of how such a question could serve any useful purpose, regardless of the answer.

Edited February 26, 2017 by Argus

[OftenWrong]

23 minutes ago, Argus said:

I can't think of how such a question could serve any useful purpose, regardless of the answer.

But this should not bother you. Security people are highly trained, and have been given security clearance themselves. They and their managers develop a protocol that often includes random spot checks of any applicant.

If you are chosen, what happens next is up to you. If the person is cooperative and has nothing to hide, they'll be well on their way. Belligerent, complaining, got some kinda a chip on your shoulder? Maybe not so quick.

 

[Argus]

27 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

But this should not bother you. Security people are highly trained

From what I have seen and heard over the years, they are about as highly trained as a hairdresser. Ever get a bad haircut?

[kactus]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Acquisition of British citizenship

British Citizenship can be acquired in the following ways:

lex soli: By birth in the UK or a qualified British Overseas Territory to a parent who is a British citizen at the time of the birth, or to a parent who is settled in the UK or that Overseas Territory

lex sanguinis: By birth abroad, which constitutes "by descent" if one of the parents is a British citizen otherwise than by descent (for example by birth, adoption, registration or naturalisation in the UK). British citizenship by descent is only transferable to one generation down from the parent who is a British citizen otherwise than by descent, if the child is born abroad.
By naturalisation
By registration
By adoption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#Registration_as_a_British_citizen

Wiki is not a vetterd source Argus...

 

Quote

 

• From 1 January 1983 to 2 October 2000 will be British citizens if either parent was living in the UK at the time;
• From 2 October 2000 to 29 April 2006 will only be British citizens if at least one parent had obtained indefinite leave to remain or the unconditional right to permanent residence in the UK prior to the birth;
• On or after 30 April 2006 will be British citizens if at least one parent lived in the UK continuously for five years pursuant to their rights under European law prior to the birth.

 

 

Continued....

 

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  Children born in the UK to parents who are neither British citizens nor permanent residents may be entitled to register as citizens if the parents can satisfy the authorities that there is a good reason why the child should be registered as a British citizen.

  So technically children whose parents are not british can be entitled to citizenship according to this source:

http://www.aboutimmigration.co.uk/giving-birth-child-uk.html

[OftenWrong]

42 minutes ago, Argus said:

From what I have seen and heard over the years, they are about as highly trained as a hairdresser. Ever get a bad haircut?

Of course not. I have an old Italian barber.

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, kactus said:

Wiki is not a vetterd source Argus...

 

 

Continued....

 

• So technically children whose parents are not british can be entitled to citizenship according to this source:

http://www.aboutimmigration.co.uk/giving-birth-child-uk.html

You are picking nits. You can apply, but the conditions are strict. In Canada citizenship, and all the privileges which go with it, is an automatic right as long as you're born within our territory. That is certainly not the case in the UK.

[betsy]

23 hours ago, hot enough said:

Could you provide a source, a factual source for this fact?

 

Don't you follow current events?  If not.....what more can I say?  :shrug:

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Wise words from the other Canada:

"Going through several countries to get to one of your choice to claim refugee status means you are a bogus refugee."

[kactus]

11 hours ago, Argus said:

You are picking nits. You can apply, but the conditions are strict. In Canada citizenship, and all the privileges which go with it, is an automatic right as long as you're born within our territory. That is certainly not the case in the UK.

Regardless, it is possible as the source already implies....

[PIK]

What about his word to be a open party?? They are parachuting a candidate into McCullums riding. A friend of katies at that. 

[Argus]

5 hours ago, PIK said:

What about his word to be a open party?? They are parachuting a candidate into McCullums riding. A friend of katies at that. 

Doesn't look very open to me.

The Liberal Party of Canada has rejected the candidacy of a local power broker in a heated nomination battle in Montreal, increasing the odds of victory for former provincial minister Yolande James.

In an interview on Tuesday, the mayor of the borough of Saint-Laurent, Alan DeSousa, said he has recently been informed by party officials that his name would not be on the ballot at the coming Liberal nomination meeting in Saint-Laurent. Mr. DeSousa said the party’s “green-light committee” did not provide any explanation for his rejection.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-reject-local-mayor-in-montreal-by-election-clearing-way-for-rival/article34159547/

[overthere]

Trump: alternative facts

 

Truduea: alternative promises

[dre]

On 2/26/2017 at 0:56 PM, Argus said:

You are picking nits. You can apply, but the conditions are strict. In Canada citizenship, and all the privileges which go with it, is an automatic right as long as you're born within our territory. 

This issue is so tiny that its not even worth talking about.

Quote

The 2013 report, obtained under an access to information request and marked “secret”, found fewer than 500 reported cases (or 0.14 per cent of total births) per year in which a child was born in Canada with neither parent a citizen or permanent resident.

.1% of total births. Not even enough to constitute a statistical anomaly. Do have any evidence what-so-ever so suggest this is a problem worth anybodies time?

[Argus]

28 minutes ago, dre said:

This issue is so tiny that its not even worth talking about.

.1% of total births. Not even enough to constitute a statistical anomaly. Do have any evidence what-so-ever so suggest this is a problem worth anybodies time?

You didn't put where that quote came from. But without even going back to consult previous cites on this specific issue I know that hospitals do not normally report when babies are born to non citizens, so having little statistical evidence on the degree to which it happens makes it easy to pretend it's no big deal.