US vs Iran

[GostHacked]

On 2/25/2017 at 6:05 PM, drummindiver said:

Turn it into a personal attack but the FACT is that he said these things,  and this has been reported by virtually every news agency in the world. 

You're right,  I fell for the FACT Iran hates Israel. Silly me.

The non existent yellow cake and the fake incubator babies (Iraq) were also reported by many news agencies around the world, Just because they all do it, does not mean the information is right.  And we know for a fact that this has happened in the past.

[betsy]

Iranians took to the streets with hope that the USA would help them get rid of an oppressive regime.  Barack Obama not only was deaf to them, but instead, he sided with the oppressive mullahs.

Ripping up the deal Barack Obama had with the oppressive mullahs, is most likely just the beginning for Trump.

 

 

 

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White House Examining Plan to Help Iranian People Oppose Regime

White paper pushes bid to help Iranians topple already weak hardline regime

 

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/white-house-examining-plan-spark-regime-change-iran/

Edited May 12, 2018 by betsy

[GostHacked]

6 hours ago, betsy said:

Iranians took to the streets with hope that the USA would help them get rid of an oppressive regime.  Barack Obama not only was deaf to them, but instead, he sided with the oppressive mullahs.

Ripping up the deal Barack Obama had with the oppressive mullahs, is most likely just the beginning for Trump.

 

Obama was busy screwing nations up like  Libya, Yemen and Syria. Only so much a POTUS can do.   But ALL of them support Saudi Arabia, a nation that is more oppressive than any other M.E. nation out there.

[CITIZEN_2015]

18 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

 ALL of them support Saudi Arabia, a nation that is more oppressive than any other M.E. nation out there.

Saudi Arabia regime stinks but its regime is not anywhere close as oppressive as Iranian regime. As ONE example if women is SA wear veils or ban of alcohol or a ban on mixing boys and girls or mixed parties....etc. that is because an overwhelming majority of their population want it and do it regardless of whether it is the law or not BUT in case of Iran it is totally the opposite (thanks to advanced minded Pahlavi dynasty). Overwhelming majority of Iran's people do not want ny of those backward rules imposed on them and are openly defying them risking their lives even, and the regime forces all that on them. Also I have not heard SA guards shoting into peaceful crowds or not paying their workers (slavery) or forcing prisoners of conscious to commit suicides or rape and torture in jails. So you are biased and wrong in your statements as usual.

Edited May 12, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

Iranians took to the streets with hope that the USA would help them get rid of an oppressive regime.  Barack Obama not only was deaf to them, but instead, he sided with the oppressive mullahs.

Ripping up the deal Barack Obama had with the oppressive mullahs, is most likely just the beginning for Trump.

Obama was another idiot democratic President. Idiot peanut brain Carter planted the seed of terror and Islamic regime in 1979 and Obama let them stay in 2009 on and grow stronger in 2015 . Idiot democrats are OUT now. Time for the Republicans to take over and overdue to change things fpr a safer and better world for everyone on this planet.

Edited May 12, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[betsy]

16 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Obama was busy screwing nations up like  Libya, Yemen and Syria. Only so much a POTUS can do.   But ALL of them support Saudi Arabia, a nation that is more oppressive than any other M.E. nation out there.

There must be something good to gain for the USA if Trump is going to meddle with Iran, after all looks like he's doing things as a businessman, not as a politician. 

 

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The summit, in May, 2017, was Trump’s first overseas trip as President. The Saudis treated him as a fellow-monarch, spending an estimated sixty-eight million dollars on festivities, including a ceremony in which Trump and a group of royals danced, with swords in hand, to a traditional chant. In meetings, Bannon told me, Trump was blunt about American aims: “No. 1, Trump said to them, Stop funding Islamic terrorism. No more fucking games.” At the summit, the Saudis, the Qataris, and others promised to fight extremism, and the Saudis agreed to pay for a jointly run counterterrorism center.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/09/a-saudi-princes-quest-to-remake-the-middle-east

 

 

 

Saudi Arabia isn't as big a threat as Iran.    Furthermore, the last time I heard, Saudi Arabia is coming around fast.......thanks to  Trump.  

 

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The launch of the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition in Riyadh in November marked a first. The partnership of 41 Muslim-majority nations is designed to fight terrorism and defeat extremism throughout its member states and beyond. The new leadership’s commitment to reform are not just an internal matter but come with a broader goal of addressing problems felt worldwide.

The most tantalising part of the changes is the cultural transformation. Amid hosting concerts by country and western singers and Arab stars – plus a fleeting visit by the star of Saturday Night Fever, John Travolta — the authorities announced cinemas would open their doors in major cities for the first time.

 

https://www.thenational.ae/world/gcc/year-in-review-mohammed-bin-salman-drives-rapid-change-in-saudi-arabia-1.691556

 

Women are now allowed to drive.  Heck, they even got their cinema opening up - which was banned since the 80's.

 

 

Edited May 13, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

16 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Obama was busy screwing nations up like  Libya, Yemen and Syria. Only so much a POTUS can do.   But ALL of them support Saudi Arabia, a nation that is more oppressive than any other M.E. nation out there.

He's more than an idiot!  He's a very dangerous idiot.

 

 

 

 

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Obama protected Hezbollah drug ring to save Iran nukes deal

A team at the Drug Enforcement Administration had been working for almost a decade to bring down the Iran-backed militant organization’s sophisticated $1 billion-a-year drug ring, which laundered money and smuggled cocaine into the United States, Politico reported.

But the departments of Justice and Treasury repeatedly undermined agents’ efforts to arrest and prosecute key members of the criminal network — because the Obama White House feared upsetting Tehran ahead of the nuclear agreement, according to Politico.

 

https://nypost.com/2017/12/18/obama-protected-hezbollah-drug-ring-to-save-iran-nukes-deal/

 

 

Trump is right about that Iran nuke deal!  It's bad for the USA.....and to the world.    To hell with what other nations say - they're all the same shade as Obama!  They all drink the same kool-aid.

 

Edited May 13, 2018 by betsy

[GostHacked]

For those who think Saudi Arabia is not a threat, you have to understand how many wars we have gotten into because of them. Saudi Arabia still beheads people in the street.  And just because women can drive and such does not meant there is any improvement in women's lives there. You have to wonder why 'civil' wars are popping up all over the place except Saudi Arabia. And we still have little information regarding the recent coup inside Saudi Arabia in their own high ranks.

[CITIZEN_2015]

There is no issue between US and Iran or Israel and Iran or any country and Iran. The problems are purposely created by Iran regime. As always they create enemies so that they can survive longer. They feed on hate and war and without them they fall. 

Saudi Arabian government is not a threat to the west. Saudi Arabia's people are as they hate the west and democratic and equality values it stands for especially its support for Israel. This is a total oppossite to Iran where people are westernized and pro-west and the unelected regime is fiecely against west. You could say Overall this makes Saudi Arabia more of a long term threat because regime changes but people don't. But Saudi regime is no threat to the west. 

Edited May 14, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

But Saudi regime is no threat to the west. 

The problem is that it's a benefit to the west.

[GostHacked]

13 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

There is no issue between US and Iran or Israel and Iran or any country and Iran. The problems are purposely created by Iran regime. As always they create enemies so that they can survive longer. They feed on hate and war and without them they fall. 

Saudi Arabian government is not a threat to the west. Saudi Arabia's people are as they hate the west and democratic and equality values it stands for especially its support for Israel. This is a total oppossite to Iran where people are westernized and pro-west and the unelected regime is fiecely against west. You could say Overall this makes Saudi Arabia more of a long term threat because regime changes but people don't. But Saudi regime is no threat to the west. 

Let's not forget where MOST of the 9/11 hijackers came from.  Iran was a western-ish nation before the US decided regime change back in 1953 there was necessary due to Iran nationalizing their oil programs.  So this is again, about resources and NOT about people or trying to bring democracy, or any of that other stuff they want to shove down our throats.  The US wants regime change in Iran and has made it part of their policy just like Iraq was.

 

[Goddess]

 

On 5/13/2018 at 3:22 AM, betsy said:

The launch of the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition in Riyadh in November marked a first. The partnership of 41 Muslim-majority nations is designed to fight terrorism and defeat extremism throughout its member states and beyond. The new leadership’s commitment to reform are not just an internal matter but come with a broader goal of addressing problems felt worldwide.

The most tantalising part of the changes is the cultural transformation. Amid hosting concerts by country and western singers and Arab stars – plus a fleeting visit by the star of Saturday Night Fever, John Travolta — the authorities announced cinemas would open their doors in major cities for the first time.

I think this is great - tackling the extremism in the religion AND the culture that perpetuates the violence.  I hope they are able to make some progress.

I imagine that the people who insist Muslim extremism has nothing whatsoever to do with the religion or culture think this is pretty stupid though. 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

7 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Let's not forget where MOST of the 9/11 hijackers came from.  Iran was a western-ish nation before the US decided regime change back in 1953 there was necessary due to Iran nationalizing their oil programs.  So this is again, about resources and NOT about people or trying to bring democracy, or any of that other stuff they want to shove down our throats.  The US wants regime change in Iran and has made it part of their policy just like Iraq was.

 

A few incorrect statements contradictory to facts stated above (in fact most statements are wrong).

First most of 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia (as i said people of SA are very much anti West and hate the West, US in particular for the support of Israel), but NOT sent by Saudi Arabian government. So nothing new to remember there. Second Iran was not that westernized in 1953 and there was NOT any regime change in 1953. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the king in 1952 and also in 1954 with more powers of course.

The King had the constitutional power in 1953 to remove the Prime Minister and he exercised that power as the country was in chaos with clashes everywhere and the ports blocked by the damn British but the Prime minister of the time refused to step down and the Shah flee the country and once he was in Italy with his very beautiful queen the news was broke out to him that the nation of Iran had poured into streets demanding his return which was of course a lie since it was a US back coup. But the Shah had nothing and knew nothing of the coup. His reaction was "I knew the people of Iran loved me!!!!!". In all those years he had been saying that he does not wish his thrown on the blood of his people. That was why the 1979 rebellion coup against the legal government succeeded in spite of the fact that the strongest army in the region built by him over decades was behind him, that was because he ordered his generals to avoid bloodshed.

As for US wanting for a regime change in Iran, I hope so (in long term damage to the country and harm to its nation under mullahs would be by far more and worse than any US action) and that may be right but wanting is different with achieving. I do believe that US plan includes economic sanctions by US and Europe causing internal unrest and probable removal of the regime as a result rather than any military action.

Edited May 14, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[Rue]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

The problem is that it's a benefit to the west.

Is it? You think for a second anyone in the West would give a rat's ass about SA if it had no oil. Saudi Arabia is zero benefit to the West, its oil the West is addicted to but that oil benefits a corrupt Saudi regime more than it does any Westerner. SA is a strategic ally of the West in the game of hegemony with Russia and China in the ME. Its a counter weight to Iran, China, Russia on world oil markets.

SA may be of benefit to its corrupt monarchy and the oil cartel and if you are into that conspiracy stuff, the illuminati but not you or me. Its archaic belief system is no benefit to anyone who supports basic democratic values.

[Rue]

Further to Citizen and Godess one major theory is that since Iran switched from the Petro dollar to the Euro it became a direct threat to the US financial empire. I leave that theory to others.

What we do know is the two biggest and most powerful allies of Iran are Russia and China. Without both allies its current regime would not exist, Its people want the religious extremist regime out but can not achieve this without Western help which is not forthcoming as long as Russia and China protect it.

Iran knowing it is the no.1 source of oil for China up there with Sudan, Mozambique and Angola knows China will not allow anything o happen to it-so much so that the very smart Chinese created another military alliance with Israel that at this time prevents a war between the two.

What is driving Israel and Iran to their recent confrontation is Iran's decision to enter Syria to prop Assad with the full blessings of Russia and China and using its proxy Hezbollah next door from Lebanon.  Hezbollah however is not the only terrorist cell Iran sponsors. It has its own Revolutionary Guard operating in 13 military sites across Syria although its anyone's guess how many were targeted by Israel a few days ago.

What most people do not know is Iran is and has been in a state of war with Israel for many years. The only thing preventing an all out war is China and utin making an agreement with Netanyahu as long as Israel does not attack Russia's forces in Syria they will stay out of the Iran Israel squabble there.

Iran sponsors a group called AL Sabireen in Gaza. Its goal is one thing-kill as many Israelis as is possible and its been trying to penetrate the border of Israel from Gaza using the disurbances it generates though civilians. Its also being watched by Egypt which is no friend of it. Iran also directly funds Hamas tunnel building and  sends them weapons via Turkey looking the other way while Turkey is at direct odds with Iran in Syria but united with it against the Kurds and Israel. Erdogan hates Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Jordan as well as the Kurds but he also hates Assad.

Al Quaeda in Iraq is funded by Iran as it fights Sunnis in Iraq but interestingly  Al Nusra the sister organization to Al Quaeda fights Iran and Hezbollah in Syria.

Then there afre the Badr Brigades a terrorist cell who operate in Iraq and who knows where else.

Then Iran finances Ansar Al Mahadi, the 313th Brigade, Mujahedin el Khaq and Muqtada al-Sadr. It also of course finances Boka Haram in Nigeria, countless other terror cells in Mali, Rwanda, Tanzania, Sudan, Somalia, Tunisia, Kenya, Chad Dahomey, Senegal, Central African Republic, Algeria. Morrocco.

It also financesLiwa Abu Fadl al Abbas (LAFA) and the Houthi in Yemen, terror cells in Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Pakistan Afghanistan. It supports terrorist groups in South America, Indonesia, the Philippines and Malaysia.

You can look it up for yourself. Iran is not just exporting terror war all over the ME but Asia, South America, India, Pakistan, Europe and Africa.

The notion that its sanctions should be turned off was insane. The money that was turned back on went directly to terrorist financing and even Obama admitted this.

Iran claims it has the right to nuclear weapons no different than Israel. The difference is, Israel does not as is done in Iran, declare it has a holy duty to take out Iran, as Iran does vice versa. In fact the Iranian religion of Shiite Islam believes there must be a war with Israel before the Majdi (Messiah) returns and its their religious duty to do so.

The 313th Brigade refers to the no. of soldiers said to start this religious war.

Iran is not some benevolent progressive nation. It has at the centre of its religious value system the belief that all Jews must be wiped out from the Middle East and not just there, the entire planet. That's what its leaders profess to and you sure as hell won't have Marcus admit that just like he doesn't discuss the terrorist cells Iran finances and what religious beliefs Marcus supports in regards to Jews. He will present what he thinks are Jews that help his arguments but he won't tell you what he really thinks of them. The fact is Marcus and Iran do not believe any Jew should have a country let alone exist. I challenge Marcus to deny he supports Iran's extreme fundamentalist government and its belief Israel must be wiped out. This was never about a Jewish state, Its about Jews existing, period. You think Marcus is  going to admit his religious beliefs about Jews on this forum? Lol. even Iran I s more forthcoming on its beliefs. It states them every day for all to hear. Yah you keep hiding Marcus. 

As for Taxme he hasn't a clue what an Arab, Persian or Jew is let alone a white person lol. But hey despise and hate do not have the same meaning o him so Lord knows what he thinks the word idiot means..

Now will there be a war between Israel and Iran? No. Hey  I know. The world is going to blow up from the Planet Niraru, the Cern collider, Satan demons entering portals through Cern, shapeshifting lizards, on and on but uh no, no all out war. Not just yet. Will there be a continued proxy war with civil wars across the ME defusing one all out battles?  Yes. I think eventually Erdogan will be taken out in an assassination and the military will take back Turkey turning into another Egypt. I also believe its quite possible eventually the corrupt regimes in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait-UAE be replaced by military dictatorships but I don't see Iran as a political religious fascist regime it now is lasting. Its only a matter of time until a pro Western student movement throws it out. 

In the meantime hegemony continues....and that continued protracted tit for tat as alliances form and disband in the moment seeking control of various physical sites of land.

What it all eventually comes down to is the international price of oil and who has their hands on the supply of oil in the ME.

Ask yourself how is it the no. 1 country that receives Iraqi oil today is Russia of all places then no.2 China. How did that happen under Obama's watch? How was Iran able to do what its done under Obama and will dealing with Trump be bad for the West. The bottom line is you can hate Trump for many many reasons, but the game of hegemony is way beyond him and what you think of him. Its about trans-global economic interests.

As for Israel it will do what it has to do neutralize Iran when it did what it did, gets too close to the Israeli border. Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Guard and Iranian terror proxies  have repeatedly tried to attack the IDF in the Gaza and Golan and on the Lebanese border and are now active financing tunnel building in Gaza and terrorist cells in Gaza and on the West Bank and it is believed in Jordan on the border with Iraq. That's just not in the news.

Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt are de facto in an alliance with Israel over Iran but nothing else. Saudi Arabia believes Iran wants to create civil wars in Kuwait and the UAE and Saudi Arabia no different then how it has in Syria, and with the Houthi in Yemen or the Northern  Muslims of Sudan against the black Southern Christians.

Iran will get into bed with Sunni extremists as well as Shiite ones for now but China will like it did with North Korea, orchestrate some behind the back doors deal between Iran and the US over oil.

All that said, Muslim uprisings could explode in China or Russia. Many of the Muslim extremists in both nations are financed by Iran. They are well aware of that. So they try keep Iran happy but eventually one too many uprisings will cause either nation to ask anti Iranian nations to do something against Iran.

Russia and China have as much to watch and fear in Iran as the West does and just as the West has to keep an eye on Saudi Arabia which finances as many terror cells that could come back to bite the West's ass.

Edited May 14, 2018 by Rue

[GostHacked]

2 hours ago, Rue said:

Further to Citizen and Godess one major theory is that since Iran switched from the Petro dollar to the Euro it became a direct threat to the US financial empire. I leave that theory to others.

Well , cannot argue with you there , because it was the same scenario that took out Saddam Hussein and Muamar Qaddafi. 

However without the USA I am not sure Israel would exist. Not meant to get into a pissing match, just stating a fact.

However Netanyahu's recent display of Iran's information with the books n cds is proof that they got any real information on Iran. Not sure if we will ever see what is in those documents. I am very skeptical of it.

[betsy]

On 5/13/2018 at 3:21 PM, GostHacked said:

For those who think Saudi Arabia is not a threat, you have to understand how many wars we have gotten into because of them. Saudi Arabia still beheads people in the street.  And just because women can drive and such does not meant there is any improvement in women's lives there. You have to wonder why 'civil' wars are popping up all over the place except Saudi Arabia. And we still have little information regarding the recent coup inside Saudi Arabia in their own high ranks.

And we're brutally the very same way to an unborn human being!  An INNOCENT!    Have you seen how the innocent fetus is being ripped and torn up inside the womb? 

Never mind how they mete out punishment for their criminals!   If they have capital punishment, that's not your business.

 

Edited May 15, 2018 by betsy

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

And we're brutally the very same way to an unborn human being!  An INNOCENT!    Have you seen how the innocent fetus is being ripped and torn up inside the womb? 

Never mind how they mete out punishment for their criminals!   If they have capital punishment, that's not your business.

 

Well if we want to take the high road we should not be supplying one one terrorist nation with weapons while bombing another terrorist nation.  This is not about abortion however.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 5/10/2018 at 2:31 PM, betsy said:

A full-page ad was ran on the NYT, and Stephen Harper is among the signatories.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/09/stephen-harper-donald-trump-new-york-times-iran-deal_a_23431071/

 

That's an underwhelming list of world leaders: two former heads of government who did not sign the agreement. BTW David Trimble was First Minister of NI, not PM, more like a premier of a small Canadian province. It's get ropier as it goes along. Why was Andrew Roberts included? 

Edited May 15, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[betsy]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

That's an underwhelming list of world leaders: two former heads of government who did not sign the agreement. BTW David Trimble was First Minister of NI, not PM, more like a premier of a small Canadian province. It's get ropier as it goes along. Why was Andrew Roberts included? 

I'm not interested about how many signatories there are, or what positions they've held.  I'm simply pointing out that one of them is Stephen Harper.

Edited May 15, 2018 by betsy

[SpankyMcFarland]

Russia has complex relationships with Iran and Israel, being a serious menace to both Persia and the Ottomans for centuries. It is no way near as reliable a supporter of Iran as the US is of Israel. 

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Rue said:

Further to Citizen and Godess one major theory is that since Iran switched from the Petro dollar to the Euro it became a direct threat to the US financial empire. I leave that theory to others.

What we do know is the two biggest and most powerful allies of Iran are Russia and China. Without both allies its current regime would not exist, Its people want the religious extremist regime out but can not achieve this without Western help which is not forthcoming as long as Russia and China protect it.

Iran knowing it is the no.1 source of oil for China up there with Sudan, Mozambique and Angola knows China will not allow anything o happen to it-so much so that the very smart Chinese created another military alliance with Israel that at this time prevents a war between the two.

What is driving Israel and Iran to their recent confrontation is Iran's decision to enter Syria to prop Assad with the full blessings of Russia and China and using its proxy Hezbollah next door from Lebanon.  Hezbollah however is not the only terrorist cell Iran sponsors. It has its own Revolutionary Guard operating in 13 military sites across Syria although its anyone's guess how many were targeted by Israel a few days ago.

What most people do not know is Iran is and has been in a state of war with Israel for many years. The only thing preventing an all out war is China and utin making an agreement with Netanyahu as long as Israel does not attack Russia's forces in Syria they will stay out of the Iran Israel squabble there.

Iran sponsors a group called AL Sabireen in Gaza. Its goal is one thing-kill as many Israelis as is possible and its been trying to penetrate the border of Israel from Gaza using the disurbances it generates though civilians. Its also being watched by Egypt which is no friend of it. Iran also directly funds Hamas tunnel building and  sends them weapons via Turkey looking the other way while Turkey is at direct odds with Iran in Syria but united with it against the Kurds and Israel. Erdogan hates Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Jordan as well as the Kurds but he also hates Assad.

Al Quaeda in Iraq is funded by Iran as it fights Sunnis in Iraq but interestingly  Al Nusra the sister organization to Al Quaeda fights Iran and Hezbollah in Syria.

Then there afre the Badr Brigades a terrorist cell who operate in Iraq and who knows where else.

Then Iran finances Ansar Al Mahadi, the 313th Brigade, Mujahedin el Khaq and Muqtada al-Sadr. It also of course finances Boka Haram in Nigeria, countless other terror cells in Mali, Rwanda, Tanzania, Sudan, Somalia, Tunisia, Kenya, Chad Dahomey, Senegal, Central African Republic, Algeria. Morrocco.

It also financesLiwa Abu Fadl al Abbas (LAFA) and the Houthi in Yemen, terror cells in Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Pakistan Afghanistan. It supports terrorist groups in South America, Indonesia, the Philippines and Malaysia.

You can look it up for yourself. Iran is not just exporting terror war all over the ME but Asia, South America, India, Pakistan, Europe and Africa.

The notion that its sanctions should be turned off was insane. The money that was turned back on went directly to terrorist financing and even Obama admitted this.

Iran claims it has the right to nuclear weapons no different than Israel. The difference is, Israel does not as is done in Iran, declare it has a holy duty to take out Iran, as Iran does vice versa. In fact the Iranian religion of Shiite Islam believes there must be a war with Israel before the Majdi (Messiah) returns and its their religious duty to do so.

The 313th Brigade refers to the no. of soldiers said to start this religious war.

Iran is not some benevolent progressive nation. It has at the centre of its religious value system the belief that all Jews must be wiped out from the Middle East and not just there, the entire planet. That's what its leaders profess to and you sure as hell won't have Marcus admit that just like he doesn't discuss the terrorist cells Iran finances and what religious beliefs Marcus supports in regards to Jews. He will present what he thinks are Jews that help his arguments but he won't tell you what he really thinks of them. The fact is Marcus and Iran do not believe any Jew should have a country let alone exist. I challenge Marcus to deny he supports Iran's extreme fundamentalist government and its belief Israel must be wiped out. This was never about a Jewish state, Its about Jews existing, period. You think Marcus is  going to admit his religious beliefs about Jews on this forum? Lol. even Iran I s more forthcoming on its beliefs. It states them every day for all to hear. Yah you keep hiding Marcus. 

As for Taxme he hasn't a clue what an Arab, Persian or Jew is let alone a white person lol. But hey despise and hate do not have the same meaning o him so Lord knows what he thinks the word idiot means..

Now will there be a war between Israel and Iran? No. Hey  I know. The world is going to blow up from the Planet Niraru, the Cern collider, Satan demons entering portals through Cern, shapeshifting lizards, on and on but uh no, no all out war. Not just yet. Will there be a continued proxy war with civil wars across the ME defusing one all out battles?  Yes. I think eventually Erdogan will be taken out in an assassination and the military will take back Turkey turning into another Egypt. I also believe its quite possible eventually the corrupt regimes in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait-UAE be replaced by military dictatorships but I don't see Iran as a political religious fascist regime it now is lasting. Its only a matter of time until a pro Western student movement throws it out. 

In the meantime hegemony continues....and that continued protracted tit for tat as alliances form and disband in the moment seeking control of various physical sites of land.

What it all eventually comes down to is the international price of oil and who has their hands on the supply of oil in the ME.

Ask yourself how is it the no. 1 country that receives Iraqi oil today is Russia of all places then no.2 China. How did that happen under Obama's watch? How was Iran able to do what its done under Obama and will dealing with Trump be bad for the West. The bottom line is you can hate Trump for many many reasons, but the game of hegemony is way beyond him and what you think of him. Its about trans-global economic interests.

As for Israel it will do what it has to do neutralize Iran when it did what it did, gets too close to the Israeli border. Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Guard and Iranian terror proxies  have repeatedly tried to attack the IDF in the Gaza and Golan and on the Lebanese border and are now active financing tunnel building in Gaza and terrorist cells in Gaza and on the West Bank and it is believed in Jordan on the border with Iraq. That's just not in the news.

Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt are de facto in an alliance with Israel over Iran but nothing else. Saudi Arabia believes Iran wants to create civil wars in Kuwait and the UAE and Saudi Arabia no different then how it has in Syria, and with the Houthi in Yemen or the Northern  Muslims of Sudan against the black Southern Christians.

Iran will get into bed with Sunni extremists as well as Shiite ones for now but China will like it did with North Korea, orchestrate some behind the back doors deal between Iran and the US over oil.

All that said, Muslim uprisings could explode in China or Russia. Many of the Muslim extremists in both nations are financed by Iran. They are well aware of that. So they try keep Iran happy but eventually one too many uprisings will cause either nation to ask anti Iranian nations to do something against Iran.

Russia and China have as much to watch and fear in Iran as the West does and just as the West has to keep an eye on Saudi Arabia which finances as many terror cells that could come back to bite the West's ass.

Exactly. I have to agree with your first sentence. By Iran going to the Euro and getting rid of the dollar they have now made themselves the target and enemy of the globalist elite banksters. That is why the war drums are beating hard against Iran. Saddam of Iraq and Gaddafi of Libya tried the same thing and look where those two leaders are. Don't make the Rothchild banksters mad. They hate competition. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by taxme

[GostHacked]

52 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Russia has complex relationships with Iran and Israel, being a serious menace to both Persia and the Ottomans for centuries. It is no way near as reliable a supporter of Iran as the US is of Israel. 

Go to war with them and find that out. Is anyone willing to really take that chance? The Syrian war is going on 8 years now.

[SpankyMcFarland]

36 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Go to war with them and find that out. Is anyone willing to really take that chance? The Syrian war is going on 8 years now.

Iran has no other major ally but Russia's aid is neither unconditional nor even reliable. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 5/15/2018 at 3:32 PM, GostHacked said:

Go to war with them and find that out. Is anyone willing to really take that chance? The Syrian war is going on 8 years now.

Russians have a history of not backing their puppets. Remember in Afghanistan in the 80's? They killed their own puppet to replace him with another only to kill him too later yet replacing him with another only to kill him too. Russia is hated by the nation of Iran for their support and propping up the regime. Russia was always hated by Iran because they capture Persia's territories piece by piece and have had their puppets inside Iran (Tudeh Party) to preserve their interests and at one point wanted t separate the Azeri province.

Iran regime always uses Syria to scare its people from mass uprising. Iran will never become Syria because Iran society is not Syria. Iran society is much more advanced and highly educated. It will become more likely like Eastern European nations that got their freedom and democracy than desert born nations of Syria and Iraq who have no civilization or education.

Edited May 18, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015