betsy Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) He was trying to defend his "mispoke" about the fossil fuel in Calgary, and then he proceeded to take the credit for the pipeline. he said that even Harper knew that we had to eventually move from fossil fuel, that's why he (Trudeau) approved the pipeline, something that Harper was not able to do! The only reason why Harper was not able to get the pipeline approved was due to Trudeau's love-bro, Obama! Had Trump been President during Harper's time, there's no question - Harper would've gotten that pipeline! Had Hillary won, Trudeau wouldn't do squat about the pipeline. That's the truth of it. With Trump as President - and with the direction Trump is going - he's been forced to approve the pipeline - Trudeau saw the writings on the wall! Hopefully, Trudeau will be pressured too, to say bye-bye to carbon tax! Be honest, Justin. Stop fibbing. Don't take the credit that's not really yours. Edited January 25, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Trudeau could have blocked the pipeline himself. He didn't, as he's always supported it. He didn't make it happen, but he certainly didn't impede it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Of course, requirements for American Steel (can you smell the freedom?) may kill it just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 President Trump leads....PM Trudeau can only follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 He was sooooooo into the pipeline to the patch that he said he was getting rid of the patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: Be honest, Justin. Stop fibbing. Don't take the credit that's not really yours. Let's see, Harper took credit for Canada being able to weather the 2008 recession. Not only did he deserve zero credit, in fact if his ideas would have been implemented we would be in far worse shape. In that case it is crystal clear he deserved none. I don't know what you are specifically referencing above. I have heard Trudeau welcome the approval of Keystone XL from Trump, that is hardly taking credit for it. He did however approve the other pipelines recently so that is credit he does deserve. Both he and Harper have had the same stance on Keystone XL, so the last hurdle was none of their doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 43 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Let's see, Harper took credit for Canada being able to weather the 2008 recession. Not only did he deserve zero credit, in fact if his ideas would have been implemented we would be in far worse shape. In that case it is crystal clear he deserved none. I don't know what you are specifically referencing above. I have heard Trudeau welcome the approval of Keystone XL from Trump, that is hardly taking credit for it. He did however approve the other pipelines recently so that is credit he does deserve. Both he and Harper have had the same stance on Keystone XL, so the last hurdle was none of their doing. World leaders would disagree with you. It is alright to hate harper but enough of the BS. If trudeau was in charge during that time or the 3 amigoes, we would be in a hole to deep to get out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Smallc said: Trudeau could have blocked the pipeline himself. He didn't, as he's always supported it. He didn't make it happen, but he certainly didn't impede it. He supported it because he knew Obama would likely cancel it, so it would enable him to appear more moderate on pipelines without having to get a pipeline approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, -1=e^ipi said: He supported it because he knew Obama would likely cancel it, so it would enable him to appear more moderate on pipelines without having to get a pipeline approved. So, why does he support it today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Smallc said: So, why does he support it today? Because he supported it in the past, so he's forced to continue supporting it, or admit he was lying about supporting it. Edited January 25, 2017 by -1=e^ipi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Why did he approve Kinder Morgan and Line 3(?)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said: He supported it because he knew Obama would likely cancel it, so it would enable him to appear more moderate on pipelines without having to get a pipeline approved. In other words I hate Trudeau, I have no logical reason to but I just do, so I will make up anything to support my argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, ?Impact said: In other words I hate Trudeau, I have no logical reason to but I just do, so I will make up anything to support my argument. It just seems to best explain Trudeau's decisions regarding pipelines. He supported Keystone XL but never really gave a good reason why support it over say Northern Gateway or Energy East. He has also never been strong at advocating Keystone XL, especially with discussions with Obama. Sorry if I'm a bit cynical. If it makes you feel better, I'm also quite cynical of O'Leary's recent opposition to CO2 emission taxation, where as he supported it in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Northern Gateway was a no brainier to say no to. The Liberals have not made a decision on EE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Smallc said: Northern Gateway was a no brainier to say no to. The Liberals have not made a decision on EE. Why? Cause of a marketing ploy by some people in San Francisco to call it the 'Great Bear Rainforest'? Why is it okay to send tankers through the Great Orca Rainforest near Vancover but not through the Great Bear Rainforest of Kitimat? One problem with sending more tankers through Vancover is congestion. The city is already pretty congested with tanker traffic, allowing Keystone XL would make Vancouver less congested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said: It just seems to best explain Trudeau's decisions regarding pipelines. He supported Keystone XL but never really gave a good reason why support it over say Northern Gateway or Energy East. There are very clear reasons why not to support Northern Gateway, some to do with the pipeline but most to do with the terminal. Energy East is something the industry should have focused on a long time ago, they are the ones late to the party. I expect the industry will not push it so much now that there are 1.8 million barrels/day of new pipeline from Alberta approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said: Why? Cause of a marketing ploy by some people in San Francisco to call it the 'Great Bear Rainforest'? No - the problem for me was the remoteness of the tanker port. Help was a long way away in the event of a spill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Smallc said: No - the problem for me was the remoteness of the tanker port. There was a time when Vancouver was a remote port of the British Empire, Winnipeg was a remote trading hub in the centre of Canada and Ottawa was a remote lumber city. I guess with this kind of attitude, Canada would have never been developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, -1=e^ipi said: There was a time when Vancouver was a remote port of the British Empire, Winnipeg was a remote trading hub in the centre of Canada and Ottawa was a remote lumber city. I guess with this kind of attitude, Canada would have never been developed. That's...interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, betsy said: He was trying to defend his "mispoke" about the fossil fuel in Calgary, and then he proceeded to take the credit for the pipeline. he said that even Harper knew that we had to eventually move from fossil fuel, that's why he (Trudeau) approved the pipeline, something that Harper was not able to do! The only reason why Harper was not able to get the pipeline approved was due to Trudeau's love-bro, Obama! Had Trump been President during Harper's time, there's no question - Harper would've gotten that pipeline! Had Hillary won, Trudeau wouldn't do squat about the pipeline. That's the truth of it. With Trump as President - and with the direction Trump is going - he's been forced to approve the pipeline - Trudeau saw the writings on the wall! Hopefully, Trudeau will be pressured too, to say bye-bye to carbon tax! Be honest, Justin. Stop fibbing. Don't take the credit that's not really yours. What did Obama have to do with, Kinder Morgan, Northern Gateway or Energy East? The only pipeline project Obama screwed up for Canada was Keystone. Edited January 26, 2017 by Newfoundlander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 Trudeau could have blocked the pipeline too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said: There was a time when Vancouver was a remote port of the British Empire, Winnipeg was a remote trading hub in the centre of Canada and Ottawa was a remote lumber city. I guess with this kind of attitude, Canada would have never been developed. I belive there is a huge difference between a spill of a couple of hundred logs vs. 2 million barrels of oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 20 minutes ago, ?Impact said: I belive there is a huge difference between a spill of a couple of hundred logs vs. 2 million barrels of oil. I'll say. When the Nestucca spilled heavy bunker fuel and it landed on nearby beaches nobody but a few volunteers did a thing for nearly 10 days. By the time the authorities snapped out of it a storm reduced hundreds of 15 fit pancakes of oil laying here and there to millions on dime sized pieces scattered everywhere. As for log spills...I love em. I've pulled hundreds of logs off local beaches. It's about as much fun as filling a boat full of fish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Newfoundlander said: What did Obama have to do with, Kinder Morgan, Northern Gateway or Energy East? The only pipeline project Obama screwed up for Canada was Keystone. Agreed...Canada has been royally screwing up pipeline projects on its own without any help from U.S. presidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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