Trudeau tour.

[drummindiver]

14 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

12 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

I think you're exaggerating too.  To pay $700 would take a massive house that is extremely inefficient. It makes no sense.

I don't know what to tell you. 2000 Sq ft bungalow with 5 ppl and a dog. That's what she pays. 

Our house is bigger and we "only" pay $130 month,  but there's only two of us and it is a more energy efficient house. Huge difference.

[blueblood]

3 hours ago, The_Squid said:

I think you're exaggerating too.  To pay $700 would take a massive house that is extremely inefficient. It makes no sense.

How in gods name do you know the terms or her mortgage or when she took it out?  

She could very well have bought an old house in the late nineties and the mortgage might not be 700+ a month making it very likely her hydro (at the insane rates) and heating are more than her mortgage.  Not all houses are $400k.  Keep jumping to conclusions...

[ironstone]

It's good that he's going around and speaking to Canadians.However,I believe he will just tune out anything negative comments and most of what we see might be the softball questions from his fan base.

He should bloody well listen......and fire Gerald Butts!

[H10]

22 hours ago, Argus said:

And just to show how out of touch Trudeau is with the interests of 'ordinary' Canadians, he 'bravely' announced his intention to try to school Donald Trump on his feminist credentials and on how great immigrants and Muslims are. I cannot imagine any circumstance in which this wouldn't piss Trump off, and likely result in stiffening of borer security procedures and more trouble for Canadian exports to the US. But does Trudeau care? Not in the least! Like any good social justice warrior, he has his principals, and if they hurt other people, well, those other people will just have to suffer in a noble cause.

We ain't scared of Trump, we don't need him, we will just redirect our trade to China, USA is  sinking ship.  Once the Republicans in congress start trade wars, create massive inflation, huge tax cuts, run up the deficit, eliminate healthcare and social security, build up a massive army, cut minimum wages, USA is going to look like a 4th world country.  Don't you see their tea party style politics is failing in Kansas and the entire state is on life support?  In a decade Kansas will be bluer than the ocean.

[H10]

8 hours ago, blueblood said:

How in gods name do you know the terms or her mortgage or when she took it out?  

She could very well have bought an old house in the late nineties and the mortgage might not be 700+ a month making it very likely her hydro (at the insane rates) and heating are more than her mortgage.  Not all houses are $400k.  Keep jumping to conclusions...

How can she be working 15 hours a day and not be making enough to cover a $700 mortgage?  And why did she have four kids if she wasn't making enough money to pay her mortgage, why didn't she stop after child number 1 or 2?  People who cannot afford to live should not have more kids they cannot even afford.

[ironstone]

33 minutes ago, hernanday said:

How can she be working 15 hours a day and not be making enough to cover a $700 mortgage?  And why did she have four kids if she wasn't making enough money to pay her mortgage, why didn't she stop after child number 1 or 2?  People who cannot afford to live should not have more kids they cannot even afford.

There probably was a time when she was working 15hrs a day with the four kids,but these cost's keep going up and up under progressive governments.She is being left behind.

[dialamah]

46 minutes ago, hernanday said:

How can she be working 15 hours a day and not be making enough to cover a $700 mortgage?  And why did she have four kids if she wasn't making enough money to pay her mortgage, why didn't she stop after child number 1 or 2?  People who cannot afford to live should not have more kids they cannot even afford.

Sometimes one's income goes down, unexpectedly, when they've made decisions based on their higher income.  Perhaps she was married, and her husband left her for a woman with fewer kids - and he doesn't pay child support, either.  Perhaps he died.  Perhaps she had a higher paying job, but was downsized, and ended up taking a lower paying job rather than not work at all.   Would you rather she, her kids and her mortgage was entirely state supported?

Perhaps she was expecting the one more child she could afford, and suddenly had two or three more (my mother ended up with three when she was expecting one, so don't think this doesn't happen).

There are many reasons why your assumption that people who are financially secure enough to have kids today will always be financially secure is just wrong.

 

Edited January 14, 2017 by dialamah

[dialamah]

In BC, my daughter once got a great deal on a rental in a rural location.   She left after the first winter because the heating costs were over $500 per month on about a 1300 SF house.    I currently live in a 1000 SF townhouse and only rarely turn the electric heat on - but when I do, my electric bill shoots up.   I didn't watch the clip, so don't know how she heats her home but if electric is involved - either as main source of heat or supplementary - then what she's saying isn't unrealistic, in my opinion.    

 

[Topaz]

There's so many difference situations for people that have high  hydro bills and the governments need to keep the rebates going for those who have older homes that need better windows, insulation, etc.  Last June, we put on a roof at a cost of a cost of 11,000. and now I have replace  7 windows at a est.cost of 10,000 and we have a boiler. so to replace that will be another 10,000 with AC  and all this is needed to keep bills reasonable and resale value.  One thing I did do was go around the house and unplug anything I wasn't using and have notice a small change but those delivery charges are as much as hydro used!!

[blueblood]

4 hours ago, hernanday said:

How can she be working 15 hours a day and not be making enough to cover a $700 mortgage?  And why did she have four kids if she wasn't making enough money to pay her mortgage, why didn't she stop after child number 1 or 2?  People who cannot afford to live should not have more kids they cannot even afford.

Maybe low skilled low paying jobs were all she could get.  Maybe she and her husband were making money before and could afford things but a big change happened.

 If you are a liberal supporter would you advocate that to people if they weren't white and couldn't afford kids or live in the inner city?

[blueblood]

I find it laughable that Trudeau supporters are trashing her and then saying the conservatives are just as heartless.  It's one thing to become unfortunate due to a downturn in the economy and have to put in extra work to improve your economic situation, but in this case it's a government literally making things more expensive and there is nothing that people less unfortunate can do when the government keeps taking them out to the woodshed.

 

trudeau literally told her that the carbon tax was necessary and was going to provincial coffers saying that the government knew better to do with her money than she did.

[Argus]

17 hours ago, The_Squid said:

I put on my conservative hat for that post.

Apparently it didn't work, because the post still sounded like the blatherings of a socialist.

[H10]

1 hour ago, blueblood said:

I find it laughable that Trudeau supporters are trashing her and then saying the conservatives are just as heartless.  It's one thing to become unfortunate due to a downturn in the economy and have to put in extra work to improve your economic situation, but in this case it's a government literally making things more expensive and there is nothing that people less unfortunate can do when the government keeps taking them out to the woodshed.

 

trudeau literally told her that the carbon tax was necessary and was going to provincial coffers saying that the government knew better to do with her money than she did.

This woman has no mortgage, got free dead left land, this woman had 4 kids, even though she knew she couldn't even afford 2.  This woman works 15 hour days, but one has to ask doing what?  Stop blaming government for everything and take some personal responsibility.  Of course life is hard in bum butt nowhere.

 

And its not Trudeau's fault, energy is a provincial area, and the carbon tax hasn't even been implemented.  If we don't curve gross energy usage, there won't be a future for ourgrand children.

A national carbon tax is a necessity, we can no longer permit people to pollute for free.  If her provincial government is any good, she should get a rebate for not using lots of carbon, just like with the hst.

[H10]

5 hours ago, ironstone said:

There probably was a time when she was working 15hrs a day with the four kids,but these cost's keep going up and up under progressive governments.She is being left behind.

She's only 54, I remember 30 years ago, in the 1990s, there were no child tax credits, I can't imagine when a person who wasn't rich having 4 kids would have been smart.  Sorry wouldn't matter what the government did, didn't she benefit off all those child tax credits, she should be getting jsut 10 grand a year for having so many kids. You have 4 kids and are not rich, you deserve to be poor.  This is not the days of Charlamagne, where two kids would die before 18.

[blueblood]

16 minutes ago, hernanday said:

This woman has no mortgage, got free dead left land, this woman had 4 kids, even though she knew she couldn't even afford 2.  This woman works 15 hour days, but one has to ask doing what?  Stop blaming government for everything and take some personal responsibility.  Of course life is hard in bum butt nowhere.

And there you go jumping to conclusions.  Every time you buy a house without enough in the bank you take a mortgage, once again you don't know her situation in totality and are spewing garbage.

16 minutes ago, hernanday said:

 

And its not Trudeau's fault, energy is a provincial area, and the carbon tax hasn't even been implemented.  If we don't curve gross energy usage, there won't be a future for ourgrand children.

She's complaining about Trudeau putting another tax on her when she's already at her limit.  You might want to live in the 1850s standard of living with curbed energy usage, I don't.

16 minutes ago, hernanday said:

A national carbon tax is a necessity, we can no longer permit people to pollute for free.  If her provincial government is any good, she should get a rebate for not using lots of carbon, just like with the hst.

There already is a price on carbon, it's publically traded and anyone can buy crude futures.  Funny thing when crude went past $100 people made smarter decisions.

how about she gets to keep more of what she earns and let the free market figure out what happens to energy.  It's why we don't use whale oil and horses anymore.

[Michael Hardner]

I hid a couple of posts here with insults - please don't insult other members.  If your post was hidden and you want to repost without insults PM me.

[H10]

35 minutes ago, blueblood said:

And there you go jumping to conclusions.  Every time you buy a house without enough in the bank you take a mortgage, once again you don't know her situation in totality and are spewing garbage.

 

we will never have complete information on her so we will all have to make presumptions.  You are presuming she even bought a house.  We don't know that.  She could have inherited it, ran into hard times and mortgaged the equity.

 

35 minutes ago, blueblood said:

She's complaining about Trudeau putting another tax on her when she's already at her limit.  You might want to live in the 1850s standard of living with curbed energy usage, I don't.

When the petro energy runs out, you are going to be if we don't start shifting our consumption patterns away from fossil fuels, we are all going to have smog and cancer like beijing and india.

 

35 minutes ago, blueblood said:

There already is a price on carbon, it's publically traded and anyone can buy crude futures.  Funny thing when crude went past $100 people made smarter decisions.

how about she gets to keep more of what she earns and let the free market figure out what happens to energy.  It's why we don't use whale oil and horses anymore.

There is no energy free market, oil market is controlled by opec, an oil cartel.  She is keeping that moeny at the expense of future generations, not fair.

[H10]

2 hours ago, blueblood said:

Maybe low skilled low paying jobs were all she could get.  Maybe she and her husband were making money before and could afford things but a big change happened.

 If you are a liberal supporter would you advocate that to people if they weren't white and couldn't afford kids or live in the inner city?

We don't know her situation, but she must live within her means, maybe she needs to move to a cheaper community  She is making 3330 a month, that is enough money to live off of, not lavishly, but you'd be living.

 

There you go playing the race carts again.  Canada doesn't even have inner cities.  I live in Bridal path, work down on younge and king, do you even know what our inner city looks like?  Most people living in the city aren't running around with 4,5,6 kids, most people I know are upper middle class to rich and don't have more than 2 kids unless they are in the rich group. Want to be poor have 4 kids and no skills.

[blueblood]

1 minute ago, hernanday said:

 

we will never have complete information on her so we will all have to make presumptions.  You are presuming she even bought a house.  We don't know that.  She could have inherited it, ran into hard times and mortgaged the equity.

A mortgage still exists which she is trying to pay off.  Nothing wrong with inheriting things as it enables growth which benefits everyone.

1 minute ago, hernanday said:

 

When the petro energy runs out, you are going to be if we don't start shifting our consumption patterns away from fossil fuels, we are all going to have smog and cancer like beijing and India.

Petrol energy will eventually be replaced by something more efficient and less expensive.  However government shouldn't make that call, the market does.  There's a reason whale oil and horses are passé.  If you want to give up your lifestyle to live like the pioneers have at it.  Many people don't and certainly China, India, and the USA doesn't either. The air is still clean in Canada and will continue to be.  People can adapt.

1 minute ago, hernanday said:

 

There is no energy free market, oil market is controlled by opec, an oil cartel.  She is keeping that moeny at the expense of future generations, not fair.

OPEC learned the hard way about what happens when oil at $100 plus kickstarts innovation.  Canada and the USA have basically neutered OPEC and they have been forced to cut production which eats into their market share.

people around the world want our lifestyle and all forms of energy - nuclear, solar, hydrocarbons, hydro, tidal, wind will need to meet that demand.

[H10]

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

Sometimes one's income goes down, unexpectedly, when they've made decisions based on their higher income.  Perhaps she was married, and her husband left her for a woman with fewer kids - and he doesn't pay child support, either.  Perhaps he died.  Perhaps she had a higher paying job, but was downsized, and ended up taking a lower paying job rather than not work at all.   Would you rather she, her kids and her mortgage was entirely state supported?

Well sometimes people have to pay for the decisions they make in life.  I don't want anyone to be poor, but living in rural Ontario, having four kids, come on, was she really making piles of money when she had her first kid or second kid?  If the husband left her, she gets child support.If the husband doesn't pay, he goes to jail, and the state pays her the money and milks the husband dry.  And if the husband is doing that, this has to do with the white cultures lack of family values and lack of fathers in the home and lack of responsible behaviour.  When the Catholics tried to warn Canadians about divorce, the Canadians laughed in their face.  If he died, they should have had life insurance if his income was high.  anyways harper's law should have caused her to get about $10,000 a year so she should be well off.  You add that 10k  a year + her 40k a year and tax deductions she should be doing ok.  Maybe her kids need to go work.

 

I would rather that she reduce her lifestyle, she is not entitled to own a house, she is not entitled to live beyond her means on MY dollar.  True conservatives understand this.  She isn't entitled to MY money, or to pollute MY AIR. She has to pay like everyone else.

 

 

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

Perhaps she was expecting the one more child she could afford, and suddenly had two or three more (my mother ended up with three when she was expecting one, so don't think this doesn't happen).

There are many reasons why your assumption that people who are financially secure enough to have kids today will always be financially secure is just wrong.

 

 

Well, abortions are legal in Canada, as is adoption.  She didn't have to raise kids she cannot afford.

Then they ought be selfless and give up their kids to someone more financially secure and responsible.  You arenot entitled to kids and money.

 

 

[blueblood]

This isn't about her reducing her lifestyle.  She claims to be working more to finance it.  This is about a government knee capping her to fund their coffers when maybe the government should be getting its house in order.

[H10]

4 minutes ago, blueblood said:

A mortgage still exists which she is trying to pay off.  Nothing wrong with inheriting things as it enables growth which benefits everyone.

 

Her mortgage is her problem, if she can't afford it SELL.  You are not entitled to a house!  Canadians need to get over their entitlement issues, I'm entitled.

 

4 minutes ago, blueblood said:

Petrol energy will eventually be replaced by something more efficient and less expensive.  However government shouldn't make that call, the market does.  There's a reason whale oil and horses are passé.  If you want to give up your lifestyle to live like the pioneers have at it.  Many people don't and certainly China, India, and the USA doesn't either. The air is still clean in Canada and will continue to be.  People can adapt.

Even the petrol industry was largely financed by the government.  The market doesn't make the call, the government does, governments construct markets.  There is a reason you cannot drill where you want and refine oil in your backyard.  Yes because the government invested in roads and invested in oil infrastructure, not because of some magical free market.  Do you understand that true free markets don't have government's building roads and infrastructure to assist the petrol industry.  No we need to phase out these dangerous fossil fuels, the tar ponds are destroying the environment.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, blueblood said:

OPEC learned the hard way about what happens when oil at $100 plus kickstarts innovation.  Canada and the USA have basically neutered OPEC and they have been forced to cut production which eats into their market share.

people around the world want our lifestyle and all forms of energy - nuclear, solar, hydrocarbons, hydro, tidal, wind will need to meet that demand.

The Saudis can pump oil at 3 cents a barrel, they can crush the entire oil market single handily.  No, fossil fuel must be phased out via carbon taxes.  This is what we believe as a nation.  Trudeau has a mandate to impose them and save the environment from dangerous polluters.

 

 

[H10]

20 minutes ago, blueblood said:

This isn't about her reducing her lifestyle.  She claims to be working more to finance it.  This is about a government knee capping her to fund their coffers when maybe the government should be getting its house in order.

No, if you can't afford your lifestyle, start with the woman in the mirror, stop blaming people for your failures.  She was struggling when Harper was PM, she just wants a bailout. 

[blueblood]

4 minutes ago, hernanday said:

No, if you can't afford your lifestyle, start with the woman in the mirror, stop blaming people for your failures.  She was struggling when Harper was PM, she just wants a bailout. 

She will have to change her lifestyle based on government meddling which is ridiculous.  Not imposing a tax is not a bailout.  She didn't have the Ontario hydro jack her rates all at once to serve wynne's agenda.

at least when Harper was pm she could get by, now she is buried in tax.

[blueblood]

9 minutes ago, hernanday said:

 

Her mortgage is her problem, if she can't afford it SELL.  You are not entitled to a house!  Canadians need to get over their entitlement issues, I'm entitled.

She will have to sell and have have her wealth burned up.  She will still struggle to pay rent and the exorbitant hydro rates.  People are poorer as a result of taxes not richer.

 

9 minutes ago, hernanday said:

Even the petrol industry was largely financed by the government.  The market doesn't make the call, the government does, governments construct markets.  There is a reason you cannot drill where you want and refine oil in your backyard.  Yes because the government invested in roads and invested in oil infrastructure, not because of some magical free market.  Do you understand that true free markets don't have government's building roads and infrastructure to assist the petrol industry.  No we need to phase out these dangerous fossil fuels, the tar ponds are destroying the environment.

The only role of the government is to provide rules to allow the market to function and for some basic necessities such as roads, not the bloated unsustainable mess it is now.  The free market provides a tax base for government to get funds.  Hence the crappy living standards where government was in excess - Venezuela, Soviet Union, North Korea, most of China, India, 

9 minutes ago, hernanday said:

 

 

 

The Saudis can pump oil at 3 cents a barrel, they can crush the entire oil market single handily.  No, fossil fuel must be phased out via carbon taxes.  This is what we believe as a nation.  Trudeau has a mandate to impose them and save the environment from dangerous polluters.

The Saudis folded like a cheap tent.  If Saudis can pump at 3 cents why did they give up their market share by turning off the taps?  

Ontario believes fossil fuels must be phased out and are paying for it by being over taxed, highest subsovereign debt, and businesses not investing there.  Guess where the new auto plants are going?

9 minutes ago, hernanday said: