"Western countries should be ready to drown in blood and tears."

cannuck · December 30, 2016

I imagine so much of what Er

6 hours ago, marcus said:

Come on.

Just stop with the unconditional support and nationalism. It's ridiculous to deny the undeniable.

It is well-known that Turkey has bought oil from ISIL. You want evidence, do a google search. You will find hundreds of articles and evidence pointing to this.

Turkey doesn't mind ISIL in the territory because, not only do they supply Turkey with cheap oil, but they also counter the balance of power of the Kurds. Turkey has now, several times, used ISIL as an excuse to target the Kurds.

Bingo. You hit that nail right on the head.

Ash74 · December 30, 2016

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=turkey&country2=united-states-of-america&Submit=COMPARE

Found this site pretty interesting.

I know it is just a bunch of numbers but I do not think Turkey is going to be loading up its troop transports for the invasion of the new world anytime soon

Rue · December 30, 2016

8 hours ago, marcus said:

Turkey has helped ISIL. The U.S. has helped Al Qaeda in Syria, Libya and Sudan. Israel has helped Al Qaeda in Syria.

They are all jokes and hypocrites.

First off Israel does not help Al Quaeda. Sheer nonsense. Al Nusra which is Al Quaeda's sister organization in Syria is a Muslm Brotherhood creation and is allied wirh Hamas. No Israel does not support Al Nusra. Crap. It supports the Kurds and certain Druze and certain Berbers and Assyrians.

Israel has been in direct conflict with Erdogan, Morsi and Barak Obama because of their support of Sunni Muslim Brotherhood terrorists includin Al Quaeda/Al Nusra and ISIL. Israel is at war with them all and Hezbollah.

Saudi Arabia finances Al Nusra not Israel.

Israel in fact has a deal with Russia to keep Iran and Hezbollah from attacking it and in return Israel stays out of Syria. China entered into a military pact with Israel even though it is allied with Iran. That also neutralized Iran for Israel. Egypt is allied with Israel and so is Jordan. All 3 detest Iran, Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Saudi Arabia supports Hamas, Al Nusra, Wahabi extremists in Yemen and Bahrain who are enemies of Israel as much as they are against Iran.

-1=e^ipi · December 30, 2016

8 hours ago, marcus said:

You want evidence, do a google search.

Turkey has massive internet censorship. So there is a good chance that a google search, or the use of any other search engine, will not provide accurate information to Altai.

Altai · December 30, 2016

After Turkiye blamed Western countries of supporting terror organizations, today coalition airforces decided to shot Daesh positions in Al-Bab region for the first time after a long time, to pretend like they are figthing :lol: I cant believe how state officials behave such childish, are these persons ruling the states ? I dont accept these persons as the head of states. I really cant believe that. They are sooooo stupid.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Altai

Goddess · December 30, 2016

13 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Turkey has massive internet censorship. So there is a good chance that a google search, or the use of any other search engine, will not provide accurate information to Altai.

Do you think Altai knows that? Or no?Because she/he seems to think s/he's the only one on the planet with access to all information.

I ask because when I was in China, they all seemed to be aware that the information they had access to was censored by the government. S/he doesn't seem aware of that.

Ash74 · December 30, 2016

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Do you think Altai knows that? Or no?Because she/he seems to think s/he's the only one on the planet with access to all information.

I ask because when I was in China, they all seemed to be aware that the information they had access to was censored by the government. S/he doesn't seem aware of that.

I think it is more of a choice to ignore the censorship that is going on.

I don't blame her much. Look at a good number of Americans that have no clue what is going on outside their borders or around the world.

Altai · December 31, 2016

If I was a person living in Europe, I would leave it as quick as possible :rolleyes:

Edited December 31, 2016 by Altai

Goddess · December 31, 2016

6 hours ago, Altai said:

If I was a person living in Europe, I would leave it as quick as possible

But I thought you said that's where all us white people from Canada are supposed to be banished to?

dialamah · December 31, 2016

23 hours ago, Ash74 said:

I think it is more of a choice to ignore the censorship that is going on.

I don't blame her much. Look at a good number of Americans that have no clue what is going on outside their borders or around the world.

I wonder how living in a country like Turkey, with instability all around and regular terror attacks within their borders might affect a young person. She converted to Islam, and clings to Erdogan rather blindly, it seems. I think that's an indication of someone looking to feel safe and secure.

Altai · December 31, 2016

On 30.12.2016 at 7:13 AM, -1=e^ipi said:

Turkey has massive internet censorship. So there is a good chance that a google search, or the use of any other search engine, will not provide accurate information to Altai.

LoL this is a lie. I can enter any websites. If you claim I cant, prove it

Michael Hardner · December 31, 2016

Should be easy to test.

https://advox.globalvoices.org/2016/07/21/turkey-adds-wikileaks-to-a-long-list-of-blocked-websites/

This says Turkey banned Wiki in July - is it true ? Can you see it ?

Altai · December 31, 2016

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Should be easy to test.

https://advox.globalvoices.org/2016/07/21/turkey-adds-wikileaks-to-a-long-list-of-blocked-websites/

This says Turkey banned Wiki in July - is it true ? Can you see it ?

This is a stupid question, because Wikileaks is closed in many countries. If there was a serious issue related with Turkish govt, there are millions of people that could bring it on the agenda easily, any ordinary person can do it and there are millions of people waiting to find something bad related with Turkiye. You are heavily brainwashed people. The main problem is not that you are brainwashed, the main problem is that you are brainwashed because you are not capable to think on your own. So you cant even see that I can easily enter a Canadian forum. This is paranoia and sorry but you should be treated

Michael Hardner · December 31, 2016

https://wikileaks.org/

I can see it. What about Wikipedia ?

"I should be treated" ? I'm not asserting anything, I'm helping you with your assertion.

Bryan · December 31, 2016

1 hour ago, Altai said:

This is a stupid question, because Wikileaks is closed in many countries.

Yes, Turkey is not the only country that censors the internet. That is not the same thing as saying they don't censor.

What about this page, can you read it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Turkey

Or this one?

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/turkey-censorship-real-life/

Altai · December 31, 2016

1 hour ago, Bryan said:

Yes, Turkey is not the only country that censors the internet. That is not the same thing as saying they don't censor.

What about this page, can you read it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Turkey

Or this one?

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/turkey-censorship-real-life/

Another point is there are many persons in Turkiye openly violating laws on the internet. So comparing Canada with Turkiye will mislead you. For example people says that there are many journalists in Turkiye that jailed, because there are journalists in Turkiye that openly makes terrorism propaganda or violates laws in any other ways. Recently a journalist named A.Sik is jailed. Because he openly meant that terror organizations has right to held terror actions because of such a government. Can you say in Canada or US that ISIS has right to perform terror actions because US govt is cause for it ? What happens to you ? :rolleyes:

Altai · December 31, 2016

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://wikileaks.org/

I can see it. What about Wikipedia ?

"I should be treated" ? I'm not asserting anything, I'm helping you with your assertion.

All websites are open in Turkiye as long as they dont violate laws. Wikileaks is closed because of the "Privacy of private life" law. They are publicly sharing emails of people. Still I can reach their sites through proxies or through social media.

Michael Hardner · December 31, 2016

12 minutes ago, Altai said:

All websites are open in Turkiye as long as they dont violate laws. Wikileaks is closed because of the "Privacy of private life" law. They are publicly sharing emails of people. Still I can reach their sites through proxies or through social media.

Ok. "as long as they don't violate laws" isn't a good test for censorship, generally, though. A country could just declare a site illegal, right ?

Altai · December 31, 2016

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok. "as long as they don't violate laws" isn't a good test for censorship, generally, though. A country could just declare a site illegal, right ?

So what will happen when you declare a website illegal ? they will close themselves without an external intervention. Ofcourse no, they will keep performing their illegal actions. You should examine Wikileaks - US war. Many of these websites are from Western countries and when they do something illegal, Western countries are implementing a huge pressure on them until the site gives up, some governments are given right to intervene with the sites without any legislations. For example British govt can directly intervene with social media without any court decision needed. When it comes to Turkiye, we dont have such a chance, there is only one option that we close their websites until they delete illegal parts from their page.

Bryan · January 1, 2017

2 hours ago, Altai said:

Can you say in Canada or US that ISIS has right to perform terror actions because US govt is cause for it ? What happens to you ?

Nothing happens when people here say things like that, other than society ostracizing them.

Ash74 · January 1, 2017

3 hours ago, Bryan said:

Nothing happens when people here say things like that, other than society ostracizing them.

That is the point.

People have the right to agree with the terrorists. It is not the government that punishes them but the people that disagree quit listening to them or quit buying Their books or watching their shows.

GostHacked · January 2, 2017

On 12/29/2016 at 2:26 PM, Altai said:

Turkish and US officials debating heatedly.

Turkiye; You are supporting terror organizations.

US; Haaah this is funny, we DONT, dot !!!

Turkiye; Yes you dooo, dot !!!

This is true, however Turkey has supported the terror group called the 'Free Syrian Army'. Even allowed them to operate within Turkey. All sides are supporting terrorism by saying that they are supporting the 'rebels'.

Altai · January 2, 2017

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

This is true, however Turkey has supported the terror group called the 'Free Syrian Army'. Even allowed them to operate within Turkey. All sides are supporting terrorism by saying that they are supporting the 'rebels'.

Turkiye is supporting Syrian people and their right to take back their own lands. Western countries are supporting ISIS and terrorist Kurdish groups despite these groups have no right to own these lands. They invade local people's lands under the pretext of figthing against each other and local people are migrating to other countries or figthing against these terrorists under different groups which is supported by Turkiye.

GostHacked · January 2, 2017

5 hours ago, Altai said:

Turkiye is supporting Syrian people and their right to take back their own lands. Western countries are supporting ISIS and terrorist Kurdish groups despite these groups have no right to own these lands. They invade local people's lands under the pretext of figthing against each other and local people are migrating to other countries or figthing against these terrorists under different groups which is supported by Turkiye.

No, Turkey does not have the Syrian people in mind at all. None of our leaders actually care about the people themselves. This is geo-political and I am almost guessing something to do with resources in the area. Kind of like Iraq after 2003. Turkey has supported terrorism under the guise of supporting the rebels. A story we all know very well in the West because nations like the US and UK have done exactly that which lead several nations down the road to ruins. It is because of Assad and Russia that Syria has not completely failed (although it's close)

The reason entities like ISIS exist was because of the power vacuum, left in several M.E. nations after 2001 based on false pretenses to invade nations like Iraq and Afghanistan. Since we now know the evidence to get into Iraq was all false, many still think it's all their fault for not getting there crap together after Hussein was taken out.

You have several factors that contribute to the rise in these terror groups, and Turkey supporting some of those terror groups.

Altai · January 2, 2017

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

No, Turkey does not have the Syrian people in mind at all. None of our leaders actually care about the people themselves. This is geo-political and I am almost guessing something to do with resources in the area. Kind of like Iraq after 2003. Turkey has supported terrorism under the guise of supporting the rebels. A story we all know very well in the West because nations like the US and UK have done exactly that which lead several nations down the road to ruins. It is because of Assad and Russia that Syria has not completely failed (although it's close)

The reason entities like ISIS exist was because of the power vacuum, left in several M.E. nations after 2001 based on false pretenses to invade nations like Iraq and Afghanistan. Since we now know the evidence to get into Iraq was all false, many still think it's all their fault for not getting there crap together after Hussein was taken out.

You have several factors that contribute to the rise in these terror groups, and Turkey supporting some of those terror groups.

I wont reply you. I replied and mods deleted it and I wont re-write anything. If you have a claim, please post in my "News Analysis" topic together your proofs and evidences. I dont like these kind of vicious cycle discussions. If you claim that your father is able to beat my father, post it together solid-based documents in "News Analysis" topic. Thats all, bye ...