This month in Christianity/Atheism/Judaism/Asia and Far East Religions/New religious movements

[Altai]

The problem is there happens dozens of crimes against religious people daily and only in Europe but there is almost zero news about it. Media is hiding all of these crimes.

[Rue]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You can certainly blame religion for atheism. If it wasn't for the one there'd be no point to the other.

Cause and effect yes. Blame is something else. Not all atheists blame religion  for anything. They choose

their position based on a belief that they need objective methodology to independenly prove something before they deem it as a fact.

They don't claim to know what is true only what can be proven as fact through objective methodology, i.e.,controlled conditions that

examine cause and effect phenomena.

Interestingly some theoretical physicists and  mystic religious elders have arrived at the same conclusions about energy and its movement.

Some believe some religions might be codes of science passed down from other civilizations that visited earth and left them with the anestors of today's religious followers.

If so these aliens would have violated the prime directive and that might explain some of the mess left behind and why evolution seems to leap in surges and not have arose over an even pace.

 

[Rue]

7 minutes ago, Altai said:

The problem is there happens dozens of crimes against religious people daily and only in Europe but there is almost zero news about it. Media is hiding all of these crimes.

Yah dozens of crimes and no one notices and yet Altai does. Interesting how that works. People run around with cell phones and no one notices "religious" attacks in Europe.

[Altai]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Yah dozens of crimes and no one notices and yet Altai does. Interesting how that works. People run around with cell phones and no one notices "religious" attacks in Europe.

There is only 6 countries in totally 28 Europe countries are taking record of anti-religious attacks, especially attacks against Muslims. All the other countries are ignoring anti-religious attacks. Another point is almost all Western governments are supporting wars in Muslim countries to support the murder of more Muslims. It is also anti-religious attacks. I am sure even in this forum, there are many posters would murder all Muslims if he/she would have such an oppurtunity. Stop playing the innocent kitten.
 

[Rue]

22 hours ago, Altai said:

There is only 6 countries in totally 28 Europe countries are taking record of anti-religious attacks, especially attacks against Muslims. All the other countries are ignoring anti-religious attacks. Another point is almost all Western governments are supporting wars in Muslim countries to support the murder of more Muslims. It is also anti-religious attacks. I am sure even in this forum, there are many posters would murder all Muslims if he/she would have such an oppurtunity. Stop playing the innocent kitten.
 

Why hello. I never know when you have me on ignore. Always a treat to hear from you.

1. Who are the 6 of 28 countrues in Europe and how did you determine the other 22 are not taking record of anti-religious attacks. Now you originally said not providing any news of religious attacks not its not taking record. I assume you mean the same thing. How did you determine this?

2. You stated almost all Western governments support wars in Muslim countries to support the murder of more Muslims and that these constitute religious attacks. As far as I know there are some Western countries engaged in military assistance and response to terror cells that call themselves Muslims but not all Muslims. So why do you blur the distinction and suggest response against terrorist Muslims simply means attacks against Muslims. Are you saying that all Muslims are terrorists and so an at tack on a Muslim terrorist is an attack on all Muslims? That seems quite bigoted against Muslims lumping them all as terrorists. Now you have any concern when Turkey attacks "Muslims" who are Syrian or Lebanese?  You have any concerns about Russia attacking Muslims in Alleppo?  Now tell me if a Canadian soldier assists Kurds defend themselves against ISIS does this mean Canada is at war with all Muslims? You really want to suggest that? Tell Justin Trudeau because he loves to pose with Syrian refugees and have his Ministers engage in photo ops with Muslim Canadians. His foreign policy advisor on the Middle East is a man called Omar Alleghbra who despises israel. His brother Sasha was paid by the Iranian government to do a film extolling the virtues of Iran. You sure you have it down right? I think you should call Justin. Now mind you he is out a lot. From what I can gather he doesn't spend too much time in Ottawa or the House of Commons but maybe he can call you from one of his many photo op visits. Also Mr McCallum the Immigration Minister would love to speak with you.

Now your comment suggesting people on this forum want to murder Muslims simply because they are Muslims is of course the kind of smeer that makes me ask if you feel that way, mention their actual names and suggest the basis of your conclusion.

You now Altai I have read some comments about Israelis, Zionists, Jews, Christians, Conservatives and the forum moderators that I suppose might trigger negative perceptions but I am not sure about random homicide.  Many people feel their religion is a target of hatred. The question is-how much of that is your belief being projected on others and how much of it is actually true? Does the fact I hate Muslim terrorists for example mean I hate all Muslims? I hate terrorists of any religion why is it if they are Muslim you try remove their terrorist identity and simply call them Muslim?

As for the innocent kitten remark, thank you but I  am 60. That means my prostate is older then anything you could possibly imagine, So if anything  that makes me an old dog and believe me I am not innocent. I've peed on many trees in my day. I do appreciate being called an innocent kitten though. Makes me feel frisky. Maybe I will go climb a tree.

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Edited December 17, 2016 by Rue

[Michael Hardner]

On 12/16/2016 at 6:48 AM, Michael Hardner said:

 

But the idea that religion alone is responsible for such acts doesn't appear to have much support at all.  Maybe I should merge the threads into 'This month in ... religion'...

 

Just a thought.

Not seeing objections to this idea...

[Altai]

A mosque have been set on fire by Atheist or Christians in France.

http://www.star.com.tr/dunya/avrapada-islam-dusmanligi-artiyor-fransada-cami-kundaklandi-haber-1168442/
 

[Altai]

Another mosque have been attacked by Atheists or Christians in Scotland. We dont know which one because news agencies do not make any statement about religious/belief background of the attackers as long as its not a so-called "Muslim".

http://www.star.com.tr/dunya/iskocyada-camiye-cirkin-saldiri-haber-1168456/

Edited December 17, 2016 by Altai

[Altai]

Atheist or Christian terrorists attacked two guys which they though that they are Muslims. 

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Victims-Asked-Are-You-Muslim-Before-Attack-Possible-Hate-Crime-407029875.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

[Altai]

Atheist or Christian terrorist attacks Muslims and threatens them with "genocide".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-stabs-muslim-john-henry-matteson-racism-slurs-religion-mosque-california-suspect-a7471046.html

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not seeing objections to this idea...

Fill your boots.  It'll turn into a competition then though.

Edit>  Actually, looking at the posts around this one, I think it already has.

Edited December 17, 2016 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal

[Altai]

Atheist or Christian terrorist guy attacks elderly Muslim man and tries to murder him.

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/thug-who-smashed-elderly-muslim-7215826#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Edited December 17, 2016 by Altai

[kactus]

On 16/12/2016 at 9:06 PM, Rue said:

Kactus your comments show you attack Jews and Judaism using the pretext of perceived Israeli political policies as your excuse. In so doing you show how your true agenda is to attack and make negative comments about Judaism and Jews.

Your comments also show you continue to try pit Jews against Muslims posing all Muslims as innocent victims and all Jews as privileged.

Kactus all you have done is illustrate you are intolerant and bigoted in the name of Islam and you don't distinguish Israeli government decisions from Judaism or Jews. In fact you demonstrate the very behaviour against Jews you claim is done to Muslims.

Now I am glad you also speak on behalf of others when you say they and you don't give a damn what I think. Lol. The more the merrier.

Do you wish to provide a list of names? Lol.

One last thing, if you don't give a damn what I think why do you then contradict yourself and show you do by responding to me and also complaining I  don't care about Muslims?

What I also find interesting is you make an allegation that I have not challenged people who make unfair statements about Islam or Muslims as people. My posts speak for themselves and have shown I have but in fact you will only refer to  Jews to insult them on this forum and justify your hatred of them calling them Israeli and calling Israel MY country because I am a Jew.

Comments like that show you are just a one trick bigot. If you genuinely cared about Muslims you wouldn't treat non Muslims the way you demand Muslims not be treated.

Instead you show in your words you expect one standard of treatment for Muslims and one for Jews.

Let me be clear. I think you how in your responses you are a bigot and you do so in the name of Islam. I do not blame Islam or other Muslims for your opinions just like I do not smeer all Muslims because of extremist ones or terrorist ones.

That's the difference between us. The only time you can speak about a Jew or Judaism is to enunciate hatred and stereotypes designed to incite hatred about Jews.

Yah I got it. You know Jews who think they are superior to non Jews. Right. Well then that settles it. There you go, lets all hate Jews then.

This thread is about religions and I challenged the stereotyping of all three by removing passages from holy books and giving them one litreral translation. You couldn't respond to what I said but you sure as hell use this thread to make anti Jewish comments.

 

 

Rue.....

Incase you missed the clue this thread is about judaism....Let's not have your paranoia get the better of you. This thread is about some religions and what is essentially wrong with them. Judaism is one of them whether you like it or not it has it's shortcomings! Deal with it. 

Your knee jerk reaction about any comments made on jews or the netanyahu's filthy policies shows very much where your loyalty lies.

I am not defending the moslems but am sick and tired of people like you pretending to show themselves as 'unbiased' towards the Israel/Palestine conflict but oblivious to the crimes the israeli government is carrying out against palestinians and always justify their actions. How convenient for you to put on your canadian hat when it suits yo! You are amongst those silent majority that refuse to see the wrong in what you are doing but when a palestinian acts in self defence you resort to your PR machine to spew hatred against them calling them terrorists....

Lol! as for the list of people, you know exactly who they are. I have seen you lot colluding on topics and making a thread drift at any length to repudiate facts...DOP, JBG, Rue, Bush-Cheyney are just some of the members here with this track record...

The very fact that you cannot even accept the lie Betsy has written here and instead come after me shows how bigoted you are! If YOU geninuely cared about moslems you wouldn't treat non-jews the way you demand that the jews are always the victims and moslems are evil....

You cannot have it both ways Rue by the expecting the israeli government to screw the non-jews and you guys are the 'defenseless good guys' wanting to live in peace whilst giving hell to palestinians. You are the one who tacitly approves all the actions of israeli government and will justify their actions in the name of being a good old canadian citizen.

Now let me be clear incase you have difficulty understanding. I believe your views do not represent all jews as there are extremists in any religion. You have the tendency to isolate people you disagree with and ridicule them by name calling when they are wrong and pretend their views donot represent the majority. Don't flatter yourself...

Homework start at your own doorstep before preaching about who is anti jew and who isn't...

I had no inclination to respond to the quote you have taken from a passage as that was not relevant to my post I replied to Betsy...

Edited December 18, 2016 by kactus

[Michael Hardner]

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Merging the "this week in ..." religion threads ?  Going twice.

[drummindiver]

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Altai said:

 I am sure even in this forum, there are many posters would murder all Muslims if he/she would have such an oppurtunity. Stop playing the innocent kitten.
 

Really? Disagreeing with violent ideology equates to wanting to murder? .

Nah,  we'll leave that to the violent ideology. 

[betsy]

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not seeing objections to this idea...

 

Why do you want to merge it?  That would be "clouding" the particular issue that the world has with Islamists!

What's happening under the name of Islam is current events!  

 

I know that aiming a spotlight on a particular issue ( which relates to a particular religion) makes some uncomfortable.....but we shouldn't be.  Especially when we're supposed to be in a forum!

 

Furthermore, can you explain exactly why you want to merge the Islam thread with this one?  Have you read the OP on this one?  The true purpose why this thread was created in the first place?   Just read what the author wrote  on page 1:

 

I dont care whether or not its religious/belief motivated. We cant know that. It also does not matter, these persons are most probably Christians or atheists and they commit crimes. 

 

You'll equate the seriousness of the Islam thread with this one?  I suggest based on the author's opinion, you should change her topic title to....."This month on Humanity."

 

So Michael, what's your rational reason behind wanting to merge this and Islam thread? 

Edited December 18, 2016 by betsy

[Altai]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

 

Why do you want to merge it?  That would be "clouding" the particular issue that the world has with Islamists!

What's happening under the name of Islam is current events!  

 

I know that aiming a spotlight on a particular issue ( which relates to a particular religion) makes some uncomfortable.....but we shouldn't be.  Especially when we're supposed to be in a forum!

Yes we want you to do that, go and aim a spotlight on a particular issue and you need to understand that this topic is not about your particular issue. You are just taking an agressive stance here and bullying us. You are not wanted in this topic.

Here the topic which was started for your particular issue >>> 

 

Edited December 18, 2016 by Altai

[betsy]

7 minutes ago, Altai said:

Yes we want you to do that, go and aim a spotlight on a particular issue and you need to understand that this topic is not about your particular issue. You are just taking an agressive stance here and bullying us. You are not wanted in this topic.

Here the topic which was started for your particular issue >>> 

 

You misunderstand.   I have nothing against you creating your own topic.....

 

I'm simply objecting to the ludicrous idea of merging this with the thread about Islam. They should remain separate. 

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2016 by betsy

[Altai]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

You misunderstand.   I welcome your topic. 

 

I was simply objecting to the ludicrous idea of merging this with the thread about Islam. They should remain separate.

 

Yes I agree they should stay seperate and you should send your posts there, not here. This topic is not about Islam but all the other religions/believes except Islam.

[betsy]

2 minutes ago, Altai said:

Yes I agree they should stay seperate and you should send your posts there, not here. This topic is not about Islam but all the other religions/believes except Islam.

I was responding to Michael's post on this thread.

 

Good that you agree with me about them remaining separate!  At least we agree on something.

 

MICHAEL!  Altai agrees with me - that's another objection to your proposal.

Edited December 18, 2016 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

Hi Betsy, the discussion on the threads seems to be similar.

[Guest]

It'll give people something to do when it's cold outside.

[Altai]

This topic is going to a new World record with 9 pages of off-topic posts  

You should post like this one below and you should discuss about it ;


Muslim man gets stabbed by an Atheist or Christian terrorist in the train.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/forest-hill-stabbing-wife-tells-of-horrific-moment-husband-knifed-in-kill-a-muslim-train-stabbing-a3421196.html

Edited December 18, 2016 by Altai

[OftenWrong]

Was that one about Christianity or Islam? I'm all confused now.

[dialamah]

On 12/16/2016 at 1:31 PM, Altai said:

 I am sure even in this forum, there are many posters would murder all Muslims if he/she would have such an oppurtunity. Stop playing the innocent kitten.
 

Maybe not "many", but certainly a few who would support the actual murdering of Muslims just for being Muslim.