bush_cheney2004 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 The U.S, government hacks more nations than anybody else.....because it can. Croc tears about Russia are meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 58 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: It's hogwash that the Russians are behind email leaks, this stunk from the first whisper campaign. Why on earth would the dems tell us the Russians are behind it? Fear, that's why. And to try to draw that line between Trump and Russia (Putin). It's so transparent that it's laughable. The Dems must be laughing their asses off that you people actually bought it. It's just as likely to be Iran, China, N.Korea, or any other hacking groups. They've been getting hacked for years, now all of the sudden when the emails show up, they know exactly who is behind it. It sounds like a scene from "Wag the dog". It's hogwash that Putin fears anything remotely close to a Hillary presidency, although you'd love the world to be in fear of a woman, wouldn't you? He'd tell her to pound sand, just like he did with Obama. How exactly is Clinton going to impose a no-fly zone...or should I say, how is she gonna enforce it? Are you suggesting that she start a war with Russia for no other reason than overthrowing a despotic gov't who is fighting a rebel terrorist group? Real smart! Really? Ya better tell this guy. Quote GOP vice presidential nominee Mike Pence admitted Sunday morning that it appears increasingly likely Russia has been meddling in U.S. elections by hacking into public officials’ email accounts. “I think there’s no question that the evidence continues to point in that direction, and we should follow it where it leads,” Pence, who is currently Indiana governor, said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.” “And there should be severe consequences to Russia or any sovereign nation that is compromising the privacy or the security of the United States of America.” On NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday, Pence added, “I think there’s more and more evidence that implicates Russia, and there should be serious consequences.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Wilber said: Really? Ya better tell this guy. Well, then I guess we'll see the US gov't take legal action against Russia - I'll bet they don't though. I bet it'll all go away, just vanish into dust as soon as the emails stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Just so it's on record, I have no doubt that these countries are all cyber spying on each other. My issue is about the leaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 19 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: It's hogwash that the Russians are behind email leaks Even Trump's running mate admits "I think there's no question that the evidence continues to point in that direction" that Russia is likely behind the email attacks. The only dumb jerk that says it is a Democrat conspiracy is the compulsive liar Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, ?Impact said: The only dumb jerk that says it is a Democrat conspiracy is the compulsive liar Trump. Once I would have thought there would be more negatives associated with being an obvious Manchurian candidate, but it appears that partisanship not only trumps country but it even trumps party in this election. Edited October 17, 2016 by BubberMiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) On 10/16/2016 at 4:07 PM, WestCoastRunner said: Russia has been implicated in hacking of emails to influence the outcome of the election. Here are some reasons why he'd prefer trump to Hillary: Hillary stands in defiance to Putins vision of a sphere of influence that includes the former soviet union She will have a stronger more aggressive stance than Obama ever did to deter Russia's aggression in Europe and beyond Clinton wants to impose a no-fly zone in Syria, greatly affecting Russia Why Putin fears a Clinton presidency http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/opinions/putin-clinton-hate-affair-ghitis/index.html It's just an opinion, WCR. Edited October 17, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Mrs. Clinton discussed hiding emails from Mr. Obama, then deleted them. On March 4, 2015, Mr. Podesta wrote Mrs. Clinton’s lawyer Cheryl Mills about hiding Mrs. Clinton’s emails to Mr. Obama from congressional investigators. The day before, her team was subpoenaed to turn over all of Mrs. Clinton’s emails. “Think we should hold emails to and from potus?” Mr. Podesta asked. “That’s the heart of his exec privilege. We could get them to ask for that. They may not care, but seems like they will.” Three weeks later, Mrs. Clinton’s team BleachBit more than 33,000 emails. Mrs. Clinton’s spokesman urged her to lie to the public on whether she sent classified information. Bloomberg News reported Mrs. Clinton’s campaign spokesman Brian Fallon urged her to issue a blanket denial that she ever sent classified information through her private email server because anything less could open her up to charges she broke the law. “We should not think it is fine to find something that ‘should have been classified at the time,’ ” Mr. Fallon, the spokesman, wrote to other top campaign officials on Aug. 22, 2015, as they debated a statement Mrs. Clinton would make on her use of an email server in her home. “Our position is that no such material exists, else it could be said she mishandled classified info,” Mr. Fallon wrote. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/14/seven-more-hillary-clinton-scandals-exposed-wikile/http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/14/seven-more-hillary-clinton-scandals-exposed-wikile/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 So in other words, there are no real barn-burning scandals from the leaks, other than the fact that the candidate who commissioned them did so illegally with the help of an unallied foreign government. Pardon me, I meant OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE CANDIDATE WHO COMMISSIONED THEM DID SO ILLEGALLY WITH THE HELP OF AN UNALLIED FOREIGN OGVERNMENT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Will there be more wikileaks coming out before the election? Are they saving the biggest bombshell for last? Edited October 17, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Maybe they'll include the Apprentice tapes. Then there'll be something interesting to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 7 hours ago, betsy said: Will there be more wikileaks coming out before the election? What's up with Assange. Rumours are that the government of Ecuador cut off his Internet access. Three cryptic messages were sent with a key in them, perhaps to others who will release the emails and other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Assange should ask Hillary Clinton for tips on evading government control of sensitive communications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 20 hours ago, betsy said: Will there be more wikileaks coming out before the election? Are they saving the biggest bombshell for last? For someone who defends what Trump said on the basis that it was an invasion of privacy to listen you seem to be almost salivating to get your eyes on the private correspondence of Clinton campaign staff provided by Russian intelligence hacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) No damaging revelations have surfaced from Hillary's emails and paid speeches that were hacked. http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-email-hack-what-learned/index.html Quote During the appearances -- which were more question-and-answer sessions with Goldman Sachs chief Lloyd Blankfein than speeches -- Clinton commented on Wall Street's role in financial regulations, relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin and how politics played into the decision to tighten regulations on the financial industry in 2010. While the transcripts show a blunter, less reserved Clinton, much of what the former secretary of state said to Goldman Sachs and other groups appear generally in line with some of what she has said publicly. But the speeches offer no dramatic differences between what Clinton said publicly, as Sanders and other liberal Democrats suggested they might during the Democratic primary. Edited October 18, 2016 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 On 10/17/2016 at 1:09 PM, betsy said: It's just an opinion, WCR. Yes, an opinion from a woman well versed in foreign affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 WikiLeaks reveals Hillary Clinton to be more reasonable than her critics had claimed. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Interesting press release from Ecuador today about cutting off Assange's internet at their embassy in London: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b642c/wikileaks-assanges-internet-link-severed-state-actor Cutting off his internet is a good start.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Guess Ecuador doesn't like being used to interfere in the elections of other countries. Party poopers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) This one's from the FBI files! Quid pro quo': FBI files show top State official tried to 'influence' bureau on Clinton emails A senior State Department official proposed a “quid pro quo” to convince the FBI to strip the classification on an email from Hillary Clinton’s server – and repeatedly tried to “influence” the bureau’s decision when his offer was denied, even taking his plea up the chain of command, according to newly released FBI documents. Fox News first reported Saturday that the FBI interview summaries and notes, known as 302s, contained allegations of a quid pro quo. Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who initially told Fox News of the claim, called it a “flashing red light of potential criminality.” Documents published Monday morning confirm the account. Notes from an interview with an unnamed FBI official reveal the State Department Undersecretary for Management Patrick Kennedy tried to horse-trade with the FBI, offering additional slots for the bureau overseas if they would de-classify a particular email marked “SECRET.”'Quid pro quo': FBI files show top State official tried to 'influence' bureau on Clinton emails | Fox NewsEx-F.B.I. Official Acknowledges Role in New Clinton Email ControversyA former F.B.I. official at the center of the latest controversy over Hillary Clinton’s private emails acknowledged on Tuesday that an offer to swap favors with a State Department counterpart on an email classification issue had originated with him — until he realized the deal involved Mrs. Clinton and the 2012 attack in Benghazi, Libya.Mr. McCauley recounted in the interview that Patrick F. Kennedy, a senior State Department official, called him in spring 2015 looking for help in getting the F.B.I. to agree not to classify the disputed email. Mr. McCauley said he had agreed to try to help him if Mr. Kennedy would help him get the State Department to restore two spots that the F.B.I. had lost recently in the Baghdad embassy.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/us...mail.html?_r=0 BENGHAZI! I bet this will be prominent at the debate tonight. Edited October 19, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 41 minutes ago, betsy said: BENGHAZI! I bet this will be prominent at the debate tonight. I expect that Donald Trump being a drug trafficker will top that. Of course the fact that Putin is aiding Trump might come into play as well. Edited October 19, 2016 by ?Impact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, ?Impact said: I expect that Donald Trump being a drug trafficker will top that. Of course the fact that Putin is aiding Trump might come into play as well. We'll see. Dead Americans who've been frantically asking for help (and the attempt by Dems to de-classify a classified info), is quite a blow. It not only shows Hillary had lied.....but also proof that the Dems are up to their neck in corruption. The optic of Bill Clinton having a nice chat with Justice Dept Attorney General, isn't good either. (That's an understatement). Trump's promise to have Hillary Clinton investigated will really resonate! Edited October 19, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 4 hours ago, ?Impact said: I expect that Donald Trump being a drug trafficker will top that. Of course the fact that Putin is aiding Trump might come into play as well. Saying Trump is a drug trafficker is no different than what Betsy is doing. It's hyperbole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 47 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Saying Trump is a drug trafficker is no different than what Betsy is doing. It's hyperbole. I do wish there were a sarcasm font to help those who are slow to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Wikileaks: Podesta lamented that a Muslim, not a white man, named as killer in 2015 massacre Top Hillary Clinton aides were upset a Muslim man was publicly named as the shooter in a 2015 massacre that left 14 people dead, and a longtime Clinton confidant even expressed regret that the terrorist wasn’t a white man, according to purported emails released by WikiLeaks on Sunday. The email chain began on Dec. 2, when digital operative Matt Ortega forwarded a tweet from MSNBC host Christopher Hayes that named one of the shooters in the San Bernardino, Calif., attack as Sayeed Farook. Consultant Karen Finney forwarded the email to Podesta, commenting, “Damn.” Podesta responded: “Better if a guy named Sayeed Farouk [sic] was reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter.” But Podesta’s written lament of the shooter’s ethnicity underscores a long-running aversion in the Clinton campaign – and many in the Democratic party at large – to associating terrorist acts with any aspect of the Islamic religion. In a 154-page debate prep book that was developed two months after the San Bernardino attacks, and also unearthed in the WikiLeaks document dump, topic 47 is devoted to “Should we call this Islamic terrorism?” Nowhere in the suggested seven-point answer does “Islamic terrorism” make an appearance. Instead, it’s suggested that Clinton call the enemy “radical jihadists.” http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/16/wikileaks-podesta-lamented-that-muslim-not-white-man-named-as-killer-in-2015-massacre.html Two-faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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