You can't call a spade a spade?

[Argus]

An alcoholic native artist street person died a week ago in Ottawa. She turned up in the river near the shelter she had been sleeping at. Hardly a surprise.

So a police officer, commenting in the comments section of an Ottawa newspaper, not as a cop but as an individual, said she probably just got drunk and fell in the river. Not much of a stretch there. He also said many natives have short lifespans.

Well, this, of course, outraged the easily outraged, who followed him to his facebook page, found out he was a police officer, and complained to the Ottawa police of his 'racist' posting. A bunch of native groups squealed and expressed their indignation, and the cop is now under investigation by internal affairs.

For saying the truth. It seems you're not allowed to make routine, casual and obvious comments any more where some minority might get offended, and the collection of progressive lickspittles who make their living through various associated groups can snivel about it to your boss. If anyone wonders why it's a bad idea to have everyone here use their real names you only have to look at a case like this.

You'll note there are no comments allowed on this story. The Globe knows very well what would happen if it presented a story like that to the public. The comments section would be filled with 'racist' comments.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ottawa-police-investigating-death-of-annie-pootoogook-as-suspicious/article32072294/

Edited September 29, 2016 by Argus

[?Impact]

So a police officer, commenting in the comments section of an Ottawa newspaper, not as a cop but as an individual, said she probably just got drunk and fell in the river. Not much of a stretch there. He also said many natives have short lifespans.

and yet the police are investigating because there is something odd about this case (they haven't released the details) to cause them to believe there might be more here than a drunk falling into the river. How many cases are dismissed because some knee jerk reaction (mark it up to a drunken Indian) by a beat cop? If you are in a position of responsibility, and make ill informed comments in the public space, don't cry like a baby when your biases are exposed.

[BC_chick]

What a dummy. I'm even careful which posts I 'like' using my Facebook account. The world is a small place and I'm well aware that many of the people I do business with may not like my opinions. I'm even vague enough on this forum to not give away too much about myself.

If I were they type to assume the worst about someone's death just because of stereotypes about their culture, then yes, I would definitely not do it using my FB account.

Double that if I was a public servant.

Idiot.

[?Impact]

I'm even vague enough on this forum to not give away too much about myself.

Your secret is safe with us Premier Clark.

[BC_chick]

Your secret is safe with us Premier Clark.

Shhh, I'm on a covert operation to take myself down.

[msj]

Isn't this more of stating an opinion rather than calling a spade a spade?

I mean, I know we live in a post factual world now, but should the test not be "why, yes, objectively, that is a spade and you are, in fact, calling it a spade" rather than " I think this is what happened, don't really know, results could come in differently, but, yeah, I think this is what happened"?

Reminds me of that flight a few months ago that went down near Egypt.

Lots of people stating it was terrorism as if that was a fact. Dog on Porch was very particular on this point.

Sure enough, wait for facts to surface, and they suggest some sort of fire/accident.

Not sure why people can't wait for those facts.

Not sure why people, if they do comment prior to the facts coming out, will complain that others may call them out on their speculation.

If I speculate call me out.

But don't call what you're doing "calling a spade a spade" when it is, in fact, the same baseless speculation with a different conclusion than mine.

[Argus]

and yet the police are investigating because there is something odd about this case (they haven't released the details) to cause them to believe there might be more here than a drunk falling into the river. How many cases are dismissed because some knee jerk reaction (mark it up to a drunken Indian) by a beat cop? If you are in a position of responsibility, and make ill informed comments in the public space, don't cry like a baby when your biases are exposed.

But she WAS a drunken Indian. If she was a white straight guy instead, an alcoholic who lived on the streets, everyone would make the same assumptions.

[Argus]

Isn't this more of stating an opinion rather than calling a spade a spade?

I mean, I know we live in a post factual world now, but should the test not be "why, yes, objectively, that is a spade and you are, in fact, calling it a spade" rather than " I think this is what happened, don't really know, results could come in differently, but, yeah, I think this is what happened"?

She was an alcoholic street person. Is that post factual? The attitude of both police and media was that this was not exactly a shocker, and there was no sign of foul play, nor was foul play suspected. Re-opening the investigation was probably more a political thing to protect themselves from accusations that they treated the death too lightly because she was a native.

[Boges]

Is PM Little Potato going to assemble a Royal Commission to get the the bottom of this and provide recommendations how Native Alcohols falling into the river can be prevented in the future?

[overthere]

Is PM Little Potato going to assemble a Royal Commission to get the the bottom of this and provide recommendations how Native Alcohols falling into the river can be prevented in the future?

Um, where have you been snoozing? The National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls has already begun, and this poor soul has been added to the list. Or will be.

Wouldn't the standard autopsy performed on persons who die unexpectedly determine the course or very existence of an investigation by police?

[PIK]

And the IMMIW will find the same conclusion the others did. Killed by family members and alcohol is a huge factor. 95% of native problems is alcohol. Now this lady that died, If she is the one I am thinking of,she has been on tv quite a bit, she was a great artist, but booze did her in, and she had a boyfriend that was a alcoholic also and had problems with him at times.

Edited September 29, 2016 by PIK

[overthere]

And the IMMIW will find the same conclusion the others did. Killed by family members and alcohol is a huge factor. 95% of native problems is alcohol.

Nope. Alcohol abuse is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself

[PIK]

Take out the booze, most of the problems disappear, and yes the chiefs that have been ripping off their own people still will be needed to be dealt with.

[overthere]

Take out the booze, most of the problems disappear, and yes the chiefs that have been ripping off their own people still will be needed to be dealt with.

Every few years the white people take out their Chiefs and replace them with new Chiefs, we call these events ' elections'. In short order those new white Chiefs start the plunder again. Would you deal with the First Nations Chiefs separately, or at the same time as the White Chiefs?

Keep in mind that all the money starts with the White Chiefs.

[?Impact]

Re-opening the investigation was probably more a political thing to protect themselves from accusations that they treated the death too lightly because she was a native.

Thank you for that deep insight. You are obviously an expert with all the answers, and not a racist.

[PIK]

And the new white chief we have is no better and is going to give them even more to steal.

[dialamah]

This woman no doubt has family, people who love her. His comment about short life spans was thoughtless and cruel. Makes it sound like she wasn't important, a throwaway, fated to die young, why bother to do anything to change that reality?

[DogOnPorch]

This woman no doubt has family, people who love her. His comment about short life spans was thoughtless and cruel. Makes it sound like she wasn't important, a throwaway, fated to die young, why bother to do anything to change that reality?

Was she not master of her own ship?

Or must someone be blamed?

[SpankyMcFarland]

One important step is for native people to acknowledge the problem:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-september-27-2016-1.3780316/indigenous-people-need-to-tell-their-stories-of-sobriety-says-lawyer-1.3780373

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/cree-author-takes-on-filthy-stinking-subject-of-aboriginals-and-alcohol

Regarding the case in question, even if this were not an accident, inebriation would have made it more likely. A high percentage of homicide and suicide victims have alcohol in their blood at autopsy.

Edited September 29, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland

[Argus]

Like I said, if this was a white guy nobody would have thought twice about the comment. Only because she's a native are the progressive set sobbing about 'racism'.

[BC_chick]

Like I said, if this was a white guy nobody would have thought twice about the comment. Only because she's a native are the progressive set sobbing about 'racism'.

That's because the cop would not have brought race into it if he were white.

[The_Squid]

A cop should have more brains than to comment on an ongoing case in the "comments" section. Sheer stupidity.

[Argus]

That's because the cop would not have brought race into it if he were white.

All he said was that a lot of natives have shorter lifespans because of addiction issues. Is this untrue?

[BC_chick]

All he said was that a lot of natives have shorter lifespans because of addiction issues. Is this untrue?

Really, this needs to be spelled out for you?

Ok, I don't know if you're aware, but he's displaying the exact same callous disregard for FN lives which has been the subject of much criticism over the years.

Oh, she was just a drunk, meh. They all die early so why waste time and resources investigating.

Maybe you agree with that, but generally, the police try and deny they harbour these beliefs.

He's an idiot.

[GostHacked]

Was she not master of her own ship?

Or must someone be blamed?

Can we blame Muslims for this too?