Because it's 2016

[DogOnPorch]

I'm not even going to respond to people suggesting that I'm talking about this because I hate Muslims and not because I care about women. And I'm not going to respond to people suggesting that I wouldn't give Christians the same criticism.

I've been on this board for a very long time and I think my track record on both issues speaks for itself. I doubt anybody on the forum has offered more criticism of Christians than I have over the years.

-k

The knee-jerk response from those who defend Islam is to attack any criticism and make personal attacks. I'm sure everyone will get a warning point for doing so....

[kimmy]

I'm not doing any moderator stuff in this thread other than asking people to stay on topic.

-k

[drummindiver]

I think the whole issue is disgraceful. Female MPs in Canada should not hav been subjugated to this.

Michele O a a, while in Saudi Arabia, refused to wear any head covering, and that was on their soil.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/michelle-obama/11373787/Michelle-Obama-causes-outrage-in-Saudi-Arabia-by-not-wearing-headscarf.html

[DogOnPorch]

I'm not doing any moderator stuff in this thread other than asking people to stay on topic.

-k

I'm referring to Mr Charles.

Myself and others have real concerns re: Islam. It is, for the moment, a free country and I do NOT have to show this Medieval cult one once of respect 'just because'. Daily, some Muslim...good I assume...turns bad and shoots up something. Unless folks would like to disagree with that, now....

[dialamah]

I'm not even going to respond to people suggesting that I'm talking about this because I hate Muslims and not because I care about women. And I'm not going to respond to people suggesting that I wouldn't give Christians the same criticism.

I've been on this board for a very long time and I think my track record on both issues speaks for itself. I doubt anybody on the forum has offered more criticism of Christians than I have over the years.

-k

Did you criticize JT for attending Catholic services in March 2016? Did you base your objection on the Catholic Church's lack of gender equality? If I missed that, sorry.

I haven't been on this board for years so no, your record does not speak for itself to me. But when I get home tonite, I will see if I can find posts where you criticized a PM for attending a Christian Church that doesn't embrace gender equality.

[DogOnPorch]

I think the whole issue is disgraceful. Female MPs in Canada should not hav been subjugated to this.

Michele O a a, while in Saudi Arabia, refused to wear any head covering, and that was on their soil.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/michelle-obama/11373787/Michelle-Obama-causes-outrage-in-Saudi-Arabia-by-not-wearing-headscarf.html

A Saudi woman would face the religious police who enforce Sharia Law. Her insolence would be punished.

[DogOnPorch]

Did you criticize JT for attending Catholic services in March 2016? Did you base your objection on the Catholic Church's lack of gender equality? If I missed that, sorry.

I haven't been on this board for years so no, your record does not speak for itself to me. But when I get home tonite, I will see if I can find posts where you criticized a PM for attending a Christian Church that doesn't embrace gender equality.

Does the Catholic church call for the death of homosexuals? Your post is a lark.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'm not even going to respond to people suggesting that I'm talking about this because I hate Muslims and not because I care about women. And I'm not going to respond to people suggesting that I wouldn't give Christians the same criticism.

I've been on this board for a very long time and I think my track record on both issues speaks for itself. I doubt anybody on the forum has offered more criticism of Christians than I have over the years.

-k

I'm still waiting to hear about all these feminists who were offended by his visit as you have suggested.

[DogOnPorch]

Rationalizations....

This mosque is one of Imam Yusuf al-Qarasawi's. He calls for the murder of all Jews and death to all homosexuals...among other things.

Our PM went there knowing this.

Edited September 21, 2016 by DogOnPorch

[?Impact]

This mosque is one of Imam Yusuf al-Qarasawi's.

How, please describe the connection. Has Yusuf al-Qarasawi ever set foot in this mosque? Has Yusuf al-Qarasawi ever set foot in Canada? Has any organization Yusuf al-Qarasawi created been declared illegal in Canada? I believe the only connection I am aware of is that an Imam at this mosque happens to be a member of a perfectly legal organization in Canada that was started by Yusuf al-Qarasawi ( International Union for Muslim Scholars).

[DogOnPorch]

How, please describe the connection. Has Yusuf al-Qarasawi ever set foot in this mosque? Has Yusuf al-Qarasawi ever set foot in Canada? Has any organization Yusuf al-Qarasawi created been declared illegal in Canada? I believe the only connection I am aware of is that an Imam at this mosque happens to be a member of a perfectly legal organization in Canada that was started by Yusuf al-Qarasawi ( International Union for Muslim Scholars).

You're free to support Imam al-Qaradawi and his rhetoric as well as any excuses you feel necessary to do so.

[?Impact]

You're free to support Imam al-Qaradawi and his rhetoric as well as any excuses you feel necessary to do so.

What kind of twisted logic is that?

[DogOnPorch]

What kind of twisted logic is that?

You're the guy going to bat for the fellow. He's not all that bad being the battle cry.

Rationalizations. Our PM went to this Imam's mosque knowing full well its agenda re: killing all Jews and homosexuals...to name a few he wants dead.

[?Impact]

You're the guy going to bat for the fellow. He's not all that bad being the battle cry.

Rationalizations. Our PM went to this Imam's mosque knowing full well its agenda re: killing all Jews and homosexuals...to name a few he wants dead.

I ask you what is the link, and you drum up this garbage? How is this his mosque? Answer the question, and don't make totally stupid allegations.

[DogOnPorch]

I ask you what is the link, and you drum up this garbage? How is this his mosque? Answer the question, and don't make totally stupid allegations.

Your free to deny it's al-Qaradawi's mosque. Perhaps the media is lying about the fellow. Perhaps I am. Al-Qaradawi is really a good Muslim who doesn't want to murder all the Jews and homosexuals. It's just Islamophobes trying to belittle a great, peaceful religion and sully the good name of this wonderful Imam.

Sound about right?

Yes indeed.

[?Impact]

Your free to deny it's al-Qaradawi's mosque. Perhaps the media is lying about the fellow. Perhaps I am. Al-Qaradawi is really a good Muslim who doesn't want to murder all the Jews and homosexuals. It's just Islamophobes trying to belittle a great, peaceful religion and sully the good name of this wonderful Imam.

How could any Prime Minister ever attend any church, ever? They are filled with hate material, and that is provable. Open up the bible to Leviticus 20:13, and it commands you to kill homosexuals. Any Prime Minister who ever visited any church is a full supporter of that according to your logic.

I ask you again, what is the connection of Yusuf al-Qarasawi to this mosque. Can you even demonstrate that he is aware it exists?

[DogOnPorch]

How could any Prime Minister ever attend any church, ever? They are filled with hate material, and that is provable. Open up the bible to Leviticus 20:13, and it commands you to kill homosexuals. Any Prime Minister who ever visited any church is a full supporter of that according to your logic.

I ask you again, what is the connection of Yusuf al-Qarasawi to this mosque. Can you even demonstrate that he is aware it exists?

It's his mosque as the media reports. You're free to support this Imam and his mosques

I'm not a Christian as you suggest. If our PM went to a church that wanted to murder all the homosexuals, I'd be ticked at that too. Instead, he went to a mosque that does.

[Guest]

I guess it would be like Obama visiting the WBC.

[DogOnPorch]

I guess it would be like Obama visiting the WBC.

Except Muslims do execute gays.

[Boges]

How could any Prime Minister ever attend any church, ever? They are filled with hate material, and that is provable. Open up the bible to Leviticus 20:13, and it commands you to kill homosexuals. Any Prime Minister who ever visited any church is a full supporter of that according to your logic.

I ask you again, what is the connection of Yusuf al-Qarasawi to this mosque. Can you even demonstrate that he is aware it exists?

False Moral Equivalency.

I'm sure JT wouldn't never darken the hallway of a church founded by the WBC. But their doctrine isn't nearly as extreme as that of the Imam from this Mosque. One could argue the WBC is the most extreme form of Christianity we have and even they don't preach violence. (I'm actually pretty sure they're a well organized troll job)

Comparing the Catholic church and their refusal to ordain women as priests to a Mosque that makes women sit upstairs and has doctrine around killing Apostates and Anti-Semitism shows a complete lack of perspective.

Again this isn't a new thought, I mentioned something similar pages ago, but it seems posters are still trotting out the same narrative OVER AND OVER again.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Boges

[Argus]

First - no, most Muslims are not willing to kill and die. Second, I didn't deny that some were

And how many are willing to see other Muslims kill and die on behalf of Allah? How many support death for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery and homosexuals? Answer, most.

[?Impact]

It's his mosque as the media reports.

What media reported it was his mosque. As I pointed out above, the only link the media has been able to establish is that an Imam at the mosque happens to be a member of the International Union for Muslim Scholars, an international group that promotes dialogue.

But their doctrine isn't nearly as extreme as that of the Imam from this Mosque.

What Iman, and what is his doctrine?

[DogOnPorch]

And how many are willing to see other Muslims kill and die on behalf of Allah? How many support death for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery and homosexuals? Answer, most.

Not to mention that this is the Progressive 'tiny numbers' argument.

There will only be a tiny number of deaths due to Islam...being the gist...acceptable losses...like a B-17 mission over the Reich.

[Argus]

So you can't answer. Thus the problem. Which Muslims are the good ones?

All of them who aren't actually engaged (this moment) in killing other people.

[DogOnPorch]

What media reported it was his mosque. As I pointed out above, the only link the media has been able to establish is that an Imam at the mosque happens to be a member of the International Union for Muslim Scholars, an international group that promotes dialogue.

What Iman, and what is his doctrine?

Again. You're free to both support Islam and this Imam and his murderous rhetoric.

You're also free to deny the media reports that say its al-Qaradawi's mosque. I understand you have damage control to do.