Because it's 2016

[kimmy]

I don't understand why you keep asking that. As far as mosques go, it's very progressive. That's why it's the go to mosque for politicians, from the Mayor to Chretien.

I haven't read anywhere that it's the most progressive mosque in Ottawa. I gather that it's the biggest and the oldest and that it's been the go-to mosque in Ottawa because it's the one the last guy went to.

-k

[GostHacked]

Islam's track record goes back to the Dark Ages re: attacking the West.

The 'West' was not even really a thing in the Dark Ages. The term of 'The West' is really a modern contextual concept.

[bush_cheney2004]

"Progressive mosque" is an oxymoron.

[GostHacked]

And then there are some who are fascinated with Canadian politics even though they cannot vote for them.

RIGHT BC_2004?

[Smallc]

I haven't read anywhere that it's the most progressive mosque in Ottawa. I gather that it's the biggest and the oldest and that it's been the go-to mosque in Ottawa because it's the one the last guy went to.

-k

Now we've moved the bar to most progressive.

[kimmy]

Now we've moved the bar to most progressive.

It doesn't have to be the most progressive mosque in Ottawa, I'd settle for one that doesn't practice gender segregation. Surely there must be a mosque in Ottawa that would have let the women join the men in front of the Prime Minister?

-k

[Smallc]

It doesn't have to be the most progressive mosque in Ottawa, I'd settle for one that doesn't practice gender segregation. Surely there must be a mosque in Ottawa that would have let the women join the men in front of the Prime Minister?

So, now you're discounting that they were in the room? Are we just going to keep talking in circles?

[kimmy]

So, now you're discounting that they were in the room? Are we just going to keep talking in circles?

They may have been in the room, but they certainly weren't "with the men".

You can look at that photo and tell me you don't find anything unsavory about it, but I don't believe you.

-k

[Smallc]

Yes, they were behind the men. Islam, like (almost) all religions, treats women as less. Shall I stop the presses?

They were in the room, they were taking pictures, and they shook his hand.

Would I rather that people stopped believing in make believe and joined us in reality? Sure.

Do I think that going to the mosque makes Trudeau a hypocrite or even worst, a misogynist? Not really.

[DogOnPorch]

The 'West' was not even really a thing in the Dark Ages. The term of 'The West' is really a modern contextual concept.

Incorrect.

The Ottoman invaders even had a special name for it...Dar al-Gharb: House of the West.

Synonymous with Dar-al-Harb: House of War.

[DogOnPorch]

Vancouver and much of western Canada is infiltrated by Chinese spies living as 'Canadians'. More concerned with foreign spies than Muslims. However some spies could in fact be Muslims.

Hide under your bed.

You're free to deny the Muslim Brotherhood's influence in Canada.

[cybercoma]

DOP: (insert baseless claim)
​Poster: Show me evidence for your claim.
DOP: You're free to deny all you want!
​Poster: I'm not denying. I just want to see your evidence.
​DOP: DENIER!

​Broken record and lousy discussion strategy.

[DogOnPorch]

DOP: (insert baseless claim)

​Poster: Show me evidence for your claim.

DOP: You're free to deny all you want!

​Poster: I'm not denying. I just want to see your evidence.

​DOP: DENIER!

​Broken record and lousy discussion strategy.

The media...all of the media...report it is al-Qarasawi's mosque. Al-Qaradawi being a big shot in the Muslim Brotherhood...a group listed as a terrorist group in many countries. But not Canada for some reason yet to be determined.

That would make those doubters the deniers.

Again, you're free to support al-Qaradawi. I won't stop you.

[?Impact]

The media...all of the media...report it is al-Qarasawi's mosque.

Yet 40 pages later, you have not even provide a single link to media that backs up your allegation.

[Boges]

Yet 40 pages later, you have not even provide a single link to media that backs up your allegation.

I'm sure you'll doubt this because it's the SUN!!!!! But you asked.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/09/12/trudeau-visits-mosque-with-terror-connections

Samy Metwally, the lead imam at theOttawa Muslim Association, is a “a member of the International Union for Muslim Scholars (IUMS)”, according to the mosque’s website. In 2014 the United Arab Emirates placed the group on its list of designated terrorist organizations.

“IUMS was founded by Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood’s leading ideologue and a notorious figure who, among other accomplishments, was for many years banned from entering France and endorsed the murder of Israelis,” Daniel Pipes, an author and Islamic studies scholar who has taught at Harvard and University of Chicago, explained via e-mail.

The Muslim Brotherhood is also designated a terrorist organization by at least half a dozen countries globally. It has not been designated as such in Canada, though the federal government has come under increased pressure in recent years to do so.

The IUMS website posts various theological and political messages from al-Qaradawi in English. In a call for Syrian rebel groups to halt their infighting, he writes: “Allah Almighty has specified you to carry the banner of jihad, and to defend Islam, and to protect the sanctity of Muslims.”

Edited September 22, 2016 by Boges

[DogOnPorch]

Yet 40 pages later, you have not even provide a single link to media that backs up your allegation.

I have no issue with you supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. To some Canadians, it obviously has great appeal. Murdering Jews and homosexuals must be akin to going to Disneyland for some folks. Because al-Qaradawi sure is popular.

Take your pick, Defender of Islam...

https://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&site=webhp&source=hp&q=trudeau+al-qaradawi&oq=trudeau+al-qaradawi&gs_l=hp.3..33i160k1.1810.8159.0.9533.20.20.0.0.0.0.173.2633.0j19.19.0.foo%2Cbruas%3D1%2Cbrua%3D1%2Cbrapml%3D1...0...1c.1.64.hp..1.16.2176.0..0j0i131k1j0i131i46k1j46i131k1j0i3k1j0i22i30k1.Ua6UbS1ux9I

[cybercoma]

I'm sure you'll doubt this because it's the SUN!!!!! But you asked.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/09/12/trudeau-visits-mosque-with-terror-connections

This was already acknowledged and addressed:

How, please describe the connection. Has Yusuf al-Qarasawi ever set foot in this mosque? Has Yusuf al-Qarasawi ever set foot in Canada? Has any organization Yusuf al-Qarasawi created been declared illegal in Canada? I believe the only connection I am aware of is that an Imam at this mosque happens to be a member of a perfectly legal organization in Canada that was started by Yusuf al-Qarasawi ( International Union for Muslim Scholars).

[DogOnPorch]

See? Al-Qaradawi isn't such a bad fellow. It's just guys like me sullying his and the Muslim Brother's good name.

[?Impact]

I'm sure you'll doubt this because it's the SUN!!!!! But you asked.

Already addressed. That article does not call it his mosque, and only tries to establish a loose connection through a group of 100,000 individuals. There is a sexual predator living in your town, ergo you are a sexual predator.

[?Impact]

Take your pick, Defender of Islam...

Not one link of which (on the first page, I don't have the patience to go through thousands of unrelated google searches) supports your claim in the least.

Edited September 22, 2016 by ?Impact

[DogOnPorch]

Already addressed. That article does not call it his mosque, and only tries to establish a loose connection through a group of 100,000 individuals. There is a sexual predator living in your town, ergo you are a sexual predator.

What is your opinion of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Not one link of which (on the first page, I don't have the patience to go through thousands of unsealed google searches) supports your claim in the least.

Again, you're free to deny what the media reports.

[?Impact]

What is your opinion of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Again, you're free to deny what the media reports.

While it has done some good over the almost 90 years it has been around, the Muslim Brotherhood has also been involved in many bad activities. It has many similarities to the Catholic Church in spreading religion and charitable work. The big problem is it's involvement in state affairs, which is not unlike the Catholic Church up until recently. When it gained power in Egypt, the folly of being allowed any involvement in state affairs was clearly demonstrated. Overall, I think we would be far better off without it.

I haven't denied any media reports, I am simply pointing out that you need to read them first and not hear what you want.

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, the Holocaust might be viewed as a 'bad activity'...unless one is a 'radical Muslim'...or a Nazi.

Can you list a few of the good things the Muslim Brothers have brought to civilization as a whole?

[?Impact]

Yes, the Holocaust might be viewed as a 'bad activity'...unless one is a 'radical Muslim'...or a Nazi.

Can you list a few of the good things the Muslim Brothers have brought to civilization as a whole?

There is a long track record of providing medical services in Egypt, especially in the poorer areas.

[eyeball]

Can you list a few of the good things the Muslim Brothers have brought to civilization as a whole?

They've spoken truth to power. That makes the world a better place no matter who does it.