Brainless environmental policy damaging the economy

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada's leadership on the Kyoto Protocol (FAIL) really showed the world just how important it is.

[TimG]

Others follow. If we wait and do nothing hoping a place like China will take the lead, then things will get worse until we're beyond the tipping point.

ROTFL. China does not give a damn what other countries do. It will not cut emissions unless it is a side effect from doing things it wants to do anyways like cut down on smog. In fact, it really wants rich countries to handicap its industries with pointless regulations so it can further expand its dominance of global manufacturing. "Leading by example" is nothing other than a plan to make Canadians poorer while doing absolutely nothing for the environment. Edited September 22, 2016 by TimG

[The_Squid]

Canada's leadership on the Kyoto Protocol (FAIL) really showed the world just how important it is.

You're right. The last 2 governments have been dismal failures with respect to environmental policy.

Edited September 22, 2016 by The_Squid

[poochy]

You're right. The last 2 governments have been dismal failures with respect to environmental policy.

Surely, and now we have the former head of the WWF in charge of the nation, forcing carbon taxes upon us so some can feel good about themselves while nothing actually changes especially in light of our perhaps, maybe, reductions in GHG's that will amount to a completely irrelevant fraction of the yearly increase in global emissions, let alone the total. But hey, I guess that means more money in the bank for 127k moves 3 hours down the road. Pat yourself on the back, you're one of the 'good' guys.

[Smallc]

Yes Gerald Butts is coming for you.

[drummindiver]

Yes, its far better to have brainless economic policies that damage the environment instead.

Ironic how you so detest envitro mental damage so much, but Trudeau, Suzuki etc al globetrotting doesnt seem to bother you?

Edited September 22, 2016 by drummindiver

[drummindiver]

We now have emissions from transportation as the leading cause for GHG in North America because of the dwindling use of coal.

Clearly, coal is heavily used in China and other emerging markets, Our wee bit of GHG, including g oil sands, is a mere pittance and has better controls in place than pretty much anywhere.

Initiatives like the multi billion Samsung contract to build turbines and bring jobs...well, jpbs for Vietnameae "temp"workers at minimum wage levels as they are "the only welders capable" have costed us billions as well as the coal plant kerfluffle.

[PIK]

And where is the outrage?? The eco freaks and media went ballistic over harpers emission plan, and our new climate minister makes a big scene about how they were going to raise it and yet they now admit they are keeping harpers numbers. And not a peep out of anyone.

Edited September 22, 2016 by PIK

[eyeball]

I told you guys there's little to no difference between a Liberal and a Conservative government.

My outrage has waned considerably and it was mostly spent on the way both these have mismanaged most of our marine fisheries either into oblivion or corporate hands.

And not a peep out of anyone.

[poochy]

Yes Gerald Butts is coming for you.

Becoming more brainless by the minute, he is steering the ship, deny it with your continuously flippant, liberal hack comments all you like.

Edited September 22, 2016 by poochy

[Smallc]

Prove it. Prove that he, and not Trudeau, is making the decisions.

Just let me grab my tinfoil hat.

[Smallc]

Trudeau is so anti pipeline....

[Derek 2.0]

Trudeau is so anti pipeline....

I never would have said that, he did have a pipeline lobbyist on his campaign staff after all, but he appears to be anti urban BC voter, anti First Nation, anti Great Bear rain forest and anti environmentalist to the tune of increasing BC's carbon footprint by upwards of 10% with this one plant........be there no doubt though, he is pro Christy Clark.......that ought to be to his benefit in British Columbia circa 2019.....

[BC_chick]

I told you guys there's little to no difference between a Liberal and a Conservative government.

My outrage has waned considerably and it was mostly spent on the way both these have mismanaged most of our marine fisheries either into oblivion or corporate hands.

And not a peep out of anyone.

Yep. Just empty dazzle.

Huge fail today.

[Argus]

Trudeau is so anti pipeline....

You reduce him and the discussions about environmental policy to caricature.

The complaints about the Trudeau government is that it has been pandering to the environmental lobby, including that group of Luddites who think we should leave all resources in the ground and live in log cabins. The long, complicated, and uncertain path to get permission to develop resources of any kind is a drag on the economy, and Trudeau's kowtowing to the Luddites means it's going to get longer and more arduous. That is going to be even more of a drag on the economy as we go forward.

The decision on the LNG thing is more about bowing to the inevitable and the wishes of the BC government, as well as strong pressure from the Chinese.

Edited September 28, 2016 by Argus

[PIK]

190 conditions, say good bye to that. And now that America does not have carbon tax and we are going to, another disadvantage for us.

[Argus]

190 conditions, say good bye to that. And now that America does not have carbon tax and we are going to, another disadvantage for us.

It's easy for people to blithely tell pollsters that yes, of course, we support carbon reduction and carbon taxes - up until they get the bill. When they start to realize how much the new carbon tax is going to cost them, and how little they're going to get for it as the economy continues its downturn due to insane environmental policies, we'll see how strong that support is.

[poochy]

It's easy for people to blithely tell pollsters that yes, of course, we support carbon reduction and carbon taxes - up until they get the bill. When they start to realize how much the new carbon tax is going to cost them, and how little they're going to get for it as the economy continues its downturn due to insane environmental policies, we'll see how strong that support is.

And then they will complain the loudest about how they can't afford it and the government will give them some sort of energy credit allowance, and voila, wealth redistribution, the marxists never went away, they just started calling themselves enviromentalists, those of us who don't rely upon the government for our living, or for whom the government of the day isn't 'good for' will pay, we always do.

[Smoke]

And then they will complain the loudest about how they can't afford it and the government will give them some sort of energy credit allowance, and voila, wealth redistribution, the marxists never went away, they just started calling themselves enviromentalists, those of us who don't rely upon the government for our living, or for whom the government of the day isn't 'good for' will pay, we always do.

And they will probably blame either Harper or Harris.

[Smallc]

190 conditions, say good bye to that. And now that America does not have carbon tax and we are going to, another disadvantage for us.

Under Harper, Northern Gateway had over 800 conditions.

Why did Harper hate pipelines?

[PIK]

He built 4. And would some one like to explain to me how carbon scams will save the planet, I dare anyone to try.

[taxme]

He built 4. And would some one like to

explain to me how carbon scams will save the planet, I dare anyone to try.

You know the liberals will always try too.

[?Impact]

He built 4. And would some one like to explain to me how carbon scams will save the planet, I dare anyone to try.

Pipelines to tidewater to expand the market - Zero for Harper.

[Smallc]

He built 4. And would some one like to explain to me how carbon scams will save the planet, I dare anyone to try.

But 800 conditions! Why would he allow such a thing?

[dre]

He built 4. And would some one like to explain to me how carbon scams will save the planet, I dare anyone to try.

This is actually pretty easy. Carbon taxes create a small incentive to produce less CO2. That small incentive creates a market for everything from zero co2 products and technologies, to products and technologies that just lower the CO2 emissions of existing technology. The results in research and development. There is a lot of really smart people around the world right now working new technology, and good work is being produced. And at some point there is going to be some major breakthroughs. Whether its solar, electrical storage, thorium nuclear, or fusion.

They serve to nudge the private sector towards a positive direction. We need to get off of fossil fuels... our reliance on them and the volatility in pricing is already an impediment to economic growth. Gas cost 40 cents a liter when I was a kid. Its over 2 bucks now. How will the economy look once its $5? How about $10? We need our smartest and most innovative people to be focused on the problem so that one day energy can be almost free. And governments are just trying to create incentives that get the private sector interested in helping to solve the problems.

The future of the human race depends on us having an abundant supply of cheap energy. That WILL not come from existing sources. We have work to do....

Edited October 5, 2016 by dre