Police Officers Shot in Dallas #2

[taxme]

The first two sentences are idiotic in content the rest unfortunately true.

Police are never allowed to murder. They are allowed to use justifiable force to defend themselves if threatened. There's a huge difference and clearly your mind won't get the difference and I wouldn't waste my time even trying to explain the law to you. We the people do not give and can not give anyone the right to murder. In fact the laws that give the police their powers come from politicians we elect and delegate to pass laws. Those laws are broad.

Actual police training and techniques used on the street do not come from you and thank God for that.

Police training in the US and Canada, everywhere, face serious challenges when there is wide spread gun possession, poverty, drug addiction.

Police training is challenged because today we want a police officer to be a soldier, social worker, teacher, psychic, all in on and those roles come into conflict.

You have zero credibility on this thread. You've already chosen in other threads to pose as a white supremacist.

Why can't you ever get the drift as to what has been said? Why is it that I feel that I have to go one word at a time with you for you to understand what has been said? You are hopeless indeed. But now knowing as to where you are always coming from, and what group you belong too and support, I can understand and can over look your rantings.

So, I suppose that you think that you have 100% credibility on this thread, uhmm? When I tell you that there is a difference between someone who is a pro-white activist and someone who is a KKK supporter and member, you continually keep coming back with your zionist silly nonsense that no white person can be proud of who they are, they just have to be a racists and white supremacists no matter what. You know there is a difference between a five dollar bill and a ten dollar bill. Do you get my drift? Probably not.

But besides that, what has talking about the shooting of police officers in Dallas have to do with you bringing up white supremacists here anyway? And you tell me that I have zero credibility here? Looks like I am not alone.

[Topaz]

Any chance some of these police were former military and maybe suffer mental health issues? The US is looking more like the 1960's and 1970's, with former vets shooting people, Black people protesting and violence all around and the news keeps repeating and repeating the same stories. The country is in a lot of trouble.

[Bryan]

Just ask him.

I've sen him quite specifically refute the assertion on this forum. I'm asking for where he's affirmed it here.

[jacee]

I've sen him quite specifically refute the assertion on this forum. I'm asking for where he's affirmed it here.

He denies it while spewing their demented mantra.

Taxme was on a real roll tonight:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/25888-blm-hold-the-toronto-gay-pride-parade-hostage/?p=1173118

Jews were quite prominent in the German government when Hitler was Germany's leader. This bull crap that Hitler killed 6 million Jews is just that, zionist crap. And the lie that the Nazis made lampshades from dead Jews is so bloody ridiculous. Hitler was more humane to Jews than Stalin was. But yet, Hitler for some reason is always portrayed as some kind of nut case. The western media is so full of it.

Ask him.

Edited July 12, 2016 by jacee

[BC_chick]

When I tell you that there is a difference between someone who is a pro-white activist and someone who is a KKK supporter and member,

So you're a pro-white activist (who are not white supremacists), but not a KKK member (who are white supremacists). Did I get that correctly?

[dialamah]

Wikipedia says:

White nationalism is a political ideology which advocates a racial definition of national identity for white people; some white nationalists advocate a separate all-white nation state. White separatism and white supremacism are subgroups within white nationalism.^[1] The former seek a separate white nation state, while the latter add ideas from social Darwinism and National Socialism to their ideology.^[1] The vast majority of white nationalists are separatists, and only a smaller number are supremacists.^[1] Both schools of thought generally avoid the term supremacy, saying it has negative connotations.^[2]

I'm reminded of that old saw "A rose by any other name".

[jacee]

I'm reminded of that old saw "A rose by any other name".

White nationalists want their own white country. I've suggested a large ice flow way up north be made available to them. (Global warming? They don't believe in it ... Oops!)

White supremacists want burning crosses, pointy white hats and lynching back.

White activists ...?

I think they want lots of booze and drugs and whining and moaning ... because they can't make the cut to get jobs when they have to compete with women, gays and minorities anymore.

And guns and knives ... and more booze and drugs.

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Edited July 12, 2016 by jacee

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

Stop trolling. Stop posting personal attacks. Stop derailing the thread.

[jacee]

Any chance some of these police were former military and maybe suffer mental health issues? The US is looking more like the 1960's and 1970's, with former vets shooting people, Black people protesting and violence all around and the news keeps repeating and repeating the same stories. The country is in a lot of trouble.

You raise an interesting point, Topaz: The militarization of police may reflect ex-military personnel, some operating with PTSD, who view protesters as enemies:

'To serve and protect'

becomes

'To seek and destroy'.

The acquisition of military equipment - drones, robot bombs, etc. further perpetuates the 'military' focus.

I think confidence in police is at an all time low because they go to great lengths to cover up any officer transgressions against the public.

That more than anything is what enrages people (we pay their salaries, ffs!! AND their settlements when they get sued!)

... and puts all officers at risk.

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Edited July 12, 2016 by jacee

[Argus]

You raise an interesting point, Topaz: The militarization of police may reflect ex-military personnel, some operating with PTSD, who view protesters as enemies:

There are three quarters of a million cops. Some of them are obviously going to have issues from time to time just like any other large group. But the fact remains there's no evidence of any large number of improper shootings, and the improper shootings themselves seem to be mostly errors of judgement, which again, with 750,000 people carrying guns on their hips, is going to happen now and then.

[Argus]

Press room filled with reporters playing video games, as wire service reports come in.

"Looks like a dubious police shooting" someone says.

Everyone looks up eagerly.

"White guy though."

Everyone goes back to video game.

"Looks like a dubious police shooting" someone says a little while later.

Everyone looks up eagerly.

"Black guy."

Everyone starts to stand up

"But the cop was black too."

Everyone sits down and starts playing video games.

"Looks like a dubious police shooting" someone says a while later.

Everyone looks up.

"Black guy."

Everyone starts to stand up.

"White cops! White cops!"

Sirens wail! Bells clang! Lights flash! Everyone races to their satellite vans. Reporters come sliding down fireman type poles! Tires screech as the trucks race off towards the shooting! Reporters prepare their breathless reports on the racism and evil of the police officers involved to broadcast to the public.

[jacee]

There are three quarters of a million cops. Some of them are obviously going to have issues from time to time just like any other large group. But the fact remains there's no evidence of any large number of improper shootings, and the improper shootings themselves seem to be mostly errors of judgement, which again, with 750,000 people carrying guns on their hips, is going to happen now and then.

If it's all 'going to happen now and then'

... why the cover ups?

It's the cover ups that enrage people and put more officers at risk.

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[Argus]

If it's all 'going to happen now and then'

... why the cover ups?

It's the cover ups that enrage people and put more officers at risk.

No it's not. All such shootings are thoroughly investigated but the 'enraged' people throwing things at cops usually appear within a couple of days of the shooting, never caring to wait until the investigation is over and findings are in.

[Guest]

No it's not. All such shootings are thoroughly investigated but the 'enraged' people throwing things at cops usually appear within a couple of days of the shooting, never caring to wait until the investigation is over and findings are in.

The standards of such investigations or the power of investigators to weed out bad cops seem to be an issue though. Two of the cops involved in Baton Rouge were investigated 5 times over the past 7 years for excessive force and questionable conduct.

Edited July 12, 2016 by Guest

[GostHacked]

Folks,

Stop trolling. Stop posting personal attacks. Stop derailing the thread.

Which part was trolling, which one was personal attacks?? That would be good to know to have examples in order to avoid that in the future.

[Bryan]

Which part was trolling, which one was personal attacks?? That would be good to know to have examples in order to avoid that in the future.

I second that motion.

[jacee]

No it's not. All such shootings are thoroughly investigated but the 'enraged' people throwing things at cops usually appear within a couple of days of the shooting, never caring to wait until the investigation is over and findings are in.

'Internal' investigations are not real investigations.

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[Charles Anthony]

Which part was trolling, which one was personal attacks?? That would be good to know to have examples in order to avoid that in the future.

No. You are looking at things backwards.

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[Argus]

The standards of such investigations or the power of investigators to weed out bad cops seem to be an issue though. Two of the cops involved in Baton Rouge were investigated 5 times over the past 7 years for excessive force and questionable conduct.

When your job involves laying hands on people and forcing them to do things they don't want to do, you're going to draw complaints. That's especially so in this day and age where people seem to get easily outraged over things. I posted a few videos earlier showing just how easily people can get into screaming outrage over routine arrests. How many complaints do you think those arrests drew? You hear people yelling at the cops stupid things like "Hey, that's a girl! That's a girl!" like so what? Or "You can't hit him! You're not allowed to hit him!" Yeah, they actually are. People are dumb.

The prosecutor in Baltimore who charged all those cops with murder in the Freedy Gray case were either incompetent or simply wanted to defuse the tension then. It was clear those cases weren't going to result in conviction. The only possible guy they could have convicted was the driver - the black driver - but they charged the officers who arrested him! Why? Because the baying mob wanted charges.

[Argus]

'Internal' investigations are not real investigations.

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Which case involving police shooting a black guy has had no external investigation lately?

And btw, I agree with you. In fact, I'd like to see Ontario cops who refuse to cooperate with the SIU (the civilian special investigation unit) which investigates police shootings be fired.

[Bryan]

Ask him.

I did. He quite emphatically refuted the allegation.

[Charles Anthony]

Which part was trolling, which one was personal attacks?? That would be good to know to have examples in order to avoid that in the future.

The posts preceding mine discuss a member of the forum. The topic of this thread is not that member of the forum.

You connect the rest of the dots.

[GostHacked]

No. You are looking at things backwards.

No, I am asking what YOU perceive as trolling in this thread. I have barely participated in this thread. It would be nice to have examples of what you consider trolling. Because your definition of it and administration of suspensions is 100% arbitrary we demand something definable.

[Argus]

I'm sure there would have have been riots over this police shooting - if the guy kiled hadn't been white.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-graphic-police-video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-unarmed-man/article30913254/

Edited July 14, 2016 by Argus

[bjre]

I'm sure there would have have been riots over this police shooting - if the guy kiled hadn't been white.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-graphic-police-video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-unarmed-man/article30913254/

China's human right situation is much better:

Police normally don't use gun, even they meet a guy with knife:

Female Chinese SWAT member tackled a man to the ground in one motion

The man was recorded standing in the middle of a road holding a knife

The woman approached him from behind and gabbed his right arm

She forces him to drop the knife before flipping him onto his stomach

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3687688/Female-Chinese-SWAT-member-disarms-flips-knife-wielding-man-ground.html#ixzz4EQHMUzhS

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