Boges Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 Interesting to see where progressives come down on this issue. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pride-parade-toronto-1.3662823 Members of the Black Lives Matter Toronto group briefly halted the Pride parade today, holding up the marching for about 30 minutes. The parade didn't re-start until after Pride Toronto executive director Mathieu Chantelois signed a document agreeing to the group's demands. The organization was given the status of Honoured Group for the parade, which is the grand finale of Pride Month. It did not give Pride Toronto advance notice of their planned sit-in. Alexandra Williams, a co-founder of Black Lives Matter Toronto, told CBC's Natasha Fatah that they held the sit-in because they wanted to hold Pride Toronto accountable for what she called "anti-blackness." Williams defended the group's actions. "It's always the appropriate time to make sure folks know about the marginalization of black people, of black queer youth, black trans youth, of black trans people," she said. In a news release, the group said Pride Toronto "has shown little honour to black queer/trans communities, and other marginalized communities. Over the years, Pride has threatened the existence of black spaces at Pride that have existed for years." The group released a list of demands, including a commitment to increase representation among Pride Toronto staff, and to prioritize the hiring of black transgender women and indigenous people. Some of the other demands Chantelois agreed to are that the parade will no longer have police floats, and the organization will hold a public town hall with groups such as Black Lives Matter Toronto within six months. Pride Toronto, in response to the sit-in, said it welcomes the opportunity to "continue the conversation" with Black Lives Matter Toronto. "During the parade, BLM-TO started a conversation with us to explore how we can create an even more inclusive and safe festival. We, like BLM-TO have a commitment to ensure our most marginalized communities feel safe and welcome at the festival." So is Pride racist now? I think it's highly inappropriate to use a parade that's actually one of the top tourist draws in the City every year to force a set of demands down the organizers throats. What was the director supposed to do? He was completely blindsided. The demand to ban Police floats is especially weird. The parade is supposed to be about inclusiveness. To the point where it's a bone of contention every year whether to allow a group that's accused of anti-semitism to march. But no police! I'm interested to see people on this boards reaction to this. Was BLM offside here or is this just a legit form or protest.
TimG Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) I'm interested to see people on this boards reaction to this. Was BLM offside here or is this just a legit form or protest.No one's right to protest gives them to right to interfere with anyone else. I don't care how good they think the cause is. If you interfere with others going about their day you should charged with harassment. Edited July 4, 2016 by TimG
Moonlight Graham Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 The publicity stunt worked well for them, they got on the news headlines, they got on the CBC's The National. I think it was pretty low for them though, it was all for publicity, it was very rude and inappropriate, and their reasons for the protest sounded pretty BS to me. If there's any group or organization that sides with BLM it would be Pride. If they're looking for public support for BLM they didn't gain many converts today, but turned a lot of people off. "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 Actually, the BLM move is consistent with disruption of any "mainstream" event to garner attention. Gay Pride parades have become very routine in many cities around the world, to the point of being "establishment" status quo from BLM's point of view. Economics trumps Virtue.
poochy Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 It's no different than any other form of progressivism, eventually even the progressives must progress more, and considering how far left we already are they have nowhere to go but to more extreme positions, personally I enjoy it when they eat their young. But maybe BC is right, being gay is simply so normal now, thankfully, that it's mainstream, perhaps the parade isn't important anymore.
cybercoma Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 The Pride Parade no longer having police floats is painfully ignorant to the history of Toronto Pride even if BLM has a point about intersectionality. Police floats are there because Pride started as a protest, which some would call a riot, when police were busting up gay bars and arresting people literally for being gay. BLM shows a stunning ignorance of the history of the Pride movement by demanding that police floats not be included.
Rue Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Why the surprise. It took a slaughter in Orlando to remove Queers Against Israeli Apartheid from the parade. That group led by radical Muslims who supported radical extremist Muslim ideology and the violent overthrow of Israel were allowed to march for 5 years insulting gays of all kinds not just Jewish gays and their leader is openly anti semitic. They stil embrace the very radical Muslim ideology they use to justify hating Jews that also for the very same reasons defines gays like Jews and for that mother other non Muslims like Bahaii, Zoroastreans, Buddhists, Christians, Druze, Kurds, Yazidi and for that matter Ahamadiyya and Ismaili Muslims infidel. The gay pride organizers didn't have the balls to say no to these bigots who could care less about gay peop[e. So why be surprised this parade was hijacked. The chief organizer of the parade is an insipid, self righreous trendy leftist who can't imagine his beliefs stink. He has never been to the Middle East and has no clue what terrorism is. Ironically many of the black women in this group are gay but at the same time they are also quite openly proud radical Muslims just like the members of Queers Against Apartheid cult followers They have no problem embracing radical Islam and marching in gay parades and saying out loud they pray to Allah to give them strength not to kill or hurt whites. They have no problem embracing an ideology that led to the Orlando slaughter and preaches the very intolerance against gays the gay movement formed a collective to overcome. Let's call it what it is. The gay community has allowed their parades and festivities to be abused and infiltrated and taken advantage of not just by radicals but by corporate sponsors. Its not just a cultural celebration anymore, its been hijacked now and turned into a marketing opportunity for banks and other businesses and a pretext for self indulgent extremists to spew intolerant, fascist ideology. Of course these individuals sat and held up the parade for 30 minutes causing a bottle-neck and participants to faint in the hot sun while they self-indulged banging on drums and having tantrums they call demands. They don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. They are no more a legitimate representatives for blacks and/or gays then the late Dudley Laws, a former pimp and immigrant smuggler with his Black Defence League They are a bunch of losers the press gives a platform to. They are a bunch of angry radical Muslim women with Muslim extremist, anti white racist views. Let's spell it out, that is all they are-angry idiots who expropriate Islam and gayness to have tantrums in public nd make statements inciting hatred against whites, males, police and they will use events like this to spread their poison and poison it is. "Progressives say anything? " Hah. Left wingers admit they tolerate fascism and racism under the pretext of trendy leftism? Hah and hah. The gay community has got to grow some balls and say once and for all, no such groups at our celebration. It doesn't belong. Edited July 4, 2016 by Rue
-1=e^ipi Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 First they exclude CAFE, now they exclude police. What group will the Toronto pride parade exclude next year? It's becoming a very exclusive event now. SJWs have hijacked the pride parade. It is a political organization/event now.
Big Guy Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 Black Lives Matter had a little sympathy from me when they first organized and tried to bring attention to their initial cause - inequality of income of blacks. I support any group the right to protest - to a point. Stand between me and where I am legally allowed to go and want to go then be prepared for a confrontation. The BLM movement reminds me of the Black Panthers who were organized in 1966 in the USA with the intention of monitoring police brutality and assisting the black community through Free Breakfast for Children Programs and community health clinics and other community social services. Eventually the radicals took control of the movement and black militancy, drug dealing and extortion became common because "the end justified the means". Eventually, the moderate black organization disowned it as a criminal organization. Watching the parade, the BLM sit down and the rhetoric of the spokespersons has turned me off whatever their cause could be.. The final nail in the coffin for me was the raised fist (The old Black Panthers salute) by some of the members of the sit-in. By acceding to their demands, the parade organizers have taught these folks that their tactics work. I believe that we are in for some very hot and confrontational summers. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Queenmandy85 Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 Never, ever give in to blackmail A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Argus Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 The publicity stunt worked well for them, they got on the news headlines, they got on the CBC's The National. I think it was pretty low for them though, it was all for publicity, it was very rude and inappropriate, and their reasons for the protest sounded pretty BS to me. That's pretty much their thing, though, here and in the US. It's a racist organization which provides an outlet for Blacks who despise White people to act out and bully people without being arrested. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 The BLM movement reminds me of the Black Panthers who were organized in 1966 in the USA... ....and "Gay Pride" parades were first organized just a few years later...in the USA. Economics trumps Virtue.
Moonlight Graham Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 Looking at comments on CBC News it looks like people aren't happy with BLM on this, including a lot of gay and normally "progressive" folks. Hey BLM, in the immortal words of Ice Cube: "You better check yo self before you wreck yo self." "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Big Guy Posted July 4, 2016 Report Posted July 4, 2016 In about 4 weeks Toronto will host the Caribana festival and parade. I am looking forward to seeing about 20 white LGBT protesters marching into the road, sitting down and refusing the parade to continue until they get the organizers to sign off on concessions to the LGBT community. Would that not be a fair tactic. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Boges Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Posted July 5, 2016 In about 4 weeks Toronto will host the Caribana festival and parade. I am looking forward to seeing about 20 white LGBT protesters marching into the road, sitting down and refusing the parade to continue until they get the organizers to sign off on concessions to the LGBT community. Would that not be a fair tactic. Would be called racist.
kimmy Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 I am looking forward to seeing about 20 white LGBT protesters marching into the road, sitting down and refusing the parade to continue until they get the organizers to sign off on concessions to the LGBT community. yeaaaaahhh except they'd get their asses stomped. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 Why the surprise. It took a slaughter in Orlando to remove Queers Against Israeli Apartheid from the parade. Are you sure? This article seems to indicate that Queers Against Israeli Apartheid disbanded over a year ago. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 First they exclude CAFE, now they exclude police. What is CAFE? SJWs have hijacked the pride parade. It is a political organization/event now. I think that historically the Pride parade has always been a political event, and its very nature is inherently SJW-oriented. Black Lives Matter had a little sympathy from me when they first organized and tried to bring attention to their initial cause - inequality of income of blacks. I support any group the right to protest - to a point. Stand between me and where I am legally allowed to go and want to go then be prepared for a confrontation. (...) Watching the parade, the BLM sit down and the rhetoric of the spokespersons has turned me off whatever their cause could be.. The final nail in the coffin for me was the raised fist (The old Black Panthers salute) by some of the members of the sit-in. By acceding to their demands, the parade organizers have taught these folks that their tactics work. I believe that Black Lives Matter started in response to police violence against black people. Other than that, I agree with what you're saying. Initially, I was on board. But it quickly devolved from its original focus into an ongoing temper-tantrum. I started a thread a while back on the subject... as with the Occupy protests, whatever point it originally had got lost as it turned into just a vehicle for angry people to lash out. Roughing up a white student in a library whose only crime was trying to study while being white was bad enough... but blocking an ambulance from taking someone to the hospital is the point of no return. These activists are now actively sabotaging their own cause and whatever goodwill it had. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
-1=e^ipi Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 What is CAFE? The Canadian Association for Equality. its very nature is inherently SJW-oriented. No, it's historically and inherently egalitarian-oriented, not SJW-oriented.
jacee Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) First they exclude CAFE, ...CAFE:https://godlessfeminist.wordpress.com/tag/gary-mchale/ Although Aryan Guard is supposedly officially defunct, it has reared its ugly head in the form of a racist far-right political organization known as the Canadian Association for Free Expression (CAFE) which was founded by prominent radical right-wing politician and Stormfront/White Pride member Paul Fromm Hmm ... I can certainly understand why they didn't want NeoNazis to march in the Gay Pride parade: https://www.ushmm.org/learn/students/learning-materials-and-resources/homosexuals-victims-of-the-nazi-era/persecution-of-homosexuals An estimated 1.2 million men were homosexuals in Germany in 1928. Between 1933-45, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, and of these, some 50,000 officially defined homosexuals were sentenced. Most of these men spent time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of the total sentenced were incarcerated in concentration camps. . Edited July 5, 2016 by jacee
Boges Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Posted July 5, 2016 CAFE: https://godlessfeminist.wordpress.com/tag/gary-mchale/ Although Aryan Guard is supposedly officially defunct, it has reared its ugly head in the form of a racist far-right political organization known as the Canadian Association for Free Expression (CAFE) which was founded by prominent radical right-wing politician and Stormfront/White Pride member Paul Fromm Hmm ... I can understand why they didn't want NeoNazis to march in the Gay Pride parade: https://www.ushmm.org/learn/students/learning-materials-and-resources/homosexuals-victims-of-the-nazi-era/persecution-of-homosexuals An estimated 1.2 million men were homosexuals in Germany in 1928. Between 1933-45, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, and of these, some 50,000 officially defined homosexuals were sentenced. Most of these men spent time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of the total sentenced were incarcerated in concentration camps. . GODWINED!!!!
-1=e^ipi Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Jacee, you are mixing up two separate groups. The Canadian Association for Equality is not the same as the Canadian Association for Free Expression. I was referring to the Canadian Association for Equality. Edited July 5, 2016 by -1=e^ipi
cybercoma Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 GODWINED!!!! You know that Godwin's Law doesn't actually pertain to arguments where you're dealing with actual scumbag racists, right?
cybercoma Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) Jacee, Euler isn't talking about the neo-nazi group, he's talking about deluded Men's Rights Activists. You know, the ones who say that men face so many hardships, yet spend all of their time tearing down women, feminists, and SJWs instead of actually doing anything to benefit men. Edited July 5, 2016 by cybercoma
jacee Posted July 5, 2016 Report Posted July 5, 2016 Jacee, you are mixing up two separate groups. The Canadian Association for Equality is not the same as the Canadian Association for Free Expression. I was referring to the Canadian Association for Equality. There's some overlap. But you might want to clarify in future. .
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